Thadius
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You know Thadius when You compare our young Republics path to the Constitution,You leave out the part where we cast off the yoke of mad king George ourselves ...we owned our revolution ...we did not have it thrust upon us by an invading army....apples and oranges don't compare so well...sort of like comparing a deployment to Iraq with being stationed in Korea and Germany
So the French and other European support had nothing to do with our being able to cast off that yoke and stand on our own feet? I find that to be awfully hard to believe. I sincerely appreciate the French Navy, and advisors on the ground for all of their sacrifices.
Did we not also invade (using your word) Germany, and have maintained a fighting force there for over half a century now? How is Iraq different? Perhaps you are right, I am confused on my history. It wouldn't be the first time.
Edited to add: We made promises to certain folks during Desert Storm, that if they wanted to overthrow Hussein, that we would support them. They stood up to fight, and we (because of political decistions) came home. Those that rose up were slaughtered, tortured, watched their women be raped, and a whole slew of other travesties. Anyways, that is enough of my ranting.
I'll try this again ,WE OWNED OUR REVOLUTION..we precipitated it and nurtured our yearnings for freedom ourselves.Than You go on to compare the moral imperative of liberating Europe and bringing an end to Hitler's Nazi regime to the murky search for WMD in Iraq...you remember WMD's right the reason we Invaded(my word ,what word would You have me use)Far be it from me to say Your confused...Your analogys certainly are....and as for Your P.S.wouldn't be the first time we didn't keep our promises and that truly sucks ,but this is the real world with all sorts of geopolitical ramifications to all we do and ,actually ,all we don't do...and to suggest we are simply living up to past promises is to not be honest with one's self wouldn't You agree
Let's try to break this down a bit. I didn't compare the morals for entering either WWII or Iraq, you are projecting that into the debate yourself. We are there, if you wish to cry over spilled milk, that of course is your right, my point is more to the Now that we are there, and have spent the blood and treasure of this country what are we going to do. Regardless of who is elected in this next election we will be entering into a status of forces agreement, and will have our men and women on the ground for years to come; there is no point in ignoring this simple truth.
But for the sake of discussion, let me point out a few other things.
When exactly was the end of the Desert Storm war? I seem to remember a cease-fire agreement, that went pretty much ignored. Release of Kuwaiti POWs, payment for damages, no fly zones, inspections, etc... etc... How many bombs did Clinton drop? Let's not forget about the slew of missiles fired, and engagements with aircraft. Weren't those because of said cease-fire agreement? Where did the idea of Iraq having WMDs come from? Possibly from the fact that we sold them to them, and trained them in how to make them as a deterant to Iran? Oh, and also the fact that the ex-dictator actually used them, on his own people. So clearly there is some moral imperative for us being there, or perhaps I am just looking at things the wrong way.
You are absolutely correct that our actions and inactions have geopolitical consequences. Khadafi seems to be playing nice these days. Hamas is pissed off because they lost one of their benefactors, Hussein was paying a bounty to families of suicide bombers. The list goes on and on.
What I posted here is not because of political reasons, I am posting here because I am not naive enough to believe that Obama or anybody else that might get elected is going to pull all of the troops out of Iraq, much less the moving timeline they have used to win their respective primaries.
Honestly, if either of the major party candidates is elected we are going to get the status quo, with some differences in tax policy.
Just my opinions,
Thadius
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