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shadowcd -> transgendered (6/28/2008 9:46:01 PM)

This I guess came up the other day when someone asked me if I was transgendered,   I thought it a strange question and responded no I can't be I've never had any sort of operation.   I must admit I don't know that much about the subject.    She then said well that's not always necessary and asked me if i could would I be a women if there was no strings attached no money involved and my family wouldn't care.  

Of course my answer was yes I didn't even need to think about it.    I identify as female though due to various issues with family and friends and such I keep this part of my life hiden from them.    I am very feminine and that's something I can't hide,  my family bugs me about it which is why I don't tell them anything else.   

This is a fairly recent idea that has been presented to me that I am actually transgendered and suppose there has always been conflict inside me about this.    I am strongly female in the way I think and the things I like I always have been,  however I do have several male tendencies still, and just thought of my self as a crossdresser that wished to be female.

I am curious what other people think on this subject, in particular what is the common opinion on what separates a crossdresser from a transgender and at what point you cross that line into being transgendered.




ServingGirrl -> RE: transgendered (6/28/2008 9:54:34 PM)

Hi Shadow,
"Transgender" is an umbrella term that was first used in the early 1970's by Virginia (Charles) Prince, a well known crossdresser who lives full time as a woman.   It is used - wrongly, in the minds of many people - to include the entire spectrum of gender variant people including crossdressers, drag queens and kings, transsexuals, intersexuals (of which i am one; we're the ones born with bits of both sexes) and people who are androgenous or gender-neutral.

The problem with such a wide 'umbrella' is that it tries to make all members of the group equal and this overlooks the reality that each subset of the group may have different issues.   For example, an intersexed person like me requires reconstructive surgery to be of either sex, a transsexed person may choose surgery to be of the sex they know themselves to be, a crossdresser rarely sees and need for any surgery at all and so on.   Each group has different needs and should be given the respect their individual conditions demand.

As a crossdresser, if you wish to consider yourself Transgendered then you have every right to do so; most people would see the two terms as synonymous in any case.   Most important of all, be happy and be yourself and forget the labels society demands we impose on ourselves.

Blessings and good luck




shadowcd -> RE: transgendered (6/28/2008 10:49:30 PM)

thank you for the clarity on this, though I myself don't need a label for what I am.  I find it easier to explain things to others if I have some sort of label that makes sence to them.    I have the same issue with my spiritual beliefs as well as no real known term suits that either.     

I generally consider myself female, though due to various reasons hide this aspect of myself :(    I use to consider myself a crossdresser but I have a stronger and stronger desire to be completly female even though surgery is not what I consider an option at this point in my life.  

I suppose really what I'm looking for in terms of "labels" is the best idea to describ myself to someone that doesnt' know me.   So far I think transgendered seems to describ myself much better then simply crossdresser due to my strong sence of  being female.  I suppose I am a bit at war within myself over this as I have no wish to cause disruptions and drama amoung my friends and family.




candystripper -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 1:46:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: shadowcd

This I guess came up the other day when someone asked me if I was transgendered,   I thought it a strange question and responded no I can't be I've never had any sort of operation.   I must admit I don't know that much about the subject.    She then said well that's not always necessary and asked me if i could would I be a women if there was no strings attached no money involved and my family wouldn't care.  

Of course my answer was yes I didn't even need to think about it.    I identify as female though due to various issues with family and friends and such I keep this part of my life hiden from them.    I am very feminine and that's something I can't hide,  my family bugs me about it which is why I don't tell them anything else.   

This is a fairly recent idea that has been presented to me that I am actually transgendered and suppose there has always been conflict inside me about this.    I am strongly female in the way I think and the things I like I always have been,  however I do have several male tendencies still, and just thought of my self as a crossdresser that wished to be female.

I am curious what other people think on this subject, in particular what is the common opinion on what separates a crossdresser from a transgender and at what point you cross that line into being transgendered.



