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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/27/2008 12:00:20 PM   
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I agree with some.  Despite the inconvenience it would cause(of cutting a visit short) I would have said that the situation (his ability to care for his own living quarters) was a big turn off within a first few minutes.  Maybe staying (to play?) was the bad idea from the get-go.  Not to mention being on e-bay, he could/should have notified her beforehand that he will be doing that during her visit.

A good host? No.  A good host doesn't expect ANY guest to enjoy a visit in squalor.

Submissiveness has little to do with it, good or bad. Having regard for her own health and sanity does. 

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/27/2008 12:17:20 PM   
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I wouldn't have gone to visit in the first place if I wasn't sure I still liked him.

Beyond that, I would have gotten a motel room and said I would meet him for dinner but I'm not a free housekeeper and it was wrong to get me there for that purpose. Oh yeah, I would also have found the phone book and given him the page with cleaning services for him to call.

But selfish? Not especially. Not terribly mature because she accepted it even when she felt bad about it, whereas she should have spoken up immediately.

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/27/2008 12:18:59 PM   
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To test the waters of attration and compatability, the submissive went to visit the dom, this time at his home.  The submissive was told that his place was a mess, that he hadnt done much to it since Jan when he had heart surgery. Not a problem she said.

When she arrived, to  put it mildly, she had never seen anything like it. She herself was not an immaculate or even great housekeeper espeically living by herself...but this was awfull. She couldnt even begin to describe it. Ok, so she thought she could handle it. This was Monday afternoon.

Wednesday afternoon he went to the store and while he was gone she packed her bag and left. It suddenly had all closed in on her, making her physically sick.


Heart surgery often leads to deep depression - sounds like that was / is the state he's in. The squalor and filth as well as the incessant online purchases are symptomatic.

I have zero sympathy for outright cowardice. I don't respect it. She could have handled it much better. If he was, as you indicate in a later post, verbally abusive, etc., then she was a fool for having gone to his house for more potential abuse.

But ... she isn't me and I'm not her. She did what she did - it's in the past now - so any opinions posted here are obviously moot.


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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/27/2008 12:23:40 PM   
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ok...this is ringing a bell now

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/27/2008 12:43:39 PM   
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personally, i wouldn't have given a second thought to going to see someone i didn't feel i was compatable with anymore, let alone to their house; to me, that's not 'testing the waters', that's more like, trying to see if i wanted to live with them or not, or spinning my wheels for no apparent reason.

if i did like him and wanted to visit him at his house, and he had just had open-heart surgery, the last thing i would expect is for his house to be clean or for him to do any strenuous activity, so spending his time at a computer is a good way to avoid it...

i would also be smart enough to know that whatever he chooses to spend his money on is not my business!

if i was there and couldn't stand the way the place looked but liked him, then i would have taken the time and elbow grease to get his home in order; it's not like it was something he should/could be doing after such an operation...

and,  i certainly wouldn't up and leave when he was gone, whether i liked him or not; that's just fucking rude and bullshit!  i'm a big girl and have no problem telling people how i feel!

now if you think i'm being judgemental or talking out my ass, then that's fine, but i can tell you right now, i experienced such a person at his house, not long after his lung transplant, and i got off my ass and did whatever i could to be helpfull and i certainly didn't expect him to do anything but be cordial to me!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/29/2008 11:03:35 AM   
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Where in her posts did she say the dom was using her to clean house? Or even expected her or wanted her to clean house. I live in an utter pigstye, and I would invite friends over knowing it's a pigstye, but I wouldn't be expecting them to clean it up for me by way of inviting them over. And I've had a domme friend who lived in utter filth cause her fibromyalgia, and when she invited me to come over or spend nights over, it was never her intention to get me to clean house.
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I wouldn't have gone to visit in the first place if I wasn't sure I still liked him.

Beyond that, I would have gotten a motel room and said I would meet him for dinner but I'm not a free housekeeper and it was wrong to get me there for that purpose. Oh yeah, I would also have found the phone book and given him the page with cleaning services for him to call.

But selfish? Not especially. Not terribly mature because she accepted it even when she felt bad about it, whereas she should have spoken up immediately.

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/29/2008 11:21:32 AM   
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WEll there is such a thing as professional maid services that will come out and clean your house for you. So if you can afford that and still chose to live in squalor after heart surgury I wouldn't pity the person. I wouldn't help them either. because my efforts to clean up and be helpful would be wasted, in another month or so they'll be in more squalor than before.

