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Termyn8or -> How the world works (6/28/2008 6:31:52 PM)
Does anyone really know ? Who knew that Saddam was about to change over to. euros. How many of you know that was the real impetus for the invasion of Iraq ? Who knew about the letter from JFK to David Ben-Gurion threatening to cut off all US aud if Israel did not abandon it's nuclear ambitions ? That's the one that got him killed. And because the US was all of the sudden pro Jew, explain to me why months earlier when Hitler wanted to just deport them, the President of the US refused to accept them. Why ? Because it is all part of a master plan, and it has been going on for five thousand years. To some people it does not matter how worthless the money is, as long as it is flowing in the proper direction. When will people wake up and see this, when it is to fucking late ? Let me tell you, that time is alot closer than most people think. When I see a rich Man, I stand in what looks like awe, but it is not, it is knowing that he did not get ther by being nice, at that time I am being careful. Do others not see this, are you fucking blind or something ? How can you not be able to concieve this ? Does anyione else see it this way ? Or am I alone ? T

Owner59 -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 6:36:11 PM)
Oh Jesus.....

Thadius -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 6:38:27 PM)
Where are the tinfoil hat dispensers?

cjan -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 6:39:09 PM)
snort

Raechard -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 6:39:42 PM)
If it's been going on for five thousand years, I don't have to worry because for all I know the culmination of this evil master plan you speak of is in a thousand years time.

Termyn8or -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 6:57:11 PM)
Four blind mice so far. T

kittinSol -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 6:58:28 PM)
(Nevermind.)

Thadius -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:04:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Four blind mice so far. T Just because somebody doesn't see things from the same point of view as you, does not make them blind. One or both sides might have a better vantage, or perhaps even an obstructed view. Let's also not forget about those that look at the world through their own oddly shaped prisms.

cyberdude611 -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:13:43 PM)
The theory that Saddam was going to change over to Euros and that's why the US invaded is bogus simply because it wouldnt make any difference. Iraq's contribution to the world oil market is minute compared to other US allies in the mid-east like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait who are strongly against any change in currency (because they know they need the US to contain Iran and Syria). OPEC is also strongly against a change in currency and basically told Iran and Venezuela to shut up about changing. Many countries (like Russia and even Japan) have already changed some of their reserves to Euros and that didnt have all that much impact on the world markets. And that has more to do with trying to make a quick profit or insuring their own reserves than anything else. The Euro currency is inflated due to the weak dollar and it's already creating a problem with European exports. The French have been sounding that alarm for a few years now. If the Euro were to ever start going down, people will be running (not walking), running back to the dollar.

jlf1961 -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:16:37 PM)
quote: Does anyone really know ? Who knew that Saddam was about to change over to. euros. How many of you know that was the real impetus for the invasion of Iraq ? For Saddam to change to Euros, Iraq would have had to be a member if the EU, which was never going to happen since he tortured and executed his own people, used chemical weapons on his own people, and had many times called for the destruction of Europe and all western countries. But feel free to believe what you wish. quote: Who knew about the letter from JFK to David Ben-Gurion threatening to cut off all US aud if Israel did not abandon it's nuclear ambitions ? That's the one that got him killed. JFK authorized the sale of nuclear material and the necessary equipment for the enrichment of uranium to Israel. Be stupid for him to change his mind. However, I think you have failed to remember the Cuban missle crisis, he forced the Soviets to back down, and if you would further remember, Lee Harvey Oswald had defected to the Soviet Union then changed his mind. quote: And because the US was all of the sudden pro Jew, explain to me why months earlier when Hitler wanted to just deport them, the President of the US refused to accept them. You mean the so called ship of the damned, which no country would accept. The fact is that the US as well as other countries suspected the ship to also be carrying Nazi operatives and since no passports or provable paperwork was provided with these refugees, no one was willing to take the chance. quote: Why ? Because it is all part of a master plan, and it has been going on for five thousand years. Five thousand years? Okay, what group of people have had that kind of dedication? Considering that recorded history only goes back a total of 6000 years. quote: To some people it does not matter how worthless the money is, as long as it is flowing in the proper direction. To some people it doesnt matter who has what as long as they get their share and when they cant they look for someone to blame. quote: When will people wake up and see this, when it is to fucking late ? Let me tell you, that time is alot closer than most people think. Again, what group, what is this master plan, and what is the final outcome supposed to be. quote: When I see a rich Man, I stand in what looks like awe, but it is not, it is knowing that he did not get ther by being nice, at that time I am being careful. When I see a rich man I figure A) he inheritated it, B) worked his ass off to earn it, C) involved in profitable illegal activaties. quote: Do others not see this, are you fucking blind or something ? How can you not be able to concieve this ? I can concieve a lot of things, but some international consparacy involving the complete take over of the world is a bit far fetched, unless of course you mean by my direct commanders from beyond Spica. And the only reason they want to take over is to stop the constant transmission of reality tv into the cosmos. quote: Does anyione else see it this way ? I am still trying to understand how YOU see it this way. However, considering the number of consparacy theories, alledged shadow organizations, secret societies etc. it does make it difficult to understand which theory people follow. quote: Or am I alone ? Unfortunately, you are not alone, but being paranoid is not a crime nor can you be arrested for it. Besides, we have you under constant surveilence and if you get too close, you will be removed to a safe location. How does Miami Beach sound, or maybe Tahiti?

