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RE: Getting your submissive to be quiet - 11/11/2005 9:42:31 AM   
LadyKim


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Keeping the lines of communication open are vital, and a slave/sub needs to feel that he/she can be honest with their Mistress/Master. There should be a specific time set aside to discuss 'desires'; however, a submissive also needs to learn that being submissive is not just about getting THEIR needs met. It is a two way streak.

Something I have done in the past is require a submissive to keep a journal of ideas, thoughts, feelings, and fantasy in a spiral notebook. I also set a specific time, place, and date to discuss these things with him once a month. So, if we are meeting on Friday the 12th at 6pm at Olive Garden, he is to turn his journal over to me for the previous month the week before and begin a new journal. This gives me time to read over what is going on in his subbie mind beforehand, and we can actually DISCUSS rather than deal with reactions. He knows he will have through dinner to discuss his thoughts; however, once after dinner coffee is served his time is up for the month.

If he continues to try to discuss it after that, I place him in a corner in a room I will not be entering once we get home. If he continues after his first 'time out', he is duct taped and bound in a position that causes muscular discomfort so he knows he did this to himself. By not being in the room with him, it deprives him of the attention he is seeking.

Ideas for self pushment.......... stand against a wall with one foot bound to the other knee tightly.

Stand against a wall, feet flat on the floor, holding shoes straight out in front of his chest.

Lie on his back with his heels 6" above the ground (put rice or something grandular under his feet, so you know if he let them down.

kneeling (could have him kneel on something gritty like rice, sandpaper, limbs, etc)

squatting in a small space with something under his butt to let you know if he cheated.

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RE: Getting your submissive to be quiet - 11/11/2005 9:55:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Msfrauline

I honestly thought that I had been listening to him. Some times I just don't understand what he wants. I get most of what he is talking about but he claims that I haven't made the true connection between what he has handed me, complete control, and the ways this could improve my life at the same time making him happy. I would have to agree with that. I truly don't understand how it's an advantage for me to see him do all the chores when I have done "domestic" things my whole life. It's easier just to do it myself than to show him how I want it done.

It doesn't motivate me to control him knowing I can just sit on the couch while he scurries around in an apron and cleans. If this is truly about me then I shouldn't have to bend to his sweaty fantaises about doing house chores. We always end up at this crossroads...me just being dominant in the bedroom which never seems to be enough for him.

Then when he doesn't see things going his way, we have to TALK about it. Hours at a time. I always agree to attempt the things tha he suggests but by weeks end I am back to doing things myself and he gets frustrated becuase I am not being sincere with him.

Our problem is that while we have been married a year and 1/2 we have known each other for four years and I still can't seem to completly wrap my head around a lot of this and take it out of the bedroom. I lose interest within a couple of days and it's just gone. If there's no sexual charge in it for me then there's no interest. I was raised that sexual things say in the bedroom and they arn't suposed to be done in the living rooom etc.


Your husband needs to realize that there is no such thing as "easy domination." Just because you can get him to do all the chores or housework while you sit back and relax does not mean it should be an easy task. See how he feels about him doing all the housework while you go to the mall and have your nails done. What he wants/needs is supervision, affirmation, punishment, and to be kept in a mindset -- he wants you to *dominate* him outside of the bedroom.

He believes that "domination" is easier for you than "doing chores." This is the BIGGEST misconception!

It is actually easier for a woman to do her own chores than have to oversee a man do them -- a man who is looking for some sort of mindset, sexual gratification or fantasy play. You are expected to be a fantasy provider while also making sure the chores get done. Meanwhile, they rarely get done as well, or as quickly, as if you would have just done them yourself.

Domination is a mindset. Even if the femdom is sitting on the couch, she has to mentally be in a certain place and she has to actively engage in subtle cues, observe behaviors and be "involved" in her mate's submission. This requires emotional energy that subs just don't realize. Otherwise, it would be no problem if the submissive did these tasks while the femdom left and did her own thing, and there would be no requirement for her to contantly praise, correct, supervise or punish.

