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NeedingMore220 -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/8/2008 7:53:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper Kids need a strong warning that if they jam their face into AIM and Collarme forums [:D] they will miss the world. Bipolarber, we must remember that this is some 700 years in space, ~10 captains. I would expect 25 generations of living on a cruise ship would do that. Hell, I put on 2 pounds a day on an Earth cruise ship. *So long as your verb isn't fuck, steal, smoke, or die. And see, that's one thing that bugged me about the movie. My kids are constantly 'getting the message' about healthy living from the school system. They're not allowed to bring in cupcakes on their birthdays because some kids have no discipline at home and are overweight and they don't want them to get even fatter at school. Ugh. It just so happens my kids are very healthy, athletic and well-adjusted kids - because they've been raised that way. I hate having movies try and do my job for me. It's annoying. I wanted to be entertained, to laugh, to be emotional about the cute robot. But I was just annoyed. lol

pollux -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/8/2008 8:20:17 PM)
Saw this last week. Loved it, esp. the first 40 minutes. Once the action moves onto the spaceship, I thought things got kind of manic and Disney-fied and a little hard to follow, actually. Great score and a very cool Peter Gabriel tune at the end, too. I've listened to it like 65 times in two weeks. Apparently, iTunes is keeping track :)

Vendaval -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/8/2008 9:24:50 PM)
I did not like this movie much. The subject matter did not seem to fit with the animation style and the mood was very uneven. The best part was the soundtrack.

bipolarber -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/8/2008 9:34:22 PM)
Ah, but you do have to admit, the short at the beginning... "Presto!" ...was almost worth the price of admission alone... (When in doubt, hurt the neglectful magician!)

lostgirl83 -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/8/2008 9:35:00 PM)
I took my 4yr old to see this when it came out... he actually loved it! I do agree though, the lack of dialogue made it hard for him to follow (even harder for me because I had to keep answering his questions "why is he doing that, why won't eve answer him, what is he doing, why are all the people fat..." it goes on...) BUT with explanation he seemed to catch onto the general concept of the movie. I think a lot of the kids in the theater were a bit bored however.

Emperor1956 -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/8/2008 9:45:53 PM)
It was cute. We went as two adults on the recommendation of our adult professional theater daughter. No kids, and didn't really look at it as a kids' movie. Not revolutionary, but cute. Three things: 1. Did anyone else find irony in that it is a tale of technology overtaking humanity (in part) that could only be told using incredible technology? 2. (SPOILER ALERT): How quickly did you link the evil autopilot to HAL? Its there, from the very first time the autopilot comes into view. 3. The best thing in the movie was the artwork underneath the final credits. A recapitulation of the entire history of human graphic design in about 3 minutes, using only images! I want to see that WITHOUT all the words scrolling across. E.

NeedingMore220 -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/8/2008 9:46:51 PM)
Presto was great - very clever. I'd like to see that again!

Vendaval -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/9/2008 12:25:09 AM)
"Presto" was fun, reminded me of Looney Tunes.

curiouspet55 -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/9/2008 7:47:23 AM)
I loved it! My favorite character had to be the anal retentive cleaning 'mo' robot. It pretty much made my day. I thought it was interesting how the movie ended up being somewhat silent and in part satirical on how America's culture is. Overall, I'd give it an A.

petitesoumise -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/9/2008 9:15:23 AM)
quote: Presto was great - very clever. I'd like to see that again! You can find Presto on Itunes!

