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RE: Has your sub turned out to be a switch? - 11/15/2005 7:56:52 AM

LaDee

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Hello theRose4U,

Thanks, I like the quote....words of wisdom well said. La'Dee

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RE: Has your sub turned out to be a switch? - 11/15/2005 9:23:32 AM

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Id be truly interested in other couples that have begun in one direction, only to take another path together.

::building up the sandbags to defend against what surely will draw fire::::::

This isn't going to be popualar.. and let me ATTEMPT to preface this with.. "whatever works for you, works for you. I'ts not my place to say what one should or should NOT do."

I don't believe in switches either. You, in your heart, are either dominant or submissive. (To your Partner/Master.whatever). You can't compare it to sexuality.. its apples and oranges..Your either liberal or conservative.. if your both, you're liberal.

You may be a slave, with a sadist streak.. NOT to be confused with being dominant. Masters and slaves (in my world, and I like it here) don't have the luxury of "taking a day off" or "switching roles".. a slave is a slave, and her Master is her Master.. yesterday, today and tomorrow. Now my slave CAN top another slave.. I don't particularly care.. but at the end of the day, at my feet, she knows her place and is secure there..

If you're Dom today, and sub tomorrow.. you can't make up your mind what you are. See for you.. being dom or sub is something you DO.. its not who you ARE. "I" don't have a submissive bone in my body.. Being a Master is not how I behave, or what I "do". Its who I am.. its so deeply embeded in my soul that to remove it, would be to end my existance.

Think.. You can't MASTER someone.. OWN them.. CONSUME them today.. and be their sub tomorrow..

::stacking up more bags::::

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RE: Has your sub turned out to be a switch? - 11/15/2005 10:31:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Webmaster60
::building up the sandbags to defend against what surely will draw fire::::::

There's nothing to draw fire over. You actually stated a very common perspective against switches in a mannerful and personal perspective type fashion. It's nice to have it out in the open. Also, given everything else you've posted, I would have been surprised to have you post anything else.

There's no real use in trying to convince one such as yourself because this is such a personal experience. It's not very polite or accurate to tell others who they can and can't possible be, but it's perfectly within your rights to have the beliefs that you do.

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RE: Has your sub turned out to be a switch? - 11/15/2005 11:24:19 AM

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I’m surprised at the number of people here ready to define others. Poster after poster knows better who others are than they themselves do – switches aren’t really switches – they are either lazy or confused. Doms and subs aren’t really so – they are just switches who are either to cowardly to admit the truth, or too callow and immature to see the truth. I mean really – do you people run around telling other people what kind of food they like, what kind of partner they find attractive?

The worst posts were from Mr. Warren and Kasia.

Mr. Warren may not have meant it the exdact way it came out, but by saying “We older, wiser people know there are only switches” he implies those who don’t hold to that opinion must be immature and unwise. There is nothing grosser in discourse than to say, “I shall not disagree with you based on the merits of case, but by impugning your moral or intellectual capacity. Your motives or origin.” Could we not as easily say that the old are muddled in their wits, incapable of original thought and therefore fall back on easy platitudes like, “Once one gets one's side of the river explored, the other side becomes more and more interesting?” I don’t think that for a moment – I’m merely pointing out that once we move away from the issue to the other person’s character or motives we can’t engage in discourse anymore.

Kasia’s post was far worse – she managed to be smug, offensive, and intellectually flaccid all in one short post. Those who disagree with her are liars who are afraid of their own nature, and thus the more firm their conviction, the more afraid they must be! What Kasia seems to be unable to understand is that she is hoist on her own petard – by shrilly insisting that there are no subs or doms, only switches, she is vulnerable to the same charge: her smug denial of other’s people’s self-identifications must be to compensate for her own insecurity. I mean, after all, Kasia, “When someone is too defensive about something, its usually just the other way around.”

I don’t think I’m more qualified to decide for people who they are than they are. If a person says they are gay, straight, top, Master, boi, man, - I’m not interested in arguing. I have a transgendered friend who was biologically born male. She says she is a women, prefers to be referred to as a woman, so you know what? I don’t have a dog in the fight of telling her who she is. She says she is a bisexual, slave woman – fuckin’ A – she’s a bisexual, slave woman.

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RE: Has your sub turned out to be a switch? - 11/16/2005 3:32:51 AM

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Cor blimey, a veritable hornet nest eh?
easy guys, just wanted some input from other's perspectives, which wont be my perspective. That's the point isnt it. To gather alternative views to those currently held, pick the bits you like, ignore the rest.

You see, this is a reason that i hesitate joining in the public lifestyle. The cages people put themselves into, unecessarily.

AS for Dom's dont get a day off

er, i think they bloody well do, usually lots of em, consequtively and of a mighty high callibre too! Well, mine does. He dont wanna dom, thats cool, i dont wanna sub, tough shit.

hey ho. it appears to me, that some people have dissappeared up their own arseholes in this thread. So im outta here.

