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RE: Castle law - 7/4/2008 7:11:13 PM   
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peach, I have never heard from someone who could deal with that scenario so logically.

DA, I read what you said, but the fact still remains that more air changes in the passenger compartment of a commercial airliner costs more fuel.

To get on that point for a moment, ever been in a good restaurant ? I mean a really good one ? You can be sitting right next to someone smoking a cigar and you can't smell it. That is because of proper and actually extreme ventilation. In cold or hot seasons it costs more to change the air. That's why your steak is forty bucks instead of twenty.

I don't care about that, I do not go to restaurants anymore. Anything they can make, I can make better. And even when I do order food, I got a place that delivers beer, saving me a trip. I don't fly, I don't want to go anywhere so what do I care.

I have been cross country, most of the way. As far as I am concerned I will just stay here. Everyone I know who went to Florida died except for my Uncle and he is old.

My home is my castle and my roots are strong. I'll shoot anyone I please, but I only please to shoot intruders. My door hasn't been locked in a couple of days and probably won't be until I go back to work on Tuesday. There's money, guns and musical instruments here, but I do not worry. Partly because I got good house insurance and partly because I simply don't care.

The time for me and materialism has passed. I want nothing. I have a nice piano, three guitars and a shitty drum set floating around somewhere. I loan out certain tools and don't even call the people I loaned them to until I need the tool.

I am probably the most trustable Man you might ever meet. Not only do I not want what you have, I don't give much of a fuck about what I own.

But it's not the fact that someone comes to rob me, it is the fact that they violated my space. That will buy them a grave.

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RE: Castle law - 7/4/2008 8:00:47 PM   
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DA, I read what you said, but the fact still remains that more air changes in the passenger compartment of a commercial airliner costs more fuel.



Term, no sorry that is not a fact nor is it correct, nor is it even possible with the way in which an isobaric pressurization system operates. Turbine bleed air is continually pumped into the cabin and continually dumped overboard. I am type rated to fly several turbine aircraft including the B727, 737, 747, and 777. I have a Flight Engineer - Turbojet certificate. I also have an mechanics certificate with airframe and powerplant ratings. I know the systems... I instruct for the type ratings.  What you are saying is simply not possible. If an isobaric system were not continually dumping air, the plane would litterally POP like an overinflated balloon.  

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RE: Castle law - 7/4/2008 8:22:48 PM   
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Termy, it doesn't really matter What the scenario is, it's practicality.  Same way I look at it when asked to "choose" between someone Old or someone Young or someone Middle Aged - who is going to be sacrificed?  Depends on who is the most valuable to society as a whole over the long term.  Is the middle aged person still capable of reproduction, to potentially replace the young if the young is sacrificed?  Does the old person have information that is invaluable which they can't pass along rapidly enough for it to continue being useful if they are sacrificed?  Who is healthiest out of the 3, and likeliest to remain that way given adversity?  Who is going to most rapidly deteriorate and become a burden on the other person remaining?  All variables being equal - let it be luck of the draw.  But variables are seldom if ever completely equal.

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RE: Castle law - 7/4/2008 8:58:44 PM   
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hmm.  To those who dont lock your car,  you ought to.

On cars- dont carry anything that would be unflattering in a search.  Dont leave  valuables in sight.  ALWAYS lock the gas tank.

If you leave your key in it and it gets tampered with- then it is your fault.

crimes against property happen.  the sense of security you think you have is false... [per unlocked cars]

I wont get into the keyless entry BS. I dont like it- dont want it- it is asking for trouble.

If I see some change on the car seat area-  then you just bought me a soda. If I hit the street, I can buy a few liters,  and if I do the town, I could buy ...hmm...now lets see- 300 cars at maybe $1 each- yeah- I could buy a clunker.

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RE: Castle law - 7/4/2008 9:04:51 PM   
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Oh as long as I am spouting off- on searches;

When you clean out your house- it does not hurt to toss unflattering items.  Times have changed with all the war on terror laws... and trivial items of past can now be classified as extreem, shady or -in short- something that requires explaining.

As Term mentioned in one post- things can be taken from you- illegal or legal- ...he words it better then I do.

Maybe some are not aware of this- but when a dude is arrested- the house is searched.  The cops take a few boxes... they dont exactly do it in an orderly manner.

So- like any advice on the Internet- ...you decide.  


