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Termyn8or -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 7:59:25 AM)

Perhaps I was too quick with the petroleum connection. The dinosaurs died millions of years ago. But that is where the plastic connection comes from, just so you know. Petroleum is used in the manufacture of plastic, therefore it is an animal product in a sense.

And as for the minerals and nutrients, in my database which contains some very useful information on essential minerals, just about every source for these minerals is proceeded by the statement that "content depends on the soil in which it is grown".

If you decide to go vegatarian, be aware that certain types of people's body chemistry do not take well to it. We are not all the same. But there are a few constants.

If your body can deal with being vegetarian, remember this, you are going to need a wide variety of foods to stay healthy. You cannot stay healthy on potatoes and rice.

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Venatrix -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 9:53:52 AM)

You know, it just astonishes me the ignorance the average person has about vegetarian diets. On a regular basis I eat the following cuisines: Thai, Japanese, Afghan, Chinese, Indian, Moroccan, Middle Eastern, Italian, Greek, Persian, Turkish, British, French, German, Hungarian, Indonesian, Mexican, Latin American, Vietnamese, and Ethiopian.  And when I get bored with that, I go for something really exotic, like a veggie burger and chips.

I find the vast majority of meat-eaters to be very limited in the range of food that they eat, and consequently think vegetarians are even more limited.  There are dishes that I haven't eaten in years because I'm so busy trying new things.  And all of these meals come out of my kitchen, so it's not like I have to track down hard-to-find restaurants.   



ownedgirlie -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 10:08:41 AM)

I'm loving all the replies so far, thanks for all the contributions!

I didn't really intend for a veggie vs. meat debate, though, althougth I understand the sentiments behind both.  My grandmother lived to the age of 97 and ate meat daily, chased down with a glass of wine.  :)  Whatever peoples' reasoning behind what they eat is their personal choice, and I respect that.  What interests me most is what they avoid and for what purpose?

And .dark., I don't know about different types of veal. Can you share that here?

Thanks!



Venatrix -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 10:24:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you


Basically it comes down to family genes, some people will have heart disease no matter what they eat, some people won't.  My family eats everything, and everyone in my family has lived into their 90's




Maybe, maybe not.  My brother ate a standard (rubbishy) Western diet and had already had three stents put in by the age of 53, with a blood-pressure and cholesterol level that were off the charts.  Given that our genetic material is pretty much the same, I wouldn't rely on the genetic argument as an excuse for eating a pile of crap. 



cjan -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 10:26:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

You know, it just astonishes me the ignorance the average person has about vegetarian diets. On a regular basis I eat the following cuisines: Thai, Japanese, Afghan, Chinese, Indian, Moroccan, Middle Eastern, Italian, Greek, Persian, Turkish, British, French, German, Hungarian, Indonesian, Mexican, Latin American, Vietnamese, and Ethiopian.  And when I get bored with that, I go for something really exotic, like a veggie burger and chips.

I find the vast majority of meat-eaters to be very limited in the range of food that they eat, and consequently think vegetarians are even more limited.  There are dishes that I haven't eaten in years because I'm so busy trying new things.  And all of these meals come out of my kitchen, so it's not like I have to track down hard-to-find restaurants.   


So true. People are often short sighted in many ways, diet being one. Most of the world eats little animal protein because of their culture and local conditions. Howver, it is a mistake to think that they have not developed delicious cuisines of their own. It's just part of being human, imo Everyone loves to eat as well as they can and wonderful cuisines have evolved because of that fact, animal protein or not.



housesub4you -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 10:28:01 AM)

Well at least I don't come off as holier than thou.

To each there own, I was just stating the facts as they relate to me and my experience.

My Doctor states I'm in great health and see's no reason to change my diet or my lifestyle



Venatrix -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 10:36:12 AM)

I haven't eaten meat, chicken, or fish in over 25 years.  I haven't eaten eggs in ten years, though I suspect small amounts sneak into food when I eat out.  I prefer soy milk, though I will occasionally eat small amounts of cheese.

I try to avoid animal by-products, but that isn't always realistic.  I find that a lot of people take the attitude that because they can't do it all they won't bother doing anything.  I simply try to do as much as I can.  The thing that I find interesting is how defensive meat-eaters get about eating meat.  It's as if they know it's wrong, but can't bring themselves to find the fortitude to give it up, so they become a bit obnoxious about it.  Reminds me of people trying to defend slavery in the 19th century.

I recommend reading a book by Gail Eisnitz, called "Slaughterhouse."  I believe it has won several awards for journalistic merit.  It's pretty gruesome, though.  Talks about how they blowtorch pigs off the sides of the slaughterhouse transport vehicles when the pigs freeze to the sides of them in winter.  To try to explain the vast number of ethical, environmental, and health reasons for my choosing to eat this way would take way more time than I have available, but kudos to you for asking and trying to understand.



mistoferin -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 10:36:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix
I wouldn't rely on the genetic argument as an excuse for eating a pile of crap. 


Are you defining crap as anything that contains meat? Your posts really do seem as though you are disgusted by anyone who eats meat.



Venatrix -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 10:38:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well at least I don't come off as holier than thou.

To each there own, I was just stating the facts as they relate to me and my experience.