kittinSol -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:32:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: Does anyone really know ? Who knew that Saddam was about to change over to. euros. How many of you know that was the real impetus for the invasion of Iraq ? For Saddam to change to Euros, Iraq would have had to be a member if the EU, No, it is because Iraq started trading oil for Euros, mightily pissing off the United States. Nothing to do with Iraq not being a member of the European Union. The extract below comes from an article that was written in '03, shortly before the war on Iraq started: quote: It is about the currency used to trade oil and consequently, who will dominate the world economically, in the foreseeable future -- the USA or the European Union. Iraq is a European Union beachhead in that confrontation. America had a monopoly on the oil trade, with the US dollar being the fiat currency, but Iraq broke ranks in 1999, started to trade oil in the EU's euros, and profited. If America invades Iraq and takes over, it will hurl the EU and its euro back into the sea and make America's position as the dominant economic power in the world all but impregnable. Global Policy Forum

Thadius -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:38:23 PM)
I think you meant 2003, not 1993. There was alot of other posturing going on at the time by the Iraqi regime, like the change in the national flag (going from the secular flag to containing Islamic quotes). I believe much of it was done, in the belief that it was an insurance policy against being invaded. Just my opinions though.

kittinSol -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:41:25 PM)
Correct, big 'Duh!' for me. Went and edited. Thank you.

farglebargle -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:46:40 PM)
quote: For Saddam to change to Euros, Iraq would have had to be a member if the EU, More like, Oil is now 15 EUR a barrel folks. Stop using your worthless USD.... And hey... Look at that... The USD is worthless!

Thadius -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:47:09 PM)
Actually you missed it again... You write "The extract below comes from an article that was written in '93, shortly before the war on Iraq started:" '93 would have been after the Desert Storm, Desert Shield war on Iraq.

kittinSol -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:48:18 PM)
When one starts to get their decades mixed-up... [8D].

Thadius -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:49:39 PM)
Or even confusing on which war on Iraq... I know the feeling.[8\|]

kittinSol -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:50:35 PM)
Too many wars. PS: and anyway... by '93, wasn't it Waco that was in the news?

jlf1961 -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 7:58:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol No, it is because Iraq started trading oil for Euros around '99, mightily pissing off the United States. Nothing to do with Iraq not being a member of the European Union. The extract below comes from an article that was written in '93, shortly before the war on Iraq started: quote: It is about the currency used to trade oil and consequently, who will dominate the world economically, in the foreseeable future -- the USA or the European Union. Iraq is a European Union beachhead in that confrontation. *America had a monopoly on the oil trade, with the US dollar being the fiat currency, but Iraq broke ranks in 1999, started to trade oil in the EU's euros, and profited.* If America invades Iraq and takes over, it will hurl the EU and its euro back into the sea and make America's position as the dominant economic power in the world all but impregnable. Global Policy Forum Kitten, for that article to have been written in 93, the author would have had to be precognitent, something I doubt very seriously. And the claim that the article was written shortly before the war started, is again questionable. Furthermore, the claim in the article that the US provided Iraq with chemical weapons is again false, if not an outright lie. In response to the treaty that put strict controls on chemical and biological weapons, the United States has always opened all storage facitilities to foreign inspection by the Swiss who agreed to conduct such inspections when the original treaty was made with the soviet union. The reports are public information. quote: Russia is in deep economic trouble and knows it will get worse the day America starts exploiting its take-over of Afghanistan by running a pipeline southwards via Afghanistan from the giant southern Caspian oil fields. Currently, that oil is piped northwards -- where Russia has control. In order to actually do this, the United States would have to take over the Caspian Oilfields. Although, the fact that five US contractors made major upgrades to said pipeline in recent years at the request of Russian government in return for oil exports to be specified at a later date "when the Russian economy is stable enough that such exports would not cause undue hardships on the Russian people." By the way, that means that when the Russians can export the oil without half their population freezing to death. And perhaps you have forgotten that biggest importer of American Grain is Russia, and the US government is subsidizing the grain farmers so that the grain can be sold to Russia at a much lower cost than to the rest of the world market. Now, I will not stand and claim the US is perfect. However, I will say that the claim that the US is the source of all the world's economic, political and social ills is going a bit far. That would mean that the US would have to have control of the world markets, the world currency, the majority of the people on the planet, and be in direct control of the majority of the world leaders.

kittinSol -> RE: How the world works (6/28/2008 8:05:31 PM)
Yes, I typed '93 instead of '03 - it shows that I have early onset of Alzheimer's disease, or at least that my typing skills are going down the bog. Thadius already pointed it out.

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