This isn't asubject I know very much about. I have tv and tg friends but I haven't asked them a lot of personal questions and I dount any one-size-fits-all answers really exist.  
  
As to what little I know: 
 
* A tv is a person who conducts their whole life -- or most of it -- as a member of the opposite sex. It involves much more than cross-dressing.  A tv may have any sexual orientation -- they are not always gay or bi. 
 
* A tg is a tv who has had sex-reassignment surgery, or at least is preparing to do so.
 
* A cd is a person, usually male, who has a 'kink' or 'fetish' for dressing as a member of the opposite sex.  This has no bearing at all on their sexual orientation. Not all cds -- probably not even many cds -- are gay or even bi.  I think there are fewer female cds simply because women have been wearing pants, etc. without anyone raising an eyebrow for quite some time now.
 
Hope this helps.  I certainly wouldn't make any decisions based on amateur information on these boards. I'd go get some reliable info, maybe from a kink-friendly MD or therapist.  If you've been contented with your life till now, a stray comment from someone shouldn't rattle you.
 
candystripper




shadowcd -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 1:56:45 AM)

that is more the traditional view i guess though i'm not sure I aggree with it so much anymore.     I view myself as well beyond a cd, yet due to the conflicts it would create can not go beyond that in my public life :(     I would defintily have gender reasignment but have no plans for it lol.   I guess as far as "intentions" go I would be TG   but as for the actual application CD    somewhere in the middle i guess is what I am :P




Vendaval -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 2:01:27 AM)

Hello shadowcd,
 
Wikipedia has a collection of definitions on this subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender

If you scroll down the page and look on the right side you will find the list of related terms.

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mefisto69 -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 3:02:58 AM)

Barbara Walters did a segment (20/20) a few nights ago on transgendered children. Very well done, informative and respectful. I'm sure there would be a link to the online segment on whichever network carries 20/20 in your area.




stella41b -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 3:35:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

This isn't asubject I know very much about. I have tv and tg friends but I haven't asked them a lot of personal questions and I dount any one-size-fits-all answers really exist.

As to what little I know:




I'm actually a transgendered female.

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper
* A tv is a person who conducts their whole life -- or most of it -- as a member of the opposite sex. It involves much more than cross-dressing. A tv may have any sexual orientation -- they are not always gay or bi.




A TV is generally a male who for reasons of sexual or emotional fulfillment chooses to wear clothes of the opposite sex and take on the identity partially or entirely of a woman. They usually identify themselves as male (except when dressed) and have no wish to change their bodies or become female. Some may suffer from a condition known as gender dysphoria. Dysphoria is a Greek word meaning 'unhappiness' hence the condition is unhappiness with one's gender.

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper
* A tg is a tv who has had sex-reassignment surgery, or at least is preparing to do so.


Transgendered is an umbrella term which can take in anyone from a male crossdresser to a female with an abnormal DNA pattern, a chimera or a hermaphrodite. This includes people of both genders, women who suffer from Turner's Syndrome, men who suffer from Klienfelter's Syndrome, transsexuals (both male to female and female to male) and people suffering from mosaicism (people who have two different DNA patterns or a pattern which 'shifts' or changes) and individuals suffering from Harry Benjamin Syndrome.

It's important to understand that gender dysphoria in itself is not an illness, not a mental illness, nor is it a kink or a fetish, but rather a condition or symptom which should be taken very seriously and usually indicates a genetic defect or other state where the brain and genetic make up is of one gender, but the physical appearance and karotype (i.e. body shape, bone structure, facial features) is or may be of another gender. It has been established by medical science that gender is encoded in our genes and DNA. Gender dysphoria occurs when someone is born as a particular gender but lacks the primary or secondary physical characteristics for that gender and they are taken as being a member of the opposing gender. This leads to an inner conflict which if untreated can lead to emotional discomfort, anxiety, emotional distress, depression, apathy, sleep disorders, anti-social behaviour and suicidal tendencies.