^ ducks over can of worms of "searches" ^

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RE: Castle law - 7/4/2008 9:14:58 PM   
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FR....I wonder if this would apply to a trap door oubliette. In other words, the one breaking in would hit a trap door in the floor,which would drop him onto a padded surface  about fifteen feet down. Into a smooth sided well with no purchase to climb out of. And the door would close and lock. A phone link would immediately summon the police and send them a video of the person in question. With all of these precautions-would it still be considered illegal imprisonment?

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RE: Castle law - 7/4/2008 9:18:28 PM   
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The only time someone ever broke into my home I was a child and the only one there, and the intruder volently breaking the door down was my father.  This was after the divorce of my parents, and my mother got the house.  I would have killed him if I'd had a gun.  Oh, man I wish I'd had a gun...

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RE: Castle law - 7/4/2008 10:13:52 PM   
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quote:

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DA, I read what you said, but the fact still remains that more air changes in the passenger compartment of a commercial airliner costs more fuel.



Term, no sorry that is not a fact nor is it correct, nor is it even possible with the way in which an isobaric pressurization system operates. Turbine bleed air is continually pumped into the cabin and continually dumped overboard. I am type rated to fly several turbine aircraft including the B727, 737, 747, and 777. I have a Flight Engineer - Turbojet certificate. I also have an mechanics certificate with airframe and powerplant ratings. I know the systems... I instruct for the type ratings.  What you are saying is simply not possible. If an isobaric system were not continually dumping air, the plane would litterally POP like an overinflated balloon.  



Thanks, you two.  I am never going to be able to fly again without worrying about that damn oxygen mask now.  lol  Crap.  one more thing to obsess about.  Thank God for anti-anxiety meds - otherwise I'd never be able to travel. 

And now I have to worry about which of my 3 kids I'd sacrifice...it's like reliving Sophie's Choice.  lol

On topic ... my son was a freshman in high school this past year.  We live in an affluent upper middle class neighborhood, yet there are the usual fights and issues with the high schoolers - no biggie, really.  The kids were told that if someone started with them, and took a swing, they were to assume the fetal position on the floor, covering their heads with their arms for protection, until help came.  When my 6'1" son came home telling me that this is what their vice principal recommended in case of a fight, we had a quick discussion about how I expected him to handle himself .. and it was all about fighting back and standing up for his smaller friends (should they find themselves in a bad spot) and that I'd support them all the way, even if it meant a suspension or something because of zero tolerance policies.  Can you imagine? 

I'm very glad to hear that castle law is in effect and being upheld.  Come onto my turf or threaten me, and you're going to pay all the consequences I can muster. 

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RE: Castle law - 7/4/2008 10:43:40 PM   
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Ever see the movie made out of the book :

Will: G. Gordon Liddy

?

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RE: Castle law - 7/5/2008 7:19:50 AM   
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Ever see the movie made out of the book :

Will: G. Gordon Liddy

?



No, why do you ask? 

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RE: Castle law - 7/5/2008 10:10:45 AM   
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On topic ... my son was a freshman in high school this past year.  We live in an affluent upper middle class neighborhood, yet there are the usual fights and issues with the high schoolers - no biggie, really.  The kids were told that if someone started with them, and took a swing, they were to assume the fetal position on the floor, covering their heads with their arms for protection, until help came.  When my 6'1" son came home telling me that this is what their vice principal recommended in case of a fight, we had a quick discussion about how I expected him to handle himself .. and it was all about fighting back and standing up for his smaller friends (should they find themselves in a bad spot) and that I'd support them all the way, even if it meant a suspension or something because of zero tolerance policies.  Can you imagine? 


Sadly I can imagine, this is the same crap that my former step son was taught about how to handle his bully problem with a tough little Katrina thug who thought he was the king of the elementary school...  "Curl into a ball so as to protect your face and internal organs, and wait for a teacher". I ammended the policy to

1) Deliver a hard back handed slap to the bridge of the nose / eyes so as to blur the adversaries vision and get him bleeding profusely. If a man cannot see he cannot fight.
2) Deliver an elbow strike to the throat.  If a man cannot breath he cannot fight
3) Deliver a sharp kick to the kneecap. If a man cannot stand he cannot fight..
once he goes down
4) Repeatedly kick him in the groin and face and do not stop until a teacher or school cop arrives to separate you. Show no mercy and do not give the little bastard a chance to get up.  If he gets up you've got a problem.

Unlike those who followed the schools official  "pretend you are a pinata" philosophy... His bully problem ended right then, right there... The principal didnt like it very much, but oh well its her job to maintain order and if she cannot do so then its survival of the fittest.

