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cyberdude611 -> Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/3/2008 5:18:49 PM)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031611/Sharia-law-SHOULD-used-Britain-says-UKs-judge.html



hisannabelle -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/3/2008 5:49:52 PM)

greetings cyberdude,

there are two schools of thought on this - that culturally appropriate laws can be used for those of different religions (for example, britain already has separate systems for jews who choose to use them, to my knowledge) in certain cases (within islam, this makes sense especially regarding marriage and finance as western courts generally do not have a family law system as there is in islam and islamic financial law is very different). and then of course there are those who believe the same laws should be applied equally in all cases, all across the board, regardless of whether they are culturally appropriate. in my experience, this leaves muslims - especially muslim women in the case of marriage - reliant on their own social communities to try to enforce the rights accorded to them under islamic law, which in many cases turns out badly.

ultimately i think these statements are the most important:

quote:

In his speech at an East London mosque, Lord Phillips signalled approval of sharia principles as long as punishments - and divorce rulings - complied with the law of the land.

Lord Phillips said: 'Those who are in dispute are free to subject it to mediation or to agree that it shall be resolved by a chosen arbitrator. There is no reason why principles of sharia law or any other religious code should not be the basis for mediation or other forms of dispute resolution.'
Lord Phillips said that any sanctions must be 'drawn from the laws of England and Wales'. Severe physical punishment - he mentioned stoning, flogging or amputating hands - is 'out of the question' in Britain, he added.

respectfully,a'ishah.



kittinSol -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/3/2008 6:10:39 PM)

This isn't new - came out months ago.

"Lord Phillips said: 'Those who are in dispute are free to subject it to mediation or to agree that it shall be resolved by a chosen arbitrator. There is no reason why principles of sharia law or any other religious code should not be the basis for mediation or other forms of dispute resolution.'

Lord Phillips said that any sanctions must be 'drawn from the laws of England and Wales'. Severe physical punishment - he mentioned stoning, flogging or amputating hands - is 'out of the question' in Britain, he added."

This suggestion is made in regards to legal conflicts opposing people who are Muslims. England already has provisions made to apply certain aspects Jewish law too, in matters of marriage and divorce. This is the kind of legal context Sharia laws would be applied.

And quoting the Daily Mail, really... couldn't you find a slightly more serious source [8|] ?



SeekingMuslima -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/15/2008 4:13:02 AM)

Hi,

for those who think the current english laws evolved in a vacuum, I'd recommend the enlightening article on wikipedia on Sharia, or the relevant subsection if you're short on time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Influence_on_English_common_law



RCdc -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/15/2008 4:22:00 AM)

CD - Can't you post any more recent news?  This is a bit old hat now.  And using the mail?  Really?  Aren't you embarressed?
 
the.dark.



DomAviator -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/15/2008 4:39:17 AM)

I hope to christ this PC bullshit doesnt ever fly in America. If the UK wants to throw their country away thats their business.... But as far as I am concerned in the USA there is no such thing as "Islamic Law". There should be US Law, which covers anyone in the US regardless of what faith they choose to practice and then if someone wants "Islamic Law" they can hop on the first thing flying to an islamic country. I mean really where will this kind of bullshit end - oh no officer see I wanna be tried in Unrestrained Baptist Court cause we dont believe in seatbelts.  Oh No officer Im FLDS so Im not a pervert, charge me under FLDS law and try me in horny mormon court. Posioning poeple, absolutely not that was our sacred Koolaid and its legal under Jonestown Law.... Obey the laws of the country you are in or get out and go to one of your liking.  This is a slippery slope to hell...



RCdc -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/15/2008 4:51:29 AM)

This is Darcy

I take a very simple line on things like this. This is England, where English law is king.

By all means practice different cultures, for variety is indeed the spice of life, but the bottom line is that the law is there to be respected, and its ruling is final.

If you're prepared to adhere to the laws of this country, then all well and good, but if you find them not to your liking, and would prefer to live somewhere that offers a different legal system, then please feel free to emigrate to whichever country best suits your needs.