He wants a walking fantasy. He wants you to use a "femdom edge" for everything from "go clean the car" to "pick milk up at the grocery store." He has to realize that adding that femdom edge sucks energy out of you and takes time away from your schedule, and requires that you analyze your own behavior and consciously bend to his will.

This is reverse domination. It causes huge burn out and resentment. It makes a woman lose her spark in the bedroom or for times when she really would love to be dominant. She's so tired of having to be "on" all the time that the bedroom sounds like a great place to sleep, and have fantasies where her control is natural and not forced.

It angers me when subs say "my wife has a goldmine here -- I would do any task, any chore, any thing -- foot rubs, massages, clean the bathrooms, organize her shoes - ANYTHING!" -- but they forget the high price tag that comes with it. He has all these unrealistic NEEDS for her to play a role in order to GET these things from him. And the role he requires isn't just something a woman can snap her fingers and get into -- if anything, she's faking it, and thinking "this is so stupid that I have to act like a bitch to get him to cook a meal."

These men need to realize that there are many, many "vanilla" guys that happily do dishes and clean and cook - - no strings attached and without having to "put on a femdom act." What he is offering you is not a "goldmine" -- it's a request for barter. In his case, the barter is not a fair deal to you because you are getting less "out of it" than you "put into it."

Domination isn't supposed to make your life more complicated and exhaust you emotionally.

Akasha

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RE: Getting your submissive to be quiet - 11/11/2005 10:37:24 AM   
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here's a suggestion. have him put his grievances in wrting and submit it to you with the expressed understanding that You will address the matter in due course and not to discuss the matter until You bring it up...my .02 worth.

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RE: Getting your submissive to be quiet - 11/11/2005 11:05:50 AM   
AAkasha


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quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelMI

here's a suggestion. have him put his grievances in wrting and submit it to you with the expressed understanding that You will address the matter in due course and not to discuss the matter until You bring it up...my .02 worth.


There is a problem with expectations, not communication.
If the sub in this situation is forced to be quiet, he'd probably start expressing frustration through actions, pouting, passive aggressive behaviors, moping, etc.

Akasha

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RE: Getting your submissive to be quiet - 11/11/2005 12:22:42 PM   
LadyAngelika


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quote:

There is a problem with expectations, not communication.


I agree. Recently I read the words of a very wise man. They have helped me and someone I love a lot. Let me share them with you.


Love has no obligations. Fear is full of obligations. We fear we have to do something so we resist it, and we suffer. On the other hand, love has no resistance. We do what we do because we want to.

Love has no expectations. Fear is full of expectations. We blame others for not fulfilling our expectations. When we love, we don't expect something to happen. That is why hardly anything hurts us when we are in love.

Love is based on respect. Fear has no respect, even for itself. Love is ruthless; it doesn't feel sorry for anyone, but it does have compassion. Fear is full of pity; it feels sorry for everyone.

Love is completely responsible. Fear avoids responsibility. Trying to avoid responsibility is one of the biggest mistakes we make because every action has a consequence.

Love is always kind. Fear is always unkind. We feel victimized by everything; we feel angry, sad, jealous or betrayed. These are all masks for fear. But if we are in the track of love, we instead feel generosity and kindness.

Love is unconditional. Fear is full of conditions. In the track of fear, I love you if you let me control you, if you are good to me, if you fit into the image I make for you. In the track of love, there is no if. I love you the way you are, you are free to be the way you are.


from don Miguel Ruiz's The Mastery of Love

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RE: Getting your submissive to be quiet - 11/11/2005 2:03:04 PM   
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Do you enjoy doing domestic chores? And is he any good at them, or does he do a halfway job and think he is done? I suggest www.flylady.com for helpful hints on getting him on a schedule!

Also, do you have any hobbies, or errands you could be running while he is doing the vacuuming? The idea of him doing the work is to free up time for you, so that you can do Other Stuff----whether that is going for a pedicure, taking a nap, or scoring some overtime at work! You should NOT have to be sitting around at home watching him clean---that really IS just catering to a sweaty fantasy.

Ms Francine

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