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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 7/5/2008 8:07:41 PM   
XaviersXian


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greetings to all,

It means that i am property.  Master's will (and direction for me) is the one i execute as my own.

well wishes,

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 7/6/2008 5:13:55 AM   
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Hi all,

To me, the definition of slave is not defined by the woman in the relationship (i.e. she is because she says it or defines it or determines what it is, i think this is counter active and productiive to the concept as a whole) but by the Man.  To me its not a practice of consentuality as most see it -- although its not illegalities of non-consent as many people look at it either.  Its a concept of will and determination and reactions and yes the taking of autonomy in a combination that goes far beyond a woman self-determining her life because its a Man's determination and execution that creates the lack of self-governing in the woman's existance on the very primal level.   A woman is a slave because he has made her one through his determination and not only declaration but his actions of mastering and enslaving to hold her in slavery based on his expectations and standards because of who he is (not who she is) and his beliefs and perceptions of the world around him (not her beliefs and perceptions of what she does), the way he has held and kept her allows her to acknowledge a concept within her of realizing that her existance is for the pleasure of others.   BTW, if a woman is not susceptible to slave within her -- i don't believe a Man can accomplish this with such a woman.  A Man through his determination, his ability to master and enslave will compel slave from the woman and her reactions to him will be beyond her control as slave, which allows him to create the enslavement and mastery she exists within.  Which is why i believe, its beyond the concept of consent and illegalities many want to make it.   Until such time that a woman is mastered and enslaved and the declaration is made by the Man and he then utilizes himself to hold her in slavery and takes her autonomy -- i do not believe a woman is a slave but instead a self-determining woman, which a slave cannot be.   I do however, believe a woman can acknowledge slave within her -- the essence, the understanding of her reactions to men - especially if she has been a slave mastered and enslaved, but i do not believe a woman is a slave until such time her autonomy is taken through the mastery and enslavement and determination of how she will exist in a Man's life by the Man.    If a Man cannot accomplish that and the woman is self-determining or holding herself in what she deems is "correct" self-mastery to be a slave she is self-determining, to me then the point has been missed.

Not many people "like" my definition because it isn't the concept of consent and many want to jump on it with the indignities of the consent arguments that many hold on to with both hands fisted around it lol, but in the end, if your relationship works then it shouldn't matter what others define it as.  If you feel right in your relationship and you are fulfilled, then all in all, it doesn't matter if others define it differently than you do.

angel

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 7/6/2008 1:09:38 PM   
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I am a bit curious; as we mark what we are, think we are, know we are when we sign up to CM.
 
From the sound of things thus far, it has been within the context of everyone’s various relationships that have defined their slavery.
 
But what about before this time?
 
Did you sense anything about yourself, know anything about yourself, or simply consider yourself submissive?
 
I kind of am seeing a repetitive point here, this is why I am asking…
 
Thank you
Most Sincerely
jade
 

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 7/6/2008 1:47:39 PM   
leakylee


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ok i didnt read all the responses. to me it relates to ownership. it also is the last position i served in. i am not a 'slave' any longer, but call me a romantic i dont really know what else to slap on there. slavemissive??

honestly though, with him it meant brain warping property ownership. suited me fine.

smooches
lee

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 7/6/2008 1:58:14 PM   
cillydom


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its the subbies desire to be a slave that makes her so

its the slaves desire for a master that makes him so

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 7/6/2008 3:27:56 PM   
jade01


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Can't find a shaking head emoticon...so imagine it..please?

Quote: its the subbies desire to be a slave that makes her so.
Tt's the slaves desire for a master that makes him so

OK, now I am so confused, and after I went and changed slave to sub too...lol.

I always felt that it was what a person felt within their heart and soul as a being...Not really having to do with ownership or not, though true, I am seeing the point of what everyone else is saying here.

It is one of those 'the heck with it moments!' and do as one feels is right for themselves, not follow everyone else.

I appologize, this is not meant to be mean, just trying to stop being so passive right now, and make my own decisions.

Not that I can't, mind you, simply a bit out of it presently.

Simcerely
jade

Edited for spelling errors


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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 7/6/2008 3:41:45 PM   
cillydom


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without someone to master, you cant be a master

you can submit to a rock. you can wait for it to request something, though youll be waiting a while

you can be submissive to just about anyone wether they realize it or not

the foundation of any master/slave relationship is the slaves willingness to submit, without that, theres nothing

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RE: Beiing a Slave? - 7/7/2008 6:15:12 AM   
VioletAshes


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To me 'slave' entails giving up your rights. Not your desires, but your rights to them. Giving yourself completely over to someone else to decide what is best for you.
 
This is an outsider opinion though, I do not consider myself a slave. I don't think I could give up my god given right to eat chocolate icecream whenever I so desire

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