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Master's Space - 7/4/2008 3:35:25 AM   
Tormentise


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Status: offline 		We've all heard the term "sub space." I want to hear about Master's Space.
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RE: Master's Space - 7/4/2008 4:52:24 AM   
Focus50


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Status: offline 		More commonly known as 'Top space"; probably 'cause it rolls off the tongue a little smoother....
 
To me, it's a surreal place of inner contentment where time flashes by without me; thus hours elapse seemingly in a few minutes (to me). 
 
Just as it does for a sub in sub space....  Difference is it's a case of "her, first".  Top-space only works for me if she's floating contentedly in her own space.  My "floating" is a matter of being focused solely on her, esp her well-being.  If she shows unexpected signs of disturbance, I come out of it immediately - such is being the one in control.  If all goes well, we can both "lose" a few hours easy - esp if it's my favourite bondage only scene, where she's unable to do anything else except feel the tight bonds of my control over her.
 
The subs I've known will swear on a stack that only a few minutes elapsed when it was likely closer to 2 hours.  Having her stretch and move about usually enlightens her to the tell-tale signs of stiffness etc that suggest a "few minutes" just doesn't compute... lol 
 
Similar "oddities" for me, too!  I've learnt to check the clock at the start of such a scene (mostly curiousity, plus the sub likes to know too) and that I never do such a scene under a pretext that I'll just truss her up then watch some favourite tv show.  Usually all I remember watching is her, but only for a "few minutes"....
 
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RE: Master's Space - 7/4/2008 5:10:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tormentise

We've all heard the term "sub space." I want to hear about Master's Space.


I find it increasingly hard to "turn off" the world.  Even more so when I'm with Pet.  I feel like its my duty to protect her from every harm, and forsee every possible risk.

So unless Master space (Top Space, as Focus pointed out, sounds smoother) is that cautious eye, being the guide for her trip through sub space, I have never felt it.

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RE: Master's Space - 7/4/2008 5:43:08 AM   
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Focus, Thanks for enlightening me on what it is more commonly referred to as. It seems that "Top Space" would be the exact opposite of sub space given that for every reaction there is an opposite reaction. therefore, since being in absolute control of everything is not possible in this world maybe the only time we are really in "Top space" is when we are guiding someone through sub space.  I can relate to being in another "space" from playing a guitar. I should not play a guitar and cook at the same time because quite often I enter into another dimension where I am at one with the instrument, oblivious to everything around me. There have been times when I was playing a guitar, entered into "Guitar Space" and then came to while surrounded by others with their eyes popped out, jaws to the floor, and asking me "Where in the fuck did you learn to do that?" while it is something that cannot be taught.

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RE: Master's Space - 7/4/2008 5:54:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think Level has given a pretty good definition of the state in his post.  "Top space" not only rolls off the tongue easier, but it is also more accurate.  It doesn't take a Master to achieve it.  Only basic topping skills during a scene.  Of course, this is being said with My own particular definitions that there is a difference between the two terms.

That part aside, yes, Top space most certainly does exist.  I happen to believe it is very similar to the changes in the brain chemistry that happens to the bottom during sub space, though not brought on by physical impact to the body.  Part of it might come from something similar to "runner's high" which is an altering in the endorphins in the brain from the amount of physical activity.  I've also often wondered if it is also linked to pheromones, but that's probably a bit much for this discussion.  At the same time, I also know that I can "float"  from something as little as a good recollection of a scene that I particularly enjoyed.

I, like Level, often lose a sense of time, when I hit space.  With free reign, a good scene for Me will last two or three hours that will seem like minutes.  When I'm in situations where I'm playing in public, and have limited time at a station, I generally need some form of alert about ten minutes before My alloted time is over, so that I can do a proper cool down before the next person is scheduled to use that space.  I will have forgotten that anyone else exists besides the bottom and Myself.


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RE: Master's Space - 7/4/2008 6:21:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have always thought of it as simply being in the moment.. it is a very zen sort of thing, where I am very focused and aware.  Coming from a theatrical background, I do not only experience this combination of floating, timelessness and  intense concentration when I am in a bdsm scene, but in any scene, on stage or at home.  It is the most incredible experience I have ever had, better than any orgasm, and I am addicted to it.