Sufferers of conditions as Turner's Syndrome, Klienfelter's Syndrome, mosaicism and indeed all transsexuals have the primary physical characteristics of the opposing gender - genitalia and reproductive organs but actually be the gender they claim to be. Puberty and abnormalities in chromosomes and hormone production may lead to these people acquiring their secondary physical characteristics as their body develops - bone structure, skin, patterns of hair growth, in Turner's Syndrome which affects mainly women the voice deepens and there may be excessive body hair, men suffering from Klinefelter's syndrome may retain a feminine voice, develop breasts, those suffering from mosaicism experience a shift in their DNA pattern in late puberty and thus acquire secondary physical characteristics which either confirm or indicate their real gender (someone identifying as 'twospirit' is an example of someone suffering from mosaicism).

The medical profession have established a specific set of criteria for identifying and diagnosing gender dysphoria which may be secondary or primary (moderate or severe) and in many cases sex reassignment surgery is necessary to eradicate gender dysphoria and enable the sufferer to be able to live and function normally in their correct gender. However in some cases surgery is not possible or necessary.

Referring to someone who is actually going through the process of gender reassignment and who is risking blood clots, liver failure and sudden death as a transvestite is at best rather ignorant and stupid and only serves to perpetuate myths which fuels prejudice against such people which can and does actually cause them emotional distress and which some can find offensive, very much to the same degree as a woman would feel if she were referred to as a transvestite.

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

* A cd is a person, usually male, who has a 'kink' or 'fetish' for dressing as a member of the opposite sex. This has no bearing at all on their sexual orientation. Not all cds -- probably not even many cds -- are gay or even bi. I think there are fewer female cds simply because women have been wearing pants, etc. without anyone raising an eyebrow for quite some time now.




I would suggest that a CD is someone who has a 'preference' for wearing clothing of the opposite sex rather than a kink or fetish.

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper
Hope this helps. I certainly wouldn't make any decisions based on amateur information on these boards. I'd go get some reliable info, maybe from a kink-friendly MD or therapist. If you've been contented with your life till now, a stray comment from someone shouldn't rattle you.

candystripper


Any qualified medical practitioner, irrespective of whether they are kink-friendly or not, should be able to give reliable advice, as can transgendered people and organizations themselves. Be sceptical of people who claim to know such people or have reliable information from websites, as most websites tend to be the more pornographic 'chicks with dicks' variety, and many such people tend to confuse their own opinions and preconceived notions with facts.




shadowcd -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 9:01:28 AM)

Stella,  thank you. your definition seems to make the most sense to me.    Also thanks Vendaval for the link and  mafisto69,  I'll have to search for the 20/20 segment.    :)

As for your post stella,
"emotional discomfort, anxiety, emotional distress, depression, apathy, sleep disorders, anti-social behavior and suicidal tendencies"    I have suffered all of these and to some degree still to.    I have become a little more "accepting" of things and no longer have the deep depression I once did so the suicidal and depression no longer effect me.   I guess I have learned to live with my self so to speak.  

I am aware of all the online dictionary terms but really what i was looking for was point of views and opinions on the matter.   Terms and meanings on online dictionarys and such  are lost on me as they tend to be very cold and impersonal, so I don't put much stock in them. 

In some ways I almost don't see myself as crossdressing as I think I should be wearing these clothes normally,   sometimes when I am called a crossdresser i get sad because the times I feel I'm really crossdressing are when I'm wearing mens clothes.     It's not a kink or fetish it's just who I am.   I do not associated with being male at all and also dislike being refereed to as male.   However I have learned to accept it, as "coming out" is terrifying to me.    This is not to say that I completly shun my male parts in sex,  only that I view myself as female with different parts.

Although I think my natural choice in clothes is that of females I still list it as crossdressing cause that seems to be the easiest for people to understand.    So I guess by your definition of TV  that is the least like me, as i do view my self more as female  and would if possible remove all "male" traits preeminently.  