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RE: Has your sub turned out to be a switch? - 11/16/2005 12:24:23 PM

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Also, given everything else you've posted, I would have been surprised to have you post anything else.

Yeah ::smiles:: well.. honestly? I'm a creature of reason.. believe it or not, if someone presents something contrary to me, that I can "make sense of".. I usually buy it.
I'm fairly set in my ways, but I've not cut off the fact that we live in a world of endless possibilities.

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There's no real use in trying to convince one such as yourself because this is such a personal experience. It's not very polite or accurate to tell others who they can and can't possible be, but it's perfectly within your rights to have the beliefs that you do.

I had hoped NOT to say that "exactly".. It was my sincere hope to not offend.. I appreciate your response.

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RE: Has your sub turned out to be a switch? - 11/17/2005 11:52:36 AM

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my Daddy and i have been going to the local munch here in FL. Ever month we go we learn that another couple that was Dom/sub is now switching. First it started out with the sub wanting to Dom another person and now the Doms are becoming the subs. I asked my Daddy why that is. He couldn't give me a good answer.

He used to be a sub to his wife who sadly passed away. She told him one day he would need to know how to be a proper Dom and she taught him very well. I am very thankful for her leassons. So I can understanding the learning and exsperimenting and that kind of stuff. But what I have to step back and look at are the Doms that allow the subs to Dom them.

My thoughts is.. If you are Dom one day and then your sub doms you then how are the subs able to just rely on the Dom again for the full suppourt that a Dom gives. I know for me and Daddy if we were to switch it would be really really hard for me to turn to him for strength again.

just my thoughts no need to rant on them just something I was wondering.

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If you're Dom today, and sub tomorrow.. you can't make up your mind what you are. See for you.. being dom or sub is something you DO.. its not who you ARE. "I" don't have a submissive bone in my body.. Being a Master is not how I behave, or what I "do". Its who I am.. its so deeply embeded in my soul that to remove it, would be to end my existance

I fully agree with that quote and even wrote it down. In no way am I a switch. Me not being sub I would be lost and with out direction. I am not confused or missing something and I am not saying switching is wrong. Shoot so many feel that a Daddy/lil girl relationship is wrong but Daddy and I live it just fine.

NBK

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RE: Has your sub turned out to be a switch? - 11/17/2005 12:01:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: NeverBeenKissed
If you are Dom one day and then your sub doms you then how are the subs able to just rely on the Dom again for the full suppourt that a Dom gives

This assumes that subs don't give support as well, and that you can't support eachother as you are. Lots of dominants rely on their subs for support.

Dominants are just people, they have no innate special powers that no one of any other orientation has. What matters is how you relate to them. I understand your perspective and that you wouldn't be happy as a switch and push special powers on dominants that submissives don't have in your relationships. But not everyone does that.

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RE: Has your sub turned out to be a switch? - 11/17/2005 4:41:41 PM

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In a loving relationship both people are always relying on each other for support. It does not matter who is Dom or who is sub in the end. It is how much one respects the other and interacts with that person.

Since I Identify myself as a switch let me say a few things. I am happy with who I am, the way I am. I did not pick to be a switch, it just happened when I started learning about myself many years ago. Guess what...........still learning. I did not label myself to fit into a box of terms that other people use to identify and classify people.

When I sub, I learn the best. I will not try something with a sub that I have not tried or had done to me first. I lean towards Dom more than anything. But there are times when I, as a person, feel the need to let go of the power and responsibilities that I have and put myself under another's care and love. If I have a sub and she does not switch, ok no problem but I am honest with her, If she does not feel right topping me, then I will ask another to top me. That way I am still her Dom, I give her that which she seeks, and I can still unwind and let someone take control of me once in a while. I respect my sub and by being honest, I would hope she respects me in return.

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RE: Has your sub turned out to be a switch? - 11/22/2005 7:12:27 AM

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When I sub, I learn the best. I will not try something with a sub that I have not tried or had done to me first. I lean towards Dom more than anything. But there are times when I, as a person, feel the need to let go of the power and responsibilities that I have and put myself under another's care and love. If I have a sub and she does not switch, ok no problem but I am honest with her, If she does not feel right topping me, then I will ask another to top me. That way I am still her Dom, I give her that which she seeks, and I can still unwind and let someone take control of me once in a while. I respect my sub and by being honest, I would hope she respects me in return.

I think there may be part of the problem.. as a "dom/top" or sub/bottom", do you feel this is something you "do" at the moment, or is one of them "who you are"?

Being a Master is so deeply in my weave that I could BE nothing else.. Same as a slave. If a girl IS a "slave", can she be anything else? WIll her belly respond to other things?
To me, a slave is a creature that MUST serve.. its not something that she wants (many don't) but its something she MUST do.. she cannot be happy unless serving another and being found pleasing IN her service..

THoughts?

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