Unlike subbie space, as my wife calls it, when she loses track of everything, it seems, completely lost in herself (when she comes down she is rarely able to think straight, and sometimes it is quite a while before she can even form words, and she has only vague recall of much of what has taken place), I feel am much more aware of everything around me and though time seems to slip by very quickly, I remember every moment with crystal clarity.  It is the damndest thing that while it is happening hours go by in instants, but in my memory I can stretch every minute out into hours with all the details.. as if replaying it all in slow motion.  I cannot get enough of it.

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RE: Master's Space - 7/4/2008 10:17:56 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Dom space?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1192481/mpage_1/key_dom%252Cspace/tm.htm#1193947
Doms:  Dom space?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_541400/mpage_1/key_top%252Cspace/tm.htm#541409
Domspace...

http://www.collarchat.com/m_392370/mpage_1/key_top%252Cspace/tm.htm#392801
Dom space?  What is it?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_378414/mpage_1/key_domspace/tm.htm#378441
subspace for doms?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_199603/mpage_1/key_topspace/tm.htm#199646
A state of?

Reposted:
Pretty much anything that's been said about subspace, applies to domspace or top space.

So, there's no real universal experience, there's many different types, people go into it for various reasons and through various ways and have various levels of conscious control when it occurs.

I've been with tops who became hyper focused and sensitive and been with doms who might as well have been on acid.

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RE: Master's Space - 7/4/2008 11:05:10 AM   
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RE: Master's Space - 7/4/2008 12:47:32 PM   
HeavansKeeper


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Status: offline 		Don't get me wrong, I've felt the addage "time flies when you're having fun" all too often, but I would think top space is a bit more than that.  An opiate like feeling for tracks of time. 

I've never had runner's high.  I've had "runner's fall to your knees and puke."
I've never had guitar high.  I've had "guitarists' hand cramp."

Perhaps I'm not prone to the switch into the next state of being.

*waits on this plane, holding bags, while everyone else is exploring interdimensional ecstacy*

Edit:

I have no doubt that it would take more experience and time than what I have had... I'll let you know if it happens.

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RE: Master's Space - 7/4/2008 4:01:33 PM   
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quote:

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Perhaps I'm not prone to the switch into the next state of being.

*waits on this plane, holding bags, while everyone else is exploring interdimensional ecstacy*

Edit:

I have no doubt that it would take more experience and time than what I have had... I'll let you know if it happens.


I do not think it is something one is or is not prone to or needs experience for, HeavensKeeper.  I think it is how you approach what you are doing.. so, ok, maybe you do need experience, but it is not something that will come with experience alone.  This is 'play' on a transcendent level.  It comes when you understand your partner, the style of play, and your tools so well that working with them is second nature.  So that instead of thinking about what you are TRYING to do you can disregard the 'trying' part with complete confidence and are able to concentrate on the subtleties of how you are doing it.  Tiny variations in the flick of your wrist.  The different sound of a 'thwack' against flesh that automatically tells you if she is tensing up or completely relaxed, and immediately knowing what to do about that condition.  When these are the things you are thinking about everything becomes somehow magnified.. at least that is how I have experienced it.  I hope that makes sense. (moreover I hope it does not make anyone who has not had this feel somehow inferior.. that was not the purpose of this post.. I am just describing what it is like for MYSELF.. it might be completely different for someone else).

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RE: Master's Space - 7/6/2008 4:09:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find for me its afterwards...I need time for me...because it goes too fast while in the play...and you have to stay so focused ...I tend to drift somewhat later..and don't like louid noises later either...shugs..go figure

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RE: Master's Space - 7/7/2008 8:00:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tormentise

We've all heard the term "sub space." I want to hear about Master's Space.


What some might call "Master" or "Top" space, I simply refer to as me being in the "zone".  It's a point where things simply happen without thought or connection to anything or anyone else but the submissive underneath me.  It's that point where we all are in tune with each other without words being spoken or uttered and time is seemingly suspended.

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RE: Master's Space - 7/7/2008 9:10:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Masters space is My Desk, the time I devote to hobbies or interests.  
On a serious note, I don't hit the same space as subspace unless I'm under a good amount of pain.  That would be perhaps the "Masters Space" you are talking about.   In terms of other things just "Masters Headspace".   Perhaps Dom Drop similar to sub drop.   Yada Yada Yada... blah blah blah... 

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