My Doctor states I'm in great health and see's no reason to change my diet or my lifestyle


That wasn't my intention.  It sounds like you're getting a bit defensive, which, as I just stated above, seems to be fairly common amongst meat-eaters.  The OP opened the topic for discussion.  If you don't like the answers, perhaps you might like to peruse other threads? 



mistoferin -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 10:39:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

The thing that I find interesting is how defensive meat-eaters get about eating meat.  It's as if they know it's wrong, but can't bring themselves to find the fortitude to give it up, so they become a bit obnoxious about it.  Reminds me of people trying to defend slavery in the 19th century.


Wow. Kind of like the way you are being obnoxious about it? Just for the record...some of us don't think it's wrong. I know...major surprise there huh? So it's not a question of fortitude. Nor do we think it is anything at all like slavery. Actually, I think that is an amazingly big leap that doesn't make one lick of sense at all.



housesub4you -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 10:50:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well at least I don't come off as holier than thou.

To each there own, I was just stating the facts as they relate to me and my experience.

My Doctor states I'm in great health and see's no reason to change my diet or my lifestyle


That wasn't my intention.  It sounds like you're getting a bit defensive, which, as I just stated above, seems to be fairly common amongst meat-eaters.  The OP opened the topic for discussion.  If you don't like the answers, perhaps you might like to peruse other threads? 



Perhaps one should look in the mirror and re-read their own responses before you start telling people they are being defensive.

I simply stated my health with eating meat compared to yours.  No better no worse.  I'm happy eating everything, I don't feel guilt from the diet I choose to eat.  I'm quite happy with it.






LaTigresse -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 10:57:31 AM)

Using fast reply........

I fully support anyone choosing to eat however they wish. That is a great deal more than can be said for some people that choose to eat a non animal product diet.

I am certainly not defensive. Quite simply because I honestly feel I have nothing to defend. It doesn't bother me a bit to wack a chicken's head off. Cut a lamb's throat or shoot a steer or deer. For me it isn't gruesome, it is part of life.

Now, if my being comfortable with those things offends people. They don't have to watch it or eat at my table. Quite simple really.



cjan -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 11:22:36 AM)

What a woman, LaT. *sighs*

Anyway, coming from the "Men and their Dicks" thread to here, reading about lopping off chicken heads kinda squicks me out, yanno ?



christine1 -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 11:47:49 AM)

i'm a carnivore to the bone.  i dont' promote animal cruelty in the least but i do eat them and i eat organic when i can buy it.  i've dallied in the vegetarian diet and it is fine and good but i like a little meat as well.

a few months ago i happened across a website that showed animals being skinned alive and being slaughtered in very inhumane ways..it was disguisting and it made me lose a few nights sleep.  that is the reason i buy organic when i can, it isn't offered a lot where i live but it's gaining popularity.



Venatrix -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 11:50:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Venatrix
I wouldn't rely on the genetic argument as an excuse for eating a pile of crap. 


Are you defining crap as anything that contains meat? Your posts really do seem as though you are disgusted by anyone who eats meat.


Not at all.  But take a look at the standard Western diet: it's high in fat, it's high in cholesterol, it's high in sodium, it's high in sugar.  It's possible to have all of these in a vegetarian diet, but the fact remains that the vast majority of people with diet-related health problems are meat eaters, not vegetarians.  I'm not particularly sympathetic to people who make a big production of how they don't want to give up eating meat because it tastes sooooo good, then want everyone to feel sorry for them when they wind up on the operating table with a heart attack.  If I'm disgusted by anything, it's a lack of personal responsibility.  That goes for people who lie out in the sun and get skin cancer, smokers who get lung cancer, and alcoholics who get liver cancer.



Venatrix -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 11:54:06 AM)

Yes, but the fact is all of you people who saying you aren't defensive are still trying to justify the way you eat.  If you're happy eating that way, why are you still talking about it?  I was trying to provide information with my posts.  I'm not seeing many of you doing that, just a general sense of huffiness.  In any case, some of us have jobs to go to, so bon appétit, everyone. 



housesub4you -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 12:04:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

Yes, but the fact is all of you people who saying you aren't defensive are still trying to justify the way you eat.  If you're happy eating that way, why are you still talking about it?  I was trying to provide information with my posts.  I'm not seeing many of you doing that, just a general sense of huffiness.  In any case, some of us have jobs to go to, so bon appétit, everyone. 


You mean like you are?

Well you will find many of us have jobs, no we have careers. 



camille65 -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 12:06:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

Yes, but the fact is all of you people who saying you aren't defensive are still trying to justify the way you eat.  If you're happy eating that way, why are you still talking about it?  I was trying to provide information with my posts.  I'm not seeing many of you doing that, just a general sense of huffiness.  In any case, some of us have jobs to go to, so bon appétit, everyone. 


You aren't providing information, you are providing your opinion.
Another thing you are providing is a hostile atmosphere towards anyone who eats meat.



housesub4you -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 12:11:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

In any case, some of us have jobs to go to, so bon appétit, everyone. 


Your profile says you are taking time off from working.  Huh, go figure



ModeratorEleven -> RE: A question for Vegans & Vegitarians re: animal products (7/8/2008 12:29:29 PM)

Folks, please settle down.

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