After reading your views on the matter I think I understand a little more clear.    I suppose it may be harder in some ways because I am unwilling at the moment to give up  my male side, not because I like it but because I fear the rejection and ridicule that I am sure will follow from many of my friends and family if i did.   

One day I probably will completely switch to female and I already know I will regret not doing it sooner.   The only time I am really happy is when i am being female with someone that views me as female not just as a guy in a dress, or even just a guy in guy clothes.    Which of course is why I become so submissive in such a situation as I don't want to do anything that may upset them and wish to somehow make them as happy as they make me simply by embracing me as my true self.






faerytattoodgirl -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 9:27:44 AM)

quote:

For example, an intersexed person like me requires reconstructive surgery to be of either sex


yet you are not trans-anything.  you are biologically both with parts from both.  as am i.  i was operated as a baby to be male.  yet female parts still inside.  only the gov't will not see us as both.   they only believe in male or female.

trans=to transform, change..etc..it mplies someone changed from their origional sex.  this is not possible for someone intersexed.  since you are already both sexes in a natural way. even your chromosomes may be different.  xxy for example. 

edit:intersexed babies are not to be touched by surgeons playing god (and performing mal practice which if done today would end the career of that surgeon)when they are born but this is a common practice.  instead intersexed babies are supposed to be left untouched until puberty for when the child can then decide who they are.  they do not suffer GID or any type of trans issue.  all intersexed parts are 100% natural.  it is not the baby's fault when operated on at birth without their knowledge/consent.





shadowcd -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 11:57:12 AM)

A question I guess I would have as the basics have pretty much been outlined.   
I guess a transgendered is someone born into a sex that they don't feel comfortable wish and want to change would the term apply to someone that wishes they could change or simlpy those that are in the process of that change?  I guess really that's where I might get confused, since I consider myself transgendered at least at the moment but am not doing anything about it, other then maybe minor things such as clothes or the way I may do my hair.




stella41b -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 12:48:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: shadowcd

Although I think my natural choice in clothes is that of females I still list it as crossdressing cause that seems to be the easiest for people to understand. So I guess by your definition of TV that is the least like me, as i do view my self more as female and would if possible remove all "male" traits preeminently.

After reading your views on the matter I think I understand a little more clear. I suppose it may be harder in some ways because I am unwilling at the moment to give up my male side, not because I like it but because I fear the rejection and ridicule that I am sure will follow from many of my friends and family if i did.

One day I probably will completely switch to female and I already know I will regret not doing it sooner. The only time I am really happy is when i am being female with someone that views me as female not just as a guy in a dress, or even just a guy in guy clothes. Which of course is why I become so submissive in such a situation as I don't want to do anything that may upset them and wish to somehow make them as happy as they make me simply by embracing me as my true self.



Hi Shadow

This is why I resent the term 'sex change' or 'sex reassignment'. and anyone else who would regard me as male simply because I wasn't born with a pussy. But this is how governments and society on the whole thinks - boys have willies, girls have fannies (UK meaning) and there's no room for abnormalities.

This to me defies logic. Here I mean basic logic. If I was male, why would I ever want to become female? Why am I so determined so as to lose everything I've ever had in my life, to consider suicide, to face up to the abuse, hostility of others, rejection, endure the loneliness, intense emotional suffering, the constant challenges from people, the questioning, etc in order to be seen as female?

Ever considered that I might be telling the truth? I'm writing as someone who has three clear diagnoses from different specialists in Warsaw, Vienna and London. This is why the Gender Recognition Act 2004 in the UK is so important, and why I feel it should be accepted as the standard for gender recognition - a clear diagnosis of 'a long medical history of gender dysphoria'.

If I am living and presenting as myself, happily, as a female, and I have such a diagnosis, why should this be an issue to anyone else? Why should I have to wait until surgery for this fact to be recognised in law?