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RE: Castle law - 7/5/2008 10:30:26 AM   
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DA ... these are fantastic tips, thank you.  I will be passing them along to my son, in a 'just in case' scenario!

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RE: Castle law - 7/5/2008 10:46:14 AM   
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To op: it seems obvious to me that people need to dig a big moat around the perimeter of their house or they don't qualify to use this new modern thinking law.

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RE: Castle law - 7/5/2008 8:44:42 PM   
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Sadly I can imagine, this is the same crap that my former step son was taught about how to handle his bully problem with a tough little Katrina thug who thought he was the king of the elementary school...  "Curl into a ball so as to protect your face and internal organs, and wait for a teacher". I ammended the policy to

1) Deliver a hard back handed slap to the bridge of the nose / eyes so as to blur the adversaries vision and get him bleeding profusely. If a man cannot see he cannot fight.
2) Deliver an elbow strike to the throat.  If a man cannot breath he cannot fight
3) Deliver a sharp kick to the kneecap. If a man cannot stand he cannot fight..
once he goes down
4) Repeatedly kick him in the groin and face and do not stop until a teacher or school cop arrives to separate you. Show no mercy and do not give the little bastard a chance to get up.  If he gets up you've got a problem.

Unlike those who followed the schools official  "pretend you are a pinata" philosophy... His bully problem ended right then, right there... The principal didnt like it very much, but oh well its her job to maintain order and if she cannot do so then its survival of the fittest.

How strangely familiar those rules sound.  I instructed my kid to deal with a bully in a strangely similar way and then informed the superintendent that those were the new rules.  This was after three attempts to work through the system.  Upon hearing the new rules, these pantywaists at his school finally took care of the problem.
Let's see if I remember the conversation.
"Since you refuse to move my child away from the child who keeps hitting him, I have instructed my son to beat him bloody and to not stop until physically pulled off by an adult."
"Sir, you can't do that."
"Wrong.  It's already done.  The next choice is yours.  Let my kid who has been in martial arts since the age of 4 defend himself and beat this little bastard half to death or take care of the problem."
"Sir, you can't call the other child a bastard."

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RE: Castle law - 7/5/2008 9:01:07 PM   
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How strangely familiar those rules sound.  I instructed my kid to deal with a bully in a strangely similar way and then informed the superintendent that those were the new rules.  This was after three attempts to work through the system.  Upon hearing the new rules, these pantywaists at his school finally took care of the problem.
Let's see if I remember the conversation.
"Since you refuse to move my child away from the child who keeps hitting him, I have instructed my son to beat him bloody and to not stop until physically pulled off by an adult."
"Sir, you can't do that."
"Wrong.  It's already done.  The next choice is yours.  Let my kid who has been in martial arts since the age of 4 defend himself and beat this little bastard half to death or take care of the problem."
"Sir, you can't call the other child a bastard."



Irish, I salute you. Mine was accompanied by a similar warning to both the school administration AND the kids mother - who said that "he be a mac daddy and he command respeck". (whatever the fuck that means! LOL)

I was like "OK, let me make this VERY CLEAR If your son does not stop using mine as a heavy bag with eyes I am going to spend all fucking weekend teaching my boy what Gunnery Sgt Johnston taught me as the last thing standing between my ass and a POW camp. Now, if you love your little cumshot gone wrong,  and care about jos well being, you will tell him to keep his motherfucking paws off of my son or Monday he's gonna be uglier than he already is...."  The kid didnt look too good Monday afternoon...

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RE: Castle law - 7/5/2008 9:09:46 PM   
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As usual DA, you prompt a response.

They guy who told me about the booby traps is not stupid, however that does not mean that many state statutes don't exist banning them. But the thing there is if it is true that the ruling allows for them, it could mean a battle to the supreme court. Now you sound like you got money, and do well. But then you did just buy a house a couple years ago. Would you like to go throught the expense of all this litigation ? Plus the fact that many states are declared 'home rule' states and can defy the national Constitution, and if so it would follow that they will write laws that contradict the court's ruling, even if that's what it is.

He is not stupid, but I am even less stupid. I will grill him about this point. I actually don't disagree with you, I would not recommend booby traps. People are much better. Know how to be quiet, let someone borrow your car, fuck a booby trap, build a REAL trap. And leaving someone else to guard your house is bullshit, first of all you have to say that you were letting them live there, and at least half of the people I know are incapable of pulling the trigger because of the stupid social engineering they were not able to discard. This can make for a very bad situation.

