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Senator Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot sustain a long-term military presence in Iraq, but added that he would be open to “refine my policies” about a timeline for withdrawing troops after meeting with American military commanders during a trip to Iraq later this month

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

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Senator Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot sustain a long-term military presence in Iraq, but added that he would be open to “refine my policies” about a timeline for withdrawing troops after meeting with American military commanders during a trip to Iraq later this month

New York Times, July 3, 2008, written by Jeff Zeleny.
 
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/obama-open-to-refine-iraq-withdrawal-timeline/index.html?8au&emc=au
 
O Gawd no.  This is just what I feared -- Obama is being greedy and soliciting the 'hawk' vote.  What about his '16 month plan' that helped win him the nomination?  Was that just so much whistling in the dark?
 
I see no difference between the Middle East Wars and the Vietnam War -- neither can be 'won' and neither has an artictlable 'end game'. Does Obama not remember 1973?
 
What a debacle that was.
 
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/vietnamwar/a/VietnamEnd.htm
 
candystripper

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He sees the "Surge" has worked

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ORIGINAL: SilverWulf

Simple really.

Obama has no clue about anything.  He changes his mind about various topics every time the wind blows.

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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ORIGINAL: SilverWulf

Simple really.

Obama has no clue about anything.  He changes his mind about various topics every time the wind blows.

Obama has very little knowledge of foreign policy issues. So anything he says right now on that topic I would really be careful in believing that he is going to follow through. Because if elected, he'll likely get in there and do something very different when the Pentagon and foreign policy experts start whispering in his ear. At that point, the voters dont matter.

If he starts pulling out troops and the violence increases or the government there starts to fall apart....guess what...we arnt leaving! Because if that government falls apart over there....our gas is going to be $10 a gallon, easy.

We had no economic dependancy on Vietnam. So when we pulled out....we didnt give a damn about them. But we have a problem with Iraq. Its in an area that is critical to our country's economic survival.

My Fellow Americans:

You may have read recent news reports that suggest I have modified my position regarding the redeployment of American military personnel in Iraq. Unfortunately, these reports have been the source of much confusion and anxiety among the millions of voters who have supported my campaign, and I would like to take this opportunity to address their concerns.

Let me be crystal clear: if elected president, my first act will be to call for the immediate withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq. I have always been consistent and forthright in this position, and I want to reassure my supporters that my recent statement backtracking from it was just some bullshit my staff came up with to tack to the center for the general election. To win this election, it will be critical to appeal to the dwindling but stubborn group of idiots who cling to fantasies of American "victory" in this tragic disaster. It's an unfortunate part of the complicated game of presidential politics, but let's face it: I can't stop this war if I'm not in the White House. However, you should know by now that whatever I may say from now until November, once elected I will immediately pull the rug from these gullible pro-war rubes.

Or will I? As is obvious to all but the most deluded HuffPo retard, the surge in Iraq has produced dramatic improvements in security throughout Iraq, and the roots of a stable pro-American democracy. We have the terrorists on the run, and it would obviously be crazy for us to pull our troops from the region just as we are on the verge of victory. And it is equally obvious that everything I said in the previous paragraph were designed to placate the naive hipster moonbats I brilliantly exploited to destroy the Clintons. (You're welcome.) Now that the nomination is in the bag, I am finally free to stake out my genuine pro-victory Iraq position, and have a good laugh while the dKos morons screech like a bunch of apoplectic howler monkeys. Let's face it: at the rate I'm heading right on national security, I'll be raining nukes on Tehran by February.  

See what I mean? That previous paragraph should be a signal to all of you in the progressive community just how committed I am to an immediate troop withdrawal. If that's the kind of shameless bellicose jingoism it takes to temporarily fool the neocons and extra-chromosome Jebus tards, I will do it. Just as I was willing to wear the stupid flag lapel pin to satisfy their lust for empty "patriotic" symbolism. But deep in your heart you know my real goal: to end this war, and atone to the world for the 28 nightmare years of Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush fascism. Imagine the looks on the multinational plutocrats' faces when I sign the bill that nationalizes their stupid oil industry!

And that there is exactly the kind of transparent commie crap that left wing lunatics eat up. It's unfortunate that I had to participate in it during the primary season, but just look at all of the comsymps and pinkos I've thrown under the bus in the last 6 weeks - Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, Samantha Power, Jim Johnson, the list goes on. And you know what? I enjoyed it. Ask yourself this: when was the last time John McCain stabbed a lefty asshole in the back? Then ask yourself: who's the real conservative in this race?

In conclusion, this should make it clear to the broad moderate middle mainstream of independent American  voters that I am willing to reach out to both sides of the contentious war debate, and forge a new national consensus based on unity. Together, we can build a new era of hope, and bring an end to politics of cynicism.

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Senator Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot sustain a long-term military presence in Iraq, but added that he would be open to “refine my policies” about a timeline for withdrawing troops after meeting with American military commanders during a trip to Iraq later this month

New York Times, July 3, 2008, written by Jeff Zeleny.
 
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/obama-open-to-refine-iraq-withdrawal-timeline/index.html?8au&emc=au
 
O Gawd no.  This is just what I feared -- Obama is being greedy and soliciting the 'hawk' vote.  What about his '16 month plan' that helped win him the nomination?  Was that just so much whistling in the dark?
 
I see no difference between the Middle East Wars and the Vietnam War -- neither can be 'won' and neither has an artictlable 'end game'. Does Obama not remember 1973?
 
What a debacle that was.
 
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/vietnamwar/a/VietnamEnd.htm
 
candystripper

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Desert loving in your eyes all the way
If I listen to your lies would you say
Im a man without conviction
Im a man who doesnt know
How to sell a contradiction
You come and go
You come and go

Karma karma karma karma karma chameleon
You come and go
You come and go
Loving would be easy if your colors were like my dream
Red, gold and green
Red, gold and green

Didnt hear your wicked words every day
And you used to be so sweet I heard you say
That my love was an addiction
When we cling our love is strong
When you go youre gone forever
You string along
You string along

Every day is like a survival
Youre my lover not my rival
Every day is like a survival
Youre my lover not my rival

Im a man without conviction
Im a man who doesnt know
How to sell a contradication
You come and go
You come and go

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

      LOL!!!  Firm, that belongs in your dirty tricks thread. 

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


It was pretty good!

Did you author that, Firm?

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

     LOL!!!  Firm, that belongs in your dirty tricks thread. 

Here's Obama reaching out to the evangelical right. The Associated Press reports:

    In an interview this week with "Relevant," a Christian magazine, Obama said prohibitions on late-term abortions must contain "a strict, well defined exception for the health of the mother."

   Obama then added: "Now, I don't think that 'mental distress' qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term."

Obama made no such distinction last year:

    Last year, after the Supreme Court upheld a federal ban on late-term abortions, Obama said he "strongly disagreed" with the ruling because it "dramatically departs form previous precedents safeguarding the health of pregnant women."

NARAL leaders ought to feel like idiots.