I mean I don't walk up to a guy and ask him "Are you sure you really want to be a guy?" Do I walk up to a woman and take a long look at her and say "Gee, you look really feminine."? But this is exactly what we transgendered people often have to put up with, all the time.

But you know, I'm not stupid. I don't fall for society's carrot in a stick. I know that once I come out of that operating theatre and they remove the dressing and bandages, and I'm in so much pain I can hardly think, that society's 'think she's female' will only shift so far as 'used to be a man'.

Being female, or male for that matter it's got nothing to do with what clothing you wear, it's got nothing to do with what body parts you may or may not have, it's got everything to do with who you are deep inside as a person.

I'll use myself as an example. I knew I had gender issues way before I had any awareness of BDSM. Ironically my parents wanted a girl, I am the first born, they were expecting a girl, but they were disappointed. Bitterly disappointed, and I took the consequences of that disappointment right through my childhood. My parents wanted me so much my mother dumped me on her parents in Glasgow for the first few years of my life. Even my godmother who was emigrating to Canada wanted to take me with her to Toronto, and I would have gone had my mother not backed out of the deal at the last minute. I spent thirteen years of my life having to deal with the resentment of my parents. I ran away from home at 15, stayed away for some months, returned to finish school at 16, then left two weeks after my 16th birthday for London.

All I've ever wanted in life is a family, to be part of a family. But you know I'm never going to have a baby, not possible, can't even menstruate. I love kids, especially little ones, toddlers, always wanted to raise my own. But it isn't going to happen. I'm 42 in a few weeks, never had a successful meaningful sexual relationship. What does it feel like to be loved, to be able to be intimate with someone? What does it feel like to experience that psychological comfort, that emotional bond, and those physical sensations all together with the person you really love through what can be described as lovemaking? I don't know, I'm still waiting.

This is what brought me into BDSM.. my being female. Much of my emotional need to submit is really only a way of expressing those maternal instincts deep within me. Does this mean a female is inherently submissive? No, it doesn't. It just means that I am female, I am also submissive, these are just two components which together with, say, writing plays, make me the unique person I am. This is how I became a female service submissive with Dommes, I got to clean houses, cook, wash, iron, scrub, I got to make sacrifices, I got to learn how to identify and recognise emotional needs and to instinctively respond to them. I played with men and women experimenting, and ended up preferring women. I learned to submit in the bedroom, we couldn't have sex, but she could still get her needs fulfilled. As long as I got the cuddle and the kiss at the end I was happy. This to me was intimacy, a cuddle and a kiss. I'm still a sucker for vulnerability in a Domme, the less physically attractive ones, the misshapen and older ones, the ones who need love and support just as much as the others.

Through BDSM I found not only myself, but I also found freedom. About twenty six years of my life has been spent lost in fear, anxiety, doubt, confusion, worrying about fitting in, worrying about what others will think and how other people will perceive me. Sure those years did have happy memories, I met some wonderful people, but I had built myself an 'invisible prison' and duly sentenced myself. This term comes from Professor Malinowski, my psychiatrist in Warsaw, the spitting image of Albert Einstein, and he warned me against building my own 'invisible prisons' using the bricks formed of other people's opinions and the locks and keys of their judgments. "Most will just look at you on the outside and walk away," he said, "But others will look at you and see right inside you, and these are the ones who stay and the only ones you should be sharing your life with."

Gender reassignment is tough, it's difficult, not just for the person who's going through it, but also for the other people around them. Everybody walks their own path, follows their own strategy, it can take months, or it can take years. In August I will have been developing a theatre for a year, but will have also been transitioning for ten years. Ewa in Warsaw is 50, her transition took 15 years and two court cases to complete, she's had the operation but she's still not 'out' to her employer or family. Her partner Piotr is post-op transgendered male, 8 years, two and a half years of excruciating pain and infections after surgery. Aleksandra has been transitioning for six years, but cannot get the referral from a psychiatrist for hormones, she's been trying for four years, she hasn't worked for 5 years, lost her flat last March, spent a few weeks homeless and is now living in as someone's housekeeper. Magda at 21 had the support of her parents, she spent six months travelling between Warsaw and Gdansk and this was how long it took her to transition - six months.