But, consider this, electrified fences are legal. If they have the ability to kill, in essence there is no difference.

There is a way, with mirrors properly positioned to protect any opening in your house. With a laser beam, not all that high powered but very small diameter and concentrated, and coherent, that anyone putting their hand through the opening would suffer burns and such, which would make them detectable BTW. The problem is that it is not all that efficient. The energy must be dissipated and in the summer that can be a problem. Also the breaking of the beam is detectable for like a silent alarm.

There are also forms of construction that are very easy to beat. I dunno bout down there but up here they let them build mansions almost with steel studs, styrafoam insulation, no sheathing at all and vinyl siding attached right to the studs. These houses are junk and it is literally easier to break through a wall than a window or door. But the perception of a burglar might not make them aware of this. But these houses are junk for more reasons than just that.

Here's a trip, they cost a fortune to heat and cool, and they know the insulation sucks. So they build them with the high vaulted cielings and thirty foot high vestibules so they can blame it on that to cover up the facts. But it is now I who digress. Back to the point.

Anything you have can be taken from you. By hook, by crook, by legal means, illegal means. It is up to you to defend yourself, which is something else that has been decided by the supreme court. As far as I am concerned, this ruling just expounds on that one, and is intended to allow Citizens to do just that.

And just to show just why I am called the Terminator, booby traps do not have to look like booby traps. A window over the bathtub ? Don't get me started on ideas for that. It could be alot of things. "Well officer, that was a piece of art, and I was cleaning it in the tub" . Things like that. And then tell them I want a copy of the police report because I want the insurance company to pay to remove this dead motherfucker and restore my piece. Think I am bullshitting ? 

Buy a hundred Gintzu knifes and make a stand for them, blades up. When you find a dead motherfucker there, tell the cops that you were in the process of heat treating the cutting edge and tip and needed water to do that. That you would get a torch and heat them and then spray them with water and were going to sell them with a really long warranty. Watch the cop say "Yeah, my olady has been bitching about how quick knives go dull":. Want one ? " Maybe, how much ?" and then I would say "With blood or without ?".

Back to simplicity, the old bucket over the door trick. People, don't use water, use gasoline. And make sure they get soaked with it. I almost used a technique similar against someone and now I am glad I didn't. Alliances changed, everything changed. And the castle law may have prevented it. Somebody pissed me off and I was going to have certain members of the posse, the ones not known around here, to dump five gallons of gasoline on someone's floor, and leave a no smoking sign.

When you want revenge you have to think it out. It has been said that revenge is a dish best served cold, and I agree. You can't figure out a revenge operation until you can think clearly. You may notice that I have very few problems in life. Think first.

Think first, perhaps those are the most important words.

T




you cannot put booby traps on your property, especially if you have them hidden and have reason to believe that people might come onto said property, with or without your permission.

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RE: Castle law - 7/5/2008 10:02:03 PM   
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As usual DA, you prompt a response.

They guy who told me about the booby traps is not stupid, however that does not mean that many state statutes don't exist banning them.

But, consider this, electrified fences are legal. If they have the ability to kill, in essence there is no difference.

There is a way, with mirrors properly positioned to protect any opening in your house. With a laser beam, not all that high powered but very small diameter and concentrated, and coherent, that anyone putting their hand through the opening would suffer burns and such, which would make them detectable BTW.

There are also forms of construction that are very easy to beat. I dunno bout down there but up here they let them build mansions almost with steel studs, styrafoam insulation, no sheathing at all and vinyl siding attached right to the studs. These houses are junk and it is literally easier to break through a wall than a window or door. But the perception of a burglar might not make them aware of this. But these houses are junk for more reasons than just that.

Here's a trip, they cost a fortune to heat and cool, and they know the insulation sucks. So they build them with the high vaulted cielings and thirty foot high vestibules so they can blame it on that to cover up the facts. But it is now I who digress. Back to the point.


you cannot put booby traps on your property, especially if you have them hidden and have reason to believe that people might come onto said property, with or without your permission.


I agree wholeheartedly with Blush, as I said earlier - you cannot do it any more than you can landscape with claymore mines.... A few other points I want to address:

1) Its not just state statutes banning them, there are federal laws against them. One of the examples you cited was a shotgun with a tripwire. That is a MINE. You can not own a mine. Well actually you can but you need a license from BATF and a storage magazine etc... You can not protect your home with mines. It violates federal as well as state laws out the yazooo.