Now, if he couldn't afford to pay a person to come in and honestly wanted out of the squalor and couldn't because he was sick then I would help out. And I have helped out in those cases.
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ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

personally, i wouldn't have given a second thought to going to see someone i didn't feel i was compatable with anymore, let alone to their house; to me, that's not 'testing the waters', that's more like, trying to see if i wanted to live with them or not, or spinning my wheels for no apparent reason.

if i did like him and wanted to visit him at his house, and he had just had open-heart surgery, the last thing i would expect is for his house to be clean or for him to do any strenuous activity, so spending his time at a computer is a good way to avoid it...


if i was there and couldn't stand the way the place looked but liked him, then i would have taken the time and elbow grease to get his home in order; it's not like it was something he should/could be doing after such an operation...



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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/29/2008 11:30:16 AM   
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This was posted before I read the 'revised edition' of this story. I had gotten as far as OmegaG's post when I wrote mine, so this is based only upon the original information given. I don't feel like re-writing it for a different scenario so keep that in mind please.

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I had a friend once who lost control of her house.  I found out because she'd asked me to babysit one day when she was in a bind.  Yes, her house was worse then I could imagine, every dish was out on flat spaces and dirty, there were piles of trash here and there throughout her apartment and there was no sign of organization.

It made me feel closed in and clausterphobic and yes, I felt physically ill.  I chose to act rather then sit and dwell so I went into the kitchen and started doing dishes.  By the time she came home, I'd done about half.  You can't imagine how grateful she was, she had gotten just so overwhelmed that she could not see anyway to get control, she could find a starting point and anytime she tried to take action she'd get pulled in so many directions that she'd get nothing accomplished.

Buying is another sign of feeling overwhelmed.

I guess that I'd take a stab at helping him and seeing if he'd respond well to that and if once managable if he'd slob it up again or maintain the clean before I *poofed*.


I was bedridden for a nearly two years starting one month after my divorce. My house fell apart and became a disaster because I physically couldn't do it. Eventually I became so embarrassed I stopped having friends over.

It took me a full year and a half later to get my house to the point it is now, and it still needs work.

If I had explained to someone that I'd been sick and my house was a wreck, and that someone came in knowing that I would be devastated if they snuck out without a word.

It is not easy being ill and watching stuff pile up. Things that go uncleaned and the way it all just seems to take over the house. It is depressing, humiliating and just plain awful. I cannot even imagine how much worse I would feel if someone copped out in that manner.

OP, you say he tried to be a good host but apparently 'she' was not a good person. I think it was rude and hurtful behavior. Jeez how could someone not even say goodbye or sorry it wasn't working? Tacky is another word that fits.

If I sound harsh it is because I've literally been there and crap.. I am still there to a degree, trying so damned hard on my own to get things done when the physical resource is not there.

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/29/2008 1:30:54 PM   
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She said the operation was almost 7 months ago. I can understand everyones position actually. Maybe they just live differently. Personally, i would have felt obligated to clean while there. To help. I wouldnt have liked it nor would i've wanted to return as it sets a clear precedence of He spends his time online while she spends time managing the household. Had he been friendly and welcoming, making an effort to pay attention to her and be a good host, then it could've been workable.
I would've left with a goodbye unless the situation was just so vile in every way escape was more important than the relationship.

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/29/2008 2:14:19 PM   
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this one feels you must do what is right for you   but this one would had talked to Him about it before leaveing  repectfully littlewolfe

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/29/2008 2:33:34 PM   
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YhMa, if he could afford to buy more stuff on EBay than his place can hold, he could afford a cleaning service for one time. And although the discussion of her cleaning his place didn't come up, I'll put money on it that he thought this was part of her submissive service.

Beyond that, hoarding is a disease. Impossible to cure, and when people talk to the hoarders what they get in return is abuse. The most famous case if of the Collier Brothers. Look it up.

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/29/2008 5:25:35 PM   
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I know that hoarding can be a disease. There was a w*oman who was a hoarder an she saved the body of her dead cat in the fridge cause she couldn't bear to get rid of poor ol kity
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YhMa, if he could afford to buy more stuff on EBay than his place can hold, he could afford a cleaning service for one time. And although the discussion of her cleaning his place didn't come up, I'll put money on it that he thought this was part of her submissive service.

Beyond that, hoarding is a disease. Impossible to cure, and when people talk to the hoarders what they get in return is abuse. The most famous case if of the Collier Brothers. Look it up.

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/29/2008 5:34:11 PM   
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ok, I'm owned and operated by the Cats..but EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWw

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RE: visit gone bad? - 6/30/2008 8:28:26 PM   
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When i was new to this whole D/s thing, i allowed myself to have a serious lapse in judgement and agreed to meet a man i had only spoken to on the phone at a hotel. He pulled me into the room, blindfolded me and soon i found the reason for his eye restriction and blindfolding.....he had neglected, in our conversations to mention he was covered in psoriasis. He also had ED from his diabetes. (hadn't told me about the diabetes) SO he withheld some seriously important info about himself. The psoriasis i might have gotten by had he not demanded full body rub downs....ick ick ick....uhhhh NO! Yeesh.....

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