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Gorgias -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/3/2008 12:04:43 PM)

It's not just sub men - I've been flaked out on by a dom man too.  This is something that a lot of people fantasize about, but are terrified to actually go through with.  I don't blame them - I was nervous as hell before my first meeting!  But I'm really glad that I worked through it to be where I am today.  I pity, not hate, the flakes.




ShiftedJewel -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/3/2008 12:08:35 PM)

I've had plenty of no shows, male and female (although it's mostly male). The excuses ranged from none at all to suddenly becoming so ill that they had to leave the "lifestyle" all together. That's why I'm not playing the game anymore. There comes a point where it's time to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk and I've yet to meet anyone willing and/or able to take that step.
 
Jewel




slavekal -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/3/2008 12:14:59 PM)

Could be, Misstoyou, but I kinda don't think so.  I have talked to many of these guys who seem okay, on the level.  Friendly conversation.  A few have followed through, but most do not.
I actually met Ms. M at her first fetish party.  We were introduced by a mutal acquaintance. 




SaraZeal -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/3/2008 1:08:02 PM)

Outside the BDSM community I've had two no-shows (both guys, but well I've only tried meeting guys too).

One said he was coming from Wyoming in a camping car, and a friend of a relative that was traveling with them suddenly got ill as he was supposedly only a few miles away from my place. I don't know if he ever was on the road to meet me though.

The second was in Alberta. Gave me 400$ to pay for plane tickets (going and back) that cost 475$ (I paid the extra 75$), then I had to cancel two days prior because he said it was a no-go. Supposedly my not being able to rent a hotel there was the dealbreaker, but it was fine when I bought the tickets (I planned to stay in his student room, at his uni, where he was then - and that was agreed with before)... Of course the 475$ tickets were unrefundable.

I've met three guys that all showed up. One from collarme, two from OkCupid (at different times, long while between them). Since I don't have a car, and they all did, they agreed to either come see me or pick me up. They all showed, and all looked like what they said they did, and like the pictures. None of them mistreated me or took advantage of my being on foot.

Guess I've been lucky?




shivermetimbers -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/3/2008 4:11:30 PM)

It's tough to come up with a fullproof screening mechanism.  Time is valuable to people, so this isn't the best idea, because if the person is a no show, you end up having wasted time better spent doing something else.  Require they actually be in the place you plan to meet, before going out to meet them.  Make sure it's a place you are very familiar with.  When they call and say they are there, ask them to describe what the place looks like.  Another is having them paypal ten dollars.  That would cover the cost of gas, and if they are there when you arrive, you can give them the ten dollars back.  I don't know if gas companies have a service where you can email a specific gas card amount for the recipient to print out (most ticket agencies for sporting, concert, and cultural events do this now).  If so, that would be a nice option also, so as an address or PO box doesn't have to be revealed.  If someone complains that it's a form of tribute, remind them that ten dollars is enough to get just a touch over two gallons of gas which will probably just cover your transportation unless you are walking, and if they show, they get their money back.  If they complain that they'd go broke if they had to pay ten dollars to every domme they want to meet, then they are either destitute or trying to meet way too many people.   Personally, I would rather not have to do something like that, but if someone I was going to meet requested it based upon so many no shows, I'd gladly do it. If they turn out to be no shows, well, as they say, if you lend 10 dollars to someone and you never seen them again, it was probably money well spent.




slavekal -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/3/2008 4:33:55 PM)

Great ideas.  I have actually suggested them to Ms. Mlicious.  She has an Amazon.com wishlist that has proved quite effective at cooling off one handed typists.  And whenever we meet a guy, it is at a place we were going anyway. 




hardbodysub -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/3/2008 5:04:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

That's why we have a "real life meetings" section..A way to prove you can at least manage to show up for coffee.


Huh? A "real life mettings" section? Never heard of it. Where is it?




Leatherist -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/3/2008 5:07:10 PM)

http://www.collarchat.com/forumid_54/tt.htm




petdave -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/3/2008 5:08:59 PM)

Are you not a sub male yourself? You tell us [8D]




hardbodysub -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/3/2008 5:10:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

http://www.collarchat.com/forumid_54/tt.htm


Well, if you had said "Positive Experiences" section, I would have know what you were talking about.




candystripper -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/4/2008 2:39:39 AM)

I cant remember ever being stood up, nor have I ever stood anyone up.
 
Regardless of orientation, we all have to put up with a relatively high level of bulls*t -- such as the suggestion that 'all male submissives are defective'.
 
candystripper




slavekal -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/4/2008 8:04:35 AM)

Petdave, I am a submale, which is why this behavior confuses me.  I would never, and have never done that jerky stuff.  When I am on the hunt for a new Mistress, I am not fooling around.  I put up profiles, I answer them, I go to parties, and when I set up a first meeting, I brush my teeth, put on clean clothes, and I show up.  I just assumed that everyone did that.When I found out that was not the case, I was quite surprised.




welcomerain -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/4/2008 9:49:44 AM)

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When I am on the hunt for a new Mistress, I am not fooling around. I put up profiles, I answer them, I go to parties, and when I set up a first meeting, I brush my teeth, put on clean clothes, and I show up. I just assumed that everyone did that.When I found out that was not the case, I was quite surprised.