2) Electrified fences. I know of NO civilian electrified fences that can kill unless there was some totally freak circumstance like a lightning strike. Even the "weed burner" fences dont kill. They would be kind of hard on the livestock if they did! Im sure Irish uses electrified fences, as I did when we had horses at the cabin. Fence chargers are NOT lethal they are annoying. I used to test if it was working by tapping on it because I could never find the fucking neon thingy. Its about like a lawnmower spark plug wire...  The places where they DO use lethal fences are to my knowledge all govt owned and they are ususally the middle fence in a three fence barrier.

I know of one place where they had a 12 foot chain link topped with concetina wire, then an area patrolled by guard dogs that had their larynx surgically altered so they couldnt bark and you thus couldnt hear then, another fence followed by a 12 foot lethal electric fence that could actually zap you if you got within 3 feet of it, then another fence with antipersonell mines, and finally another "normal fence with razor wire. The perimeter was patrolled by armed miltitary personell on both sides. You can not do this at your home! The lethal fences are found places like nuclear weapons storage igloos, CERTAIN buildings at Los Alomos or Sandia, supermax prisons, etc... Lethal electric fences are not used to guard the local mini-storage! LOL

3) As for the lasers, dude, thats sci-fi. I use a laser to hang paintings in my house... They are the chalk line of the 21st century. The only way you can be hurt with any laser you could afford to obtain would be if you shined it right in your eye and stared at it. A laser capable of burning intruders would need exotic gases, cryrogenic coolants, a hell of a power supply, and would have to be fired in short bursts. The fucking thing would cost more than the house it is protecting and the power bill would exceed the mortgage payment. Even the laser used to illumiate targets on a military aircraft wont burn anything... There are some air force lasers for killing missles etc but they cost hundreds of millions of dollars and require a crew of 50+ technicians on the aircraft...

4) You ideas on steel homes are inaccurate. My home uses steel framing. It has the "red iron" heavy structural members, and light gauge steel studs that carry no load. They do not cost a fortune to heat or cool. I have R-30 batts in the walls, plus the 1" foam sheathing board. In order to get through that sheathing you need to get through the brick facing... Ive got a seismic rating of 4, my home is engineered for wind speeds of 155 mph, and I am immune to termites or mold.  If my home floods it is a matter of replacing the drywall and permeable interior finish items... With no interior load bearing walls I have an open floor plan... People use steel because it is better. I invite you to visit http://www.tri-steel.com/Buyer/Default.asp to learn about steel home construction. Thats where I bought my framing from.

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RE: Castle law - 7/5/2008 10:30:17 PM   
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xx, I am going to be looking into that. It really doesn't sound right to me either. I will grill the source and hit the web. No matter who people are, sometimes they make assumptions. I'll find out.

Will : G. Gordon Liddy

His kid was in a boarding school and had gotten into a fight. He was called and had a talk with the administration. He asked who started the fight and they informed him that the other kid did. Then he asks "So what is the problem ?".

They responded that they taught kids to look to authority for protection and such, that even fighting back was wrong. His response went something like this :

Well years ago the French were taught that, while the German kids were taught to solve their own problems. How many DAYS did it take for Germany to take over France ?

Hell it took them longer to take Poland, and those people were riding around on horses among the invading tanks !

I am Polak, and I would never put up with a bully, ever. I don't even put up with the government anymore, and if there ever was a bully, there it is. I have taken weapons to school and USED them. Just because you are tougher or have a gang behind you doesn't mean you can tell me shit. I pulled a pair of scissors out on a gang of Blacks, AT THE ICECREAM STORE ACROSS THE STREET, and these little fuck head dipwads told the school and I got busted for it. So next time I brought a real knife. My Mother always wondered where her big knife went, little did she know that it was protecting me. I mean there were like seven of them.

You think bullies are bad ? At least you might fight them one on one, a gang won't do that. They want no part of one on one or a fair fight. Plus the fact that Dad was a criminal and would fly back from Michigan (in his Buick with a 401) and shoot these pukes, no problem. It never got to that point.

Y'know I almost get sick to my stomach when I kill a bug. But people are a different story. I would gut them and hang them upside down from trees like the "Predator" in the movie. I don't know why I am like this, but I am slowly getting a grip on it. The bug is just trying to live it's life. People are different.

Yes, people are different.

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