I'm not in any hurry.. You see I got the most important body part of a female - the brain. No amount of hormones or surgery is ever going to make me more female than I already am, nor will it ever change the fact that I'm transgendered. I got my strategy, get the headspace worked out, then the life, then go for the physical changes.

The thing is you only have one life, this is it. Gender reassignment takes time and is difficult. I cannot tell you or advise you whether you should go for gender reassignment or not, we don't know each other, I can't get inside your head. All I can do is share with you my life and my experiences, and I would advise you to seek out and do the same with others.

Only you can decide whether you want to live for yourself being completely open and at one with yourself, or you are prepared to compromise and stay as you are for the sake of your life and the people in it. You see I could say go ahead, you only live once, time passes even quicker as you get older and those opportunities may never come back. I could advise you to go ahead and take the risk suggesting that the people in your life will accept you and support you.

But what if they don't? This is about you and who you really are, and perhaps not so much who you should be.

Whatever you decide I wish you all the best and would be inclined to cross my fingers. Be well.

stella.




shadowcd -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 1:15:37 PM)

Stella,
thanks for those thoughts,  it does come down to my wishing to please others in the end and I know that going through surgery or what not may make me happy it will not make many of my family and friends happy and that is what I tend to choose first.    Ever since I was able to talk I have wanted to be female,  I was not the first born I have 3 older sisters,  and in fact my mom did want a boy.   I would dress up when i was young but this was quickly discouraged by my parents as non exceptable.    they had girls they wanted a boy and they would not except anything less.   
But I suppose such is life I do aggree with you that while I may become more physically like a female nothing will make my mind more so then it already is.   I suppose that's why when I am with someone in terms of bdsm play or D/s relationship it is the one aspect of my life I can not sacrifice,  I already give it up for my friends and family I need atleast someone to accept that part of me.




DesFIP -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 3:18:03 PM)

Actually shadow, you might get more support from your family if you were diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Unfortunately a lot of people are more willing to believe something when heard from a doctor, then when it comes from an ordinary person. It will also make life easier for you if you can explain that you aren't doing this to spite them, but your genetic coding, hormonal makeup etc causes this. The way I was born with immature cataracts that required removal at a much younger age than normal, you were born with this.

Your parents may then decide to blame this on smoking while your mother was pregnant, or watching a horror movie or whatever, but at least it will get them off your back.

Oh and Stella, if I haven't told you this lately, you are one of the smartest women I've ever encountered and I wish you only happiness.




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 3:38:18 PM)

quote:

you might get more support from your family if you were diagnosed with gender dysphoria.


chances are...your family already knows from the traits you portray that something is not normal.


quote:

or watching a horror movie or whatever,


silences of the lambs has been used in some articles i read long ago..





BadJezebel -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 4:01:00 PM)

Thank you all so much for these postings.  This is a topic that I know very little about and find very confusing.  When I meet people who fall into the categories of TV/TG/Intersexed, I don't feel that it's sensitive to ask many questions.  These are some wonderfully informative postings that will effect how I see people.  I must admit that I find it easier to be understaning of TG and Intersexed people than TV.  I know I'm running the risk of being inflammatory here, but I just want to hear some responses and learn a little more....  I don't mean to hurt anyone, I just want to learn some more. 




ServingGirrl -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 4:20:24 PM)

There have been some wonderful posts in this thread and it is a pleasure to see so much support - and knowledgable support at that - being offered.