Simple, no?



popeye1250 -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/15/2008 7:18:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

I hope to christ this PC bullshit doesnt ever fly in America. If the UK wants to throw their country away thats their business.... But as far as I am concerned in the USA there is no such thing as "Islamic Law". There should be US Law, which covers anyone in the US regardless of what faith they choose to practice and then if someone wants "Islamic Law" they can hop on the first thing flying to an islamic country. I mean really where will this kind of bullshit end - oh no officer see I wanna be tried in Unrestrained Baptist Court cause we dont believe in seatbelts.  Oh No officer Im FLDS so Im not a pervert, charge me under FLDS law and try me in horny mormon court. Posioning poeple, absolutely not that was our sacred Koolaid and its legal under Jonestown Law.... Obey the laws of the country you are in or get out and go to one of your liking.  This is a slippery slope to hell...


Yeah D.A., I'm "OFFENDED" by this pc crap!
Isn't it against the pc law to "OFFEND" someone?
"But Officer, I belong to a sect of the Catholic religion where we believe in INQUISITIONS!"
"We werern't beating the crap out of this guy, we were INQUIRING as to the whereabouts of his drug money!"
England I fear is lost to pc.
They're getting rediculous over there. I think they call it "The Stockholm Syndrome."
Besides, I don't think muslims would like the South too much.
I was driving from Charleston to Myrtle Beach sunday and there was smoke wafting over the road from 3 different church pig barbeques that I drove by on Rt 17. MMMMMM-MMMM!



Owner59 -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/15/2008 7:42:46 AM)

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I wish he was as upset when the neo-cons established Sharia law in Iraq....

And not the quasi Sharia-like practices,as in Europe but the real kind, with  roving armed "morality patrols", looking to punish any and all infractions of Sharia law.

When will neo-cons own up to not only accepting Sharia law in Iraq but helping to re-establish it there?

Seems to me that that`s a real problem, with real victims and real consequences.



popeye1250 -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/15/2008 7:50:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

[sm=beatdeadhorse.gif]



I wish he was as upset when the neo-cons established Sharia law in Iraq....

And not the quasi Sharia-like practices,as in Europe but the real kind, with  roving armed "morality patrols", looking to punish any and all infractions of Sharia law.

When will neo-cons own up to not only accepting Sharia law in Iraq but helping to re-establish it there?

Seems to me that that`s a real problem, with real victims and real consequences.


Owner, Huh?



meatcleaver -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/15/2008 8:43:38 AM)

As others have pointed out, this is old news. There are Jewish civil courts that operate within English Civil Law so why there should be a problem of muslim civil courts operating within English civil law is beyond me. These courts are voluntary and English law is supreme so it is no big deal. If anyone within these minorities have a real problem they can resort to English civil law which has jurisdiction. Note, that this is civil law not criminal law, there is no debate about compromising British criminal law.



Daddystouch -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/15/2008 9:25:18 AM)

This story has been monumentally misunderstood. What Lord Phillips said was not that Sharia law should be put on the statute books or incorporated into British law. What he said was that elements of Sharia law could form the basis for conflict-resolution agreements between Muslims i.e. its use would be voluntary for both parties. It's really a non-story because they can do that as it is. Hell, two people can use the Bible of Elvis in dispute resolution if they wish.



Dtesmoac -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/16/2008 4:07:55 AM)

When producing legal contracts the agreement would be able to be framed within context of Sharia if both parties agreed and so could ensure that there was no conflict with Civil law precedence. Whole issue is out of proportion, but it has clarified some earlier coments which cold have been taken to imply the use of Sharia in criminal cases which of course would be rubbish.
The only issue I can see that could be a problem is where one party is seen to be (or potetnially could have been0 coerced into a Sharia contrct / law agreement which provides less protection than an standard civil law case would have provided. Particularly related to divorce settlements etc. When this arrises I'm sure the use of islamophobia will be raised again.




RealityLicks -> RE: Britain accepting Sharia law? (7/16/2008 5:43:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daddystouch

This story has been monumentally misunderstood.


Watching Fifties sci-fi as a kid, I always wondered what it would be like to live in the time of "reds under the bed" paranoia.  The Daily Heil has catered for my fantasies rather handsomely, it would seem.



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