Well that pretty much answers your own question, doesn't it?

A lot of these guys you're complaining about aren't actually looking to meet. That's all there is to it. I'm sure there is a percentage of people who get cold feet, but the lion's share of bad collarme responses are from people who are solely into dicking people around online. If you are using a phone dating service, most of the problems will be caused by people who only want to play on the phone, and so forth.

And as others have pointed out, it isn't all guys either. Mistresses might be targetted more because they tend to post prettier pictures, but when you have identified someone as a gamer, their profile indicates what they figured was the best way to play the game, not what they actually are.





littlesquirt30 -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/4/2008 4:24:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Usako

quote:

ORIGINAL: GuidingLite

girl puleeeze, you don't even need to talk. ur the biggest whiner ever, all crying about pros and shyt in other posts. yapping nagging girl who you kidding.


Stalking my posts? Nice to know I have a fan. [:)]

I might have slightly found what you said insulting but I tend not to pay much attention to people who type like drunk monkies. But nice try kid.



Nice retort Usako.  I like your style!...and yes, I am an arse kisser [:)]




subtex -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/6/2008 4:21:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slavekal

Great ideas.  I have actually suggested them to Ms. Mlicious.  She has an Amazon.com wishlist that has proved quite effective at cooling off one handed typists.  And whenever we meet a guy, it is at a place we were going anyway. 


I don't like the "tribute" idea.  That would filter me out.  I wonder what kind of message that sends to the applicants.  Maybe the ones that filter lets through are the very ones you don't want.  Sure they might show up but how do they view the relationship?
Bill




Lynnxz -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/6/2008 4:24:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slavekal

Petdave, I am a submale, which is why this behavior confuses me.  I would never, and have never done that jerky stuff.  When I am on the hunt for a new Mistress, I am not fooling around.  I put up profiles, I answer them, I go to parties, and when I set up a first meeting, I brush my teeth, put on clean clothes, and I show up.  I just assumed that everyone did that.When I found out that was not the case, I was quite surprised.


Blech... you'd be amazed at the number of guys who's breat smells like rancid goat butt. Trust me, smelling good will get guys a lot further than they think... well at the least it saves the domme whiplach from flailing away from the smell




Venatrix -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/6/2008 4:43:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slavekal

. . . when I set up a first meeting, I brush my teeth, put on clean clothes, and I show up. . . .


With a body like that, I think it's a damned shame you put on any clothes, clean or otherwise. 




slavekal -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/6/2008 6:57:47 PM)

Thanks.  Compliments like that will keep me on my little diet.  You make a good point, Subtext.  but that wishlist is a good way to cut out the BSers who claim they want to do anything and send gifts, etc.  Now she has a way to make them put up or shut up, even if it is just a small token. 




hardbodysub -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/6/2008 7:07:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: shivermetimbers

It's tough to come up with a fullproof screening mechanism.  Time is valuable to people, so this isn't the best idea, because if the person is a no show, you end up having wasted time better spent doing something else.  Require they actually be in the place you plan to meet, before going out to meet them.  Make sure it's a place you are very familiar with.  When they call and say they are there, ask them to describe what the place looks like.  Another is having them paypal ten dollars.  That would cover the cost of gas, and if they are there when you arrive, you can give them the ten dollars back.  I don't know if gas companies have a service where you can email a specific gas card amount for the recipient to print out (most ticket agencies for sporting, concert, and cultural events do this now).  If so, that would be a nice option also, so as an address or PO box doesn't have to be revealed.  If someone complains that it's a form of tribute, remind them that ten dollars is enough to get just a touch over two gallons of gas which will probably just cover your transportation unless you are walking, and if they show, they get their money back.  If they complain that they'd go broke if they had to pay ten dollars to every domme they want to meet, then they are either destitute or trying to meet way too many people.   Personally, I would rather not have to do something like that, but if someone I was going to meet requested it based upon so many no shows, I'd gladly do it. If they turn out to be no shows, well, as they say, if you lend 10 dollars to someone and you never seen them again, it was probably money well spent.


I don't agree with the paypal idea. Being required to give someone money before they'll meet with me is a huge red flag. Even if she's a real domme who's just trying to protect herself and filter out phony subs, when she asks for money up front, there's nothing to distinguish her from a scam artist fleecing gullible subs.

On the other hand, I think it's perfectly reasonable for a domme to require the sub to meet at a time and place that is not only extremely convenient and doesn't cost her anything, but actually some place that she'd like to be even if the sub doesn't show up. I agree completely with Mlicious and subcal on this. Nothing beyond this should be necessary.




petdave -> RE: What is wrong with sub males? (7/6/2008 7:42:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slavekal

Thanks.  Compliments like that will keep me on my little diet.  You make a good point, Subtext.  but that wishlist is a good way to cut out the BSers who claim they want to do anything and send gifts, etc.  Now she has a way to make them put up or shut up, even if it is just a small token. 


lol... "Send me stuff and maybe we can meet" where have we heard that before? [:D]

Lemme know if that works... maybe my "Mistress" will set one up as well!




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