I wasn't "officially" told of my intersexuality until I was 28, by my mother on her death bed.   I had transitioned as a "transsexual" 7 years earlier and still she had not had the courage to tell me, thinking it was "best" that the Doctor's decision remain final and any decision I made years later not be seen as being related to their meddling, even though I had spent my childhood bitterly complaining that God had put me in the wrong body and I was really a girl.   By then though, I had already had genotyping to show I was 47 XXY (Chimera/Mosaic/Hermaphrodite, depending on the era you went through Medical school), had found I still had ovaries and had retrieved my medical records, which included the wonderful quote "...therefore, we have elected to make this child male, on the basis that society has more use for a sterile though otherwise functional male than it does for a sterile and therefore useless female...".   I never raised this with my mother because I had thought SHE must not have known, or she would have discussed it with me.

These days I'm totally and only a woman, no matter what some segments of society would insist on labelling me.   I married a wonderful man, adopted two wonderful children who are now 24 and 21, later discovered I was far more attracted to women and divorced to enter an 11 year relationship with my late partner Trish, remaining on excellent terms with my former husband and my children.   I'm also an activist and advocate who lectures at Medical schools and Universities stressing that being born IS is a physical birth variance and not a gender one and that, as was said in an earlier post, it is ESSENTIAL that the child be left alone until they are old enough to accurately and informedly declare their sex as they experience it.   Medical intervention to support that knowledge of self is then justifiable - to do so without that justification, as was done to me, is ill-informed mutilation of a defenceless child who has their rights totally stripped from them and often, like me, is turned INTO a transsexual through medical ignorance and arrogance.

As the lyrics of a well known Australian song say - "Do what you wanna do, be what you wanna be, yeah"

Yeah~!

Blessings ........... livvi (who is always happy to chat on here  :) )




Emperor1956 -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 4:42:19 PM)

Dear ShadowCD:  It is Pride Day in Chicago.  We just came back from watching the Parade, and having a streetside party.  About 5 miles from me, 350,000 people who all -- one might argue -- have some sort of "gender dysphoria" (and yes, I too hate that connotation) are celebrating who and what they are.  Kinda helps put some things into perspective if all one knows is "there are boys and there are girls, and boys like girls and girls like boys." 

The wisdom of Stella also puts things into good perspective.  Shadow, listen to her.  Listen to Faery, who has intelligence and experience, but watch out as she sometimes is too wrapped up in her anger to get past it (sorry, dear, its true.)    Listen to ServingGrrl (hello there!) who has a life story with lessons.

Do not listen to CandyStripper, and others like her who are so clueless as to confuse terms like "transvestite" and "transgendered" and then give hurtful, wrong advice. 

By way of clarification (inspiration?):  I am a born male, happy to be in said body, with deep friendships among all flavors of gender folk.  It has become "hip" to say "I don't see race" (if Stephen Colbert says it, it must be hip, yes?)  I long for the day when people can say "I don't see gender" or at least "I see it, and I embrace it".

Good luck.

E.




camille65 -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 4:54:06 PM)

Emperor that was a great post.

I've always thought it was strange, the difficulty and confusion with most peoples views towards this subject but I think a huge amount is the labeling.

Despite the many cries of 'do not label me' that are heard throughout not just this site but with people in general I see this as a time when labels help.
And hurt, they hurt a lot when misunderstood and misused.
When that happens the wrong information and stereotypes are encouraged and spread.
When used properly as by those that Emperor already listed, then labels are helpful in understanding the myriad of differences that fall under the label of transgender.




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: transgendered (6/29/2008 5:00:14 PM)

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And hurt, they hurt a lot when misunderstood and misused.
When that happens the wrong information and stereotypes are encouraged and spread.


which is why i always like to correct that intersexed are not transgendered.  even if some of us (like serving girrl and myself) who are intersexed but did not officialy know of our issue until a later time in life.

when i say to someone that im intersexed...they say...oh so your a tranny...i have to explain i am not...it gets tiresome.  but society likes to clump things into the same catagory.  which makes life rough.




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