NeedingMore220 -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/9/2008 9:46:31 AM)
Thank you so much for that info! It's now on my 'download' list. [:)]

petitesoumise -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/9/2008 11:57:38 AM)
No Prob!!! Its such a cute short

HeavansKeeper -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/9/2008 3:56:39 PM)
About media trying to raise your kids (properly): I really don't like the system using negative methods, like not allowing cupcakes anywhere. In fact, I'm a pro cupcake sorta guy, all the time. I don't mind positive messages. Suggestions that are good. Shakespeare said "Art imitates life, imitates art, imitates life..." While I'm not sure I agree, I feel art does a large part of raising children. Whether its the paintings that they see, or the books they read, (or more likely) the cartoons and movies they watch, and the music they hear, they will take something from that. The mind cannot have items passed through it and remain 100% unchanged, especially in children. (SPOILER ALERT): How quickly did you link the evil autopilot to HAL? Its there, from the very first time the autopilot comes into view. The big red eye, automatically. I turned to My Pet and said "HAL?". She said "... No, we just ate!" I'll agree with Pollux... The Earth scenes were really cute. I really liked when he found the diamond ring, but tossed it out to keep the pillowed case.

NeedingMore220 -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/9/2008 5:04:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper I really don't like the system using negative methods, like not allowing cupcakes anywhere. In fact, I'm a pro cupcake sorta guy, all the time. Then we would most definitely get along. lol quote: I don't mind positive messages. Suggestions that are good. Shakespeare said "Art imitates life, imitates art, imitates life..." While I'm not sure I agree, I feel art does a large part of raising children. Whether its the paintings that they see, or the books they read, (or more likely) the cartoons and movies they watch, and the music they hear, they will take something from that. The mind cannot have items passed through it and remain 100% unchanged, especially in children. You're right. Probably everything they watch and read has messages - even the stupid 1/2 hour sitcoms have problems resolved in the most pc-way possible. lol I just like it done in a more subtle way when I'm watching something. Finding Nemo had so many nice messages, and yet I didn't realize it at the time I was watching it. Wall-E lost me when they focused on the humans. I was thoroughly charmed by the animation and subtlety of the robot scenes, with my favorites being the opening and the fire extinguisher 'dance.'

SteelofUtah -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/16/2008 10:36:54 AM)
andi and I saw this last night. I consider myself a Movie Buff and when I managed a Blockbuster I had a special program with some 45 customers that they didn't get to pick thier own movies I picked them for them and they were happy. I do not consider myself an expert nor do I fully grasp Cinematic Theroy but I know what I like and what I don't Mind you Disney is usually NOT for kids. In fact one of the Rules of a Disney Movie is that there MUST be some Dramatic Flaw or Termoil of the Main Character or overall in the film. Most Disney Movies have someone Die in them, or the Child is from a Broken Home or an Orphan, There is ALWAYS a Villan and the Villan is always a reflection of Humanity in some way or represents one or many of the 7 deadly sins. As for WALL-E, I LOVED IT! I do not believe it was a movie for kids at all as nearly 70% of the Jokes were subtle and Adult orineted. Making it difficult for children to relate. It reminded me of Toy Story 2 where you would find the Adults Laughing and the Kids Quiet or the Kids Laughing and the Adults Laughing, I also stand by the belief that TS2 was in some ways inappropriate for kids only saved because most of the kids didn't know why it was funny to the adults. In WALL-E what I found funny is that the Villan is US, Literally you and me for treating the earth in such a way. I also love that the Planet is Surrounded by Millions of Satalites ands from space Earth Looks like the Smelly Planet and that the Moon has a Stip Mall Coming Soon, The Imagry that they show on the Axiom is that Humans in General go to the extreme when it comes to Ease. The major visuals that many people seem to have missed is that Robots were maintaining thier own tasks and had made human enteraction unnecessary, WALL-E fixes himself Many times, Even EVE had to have her programming completed and a Robot Programmed her. As For Auto Pilot I got a cross between HAL and The Ship From "Flight of the Navigator" before it took in the kids brain and became Pee Wee Herman. In the End it was a wonderful Story about the further we get away from Humanity and the closer we get to Technology the easier it is to forget the earth, the easier it is to forget basic human interaction. I love that the Robot who had been all alone except for his Cockraoch for 700 years seriously impacted the lives of everyone Human and Robot that he came into contact with. I think it is a great movie and I think more Adults should watch it and stop wanting it to be a Pacifier for thier children, this movie was directed at you as the adult. Come on HELLO DOLLY is the Background Concept of the movie. I will be buying it. Steel

NeedingMore220 -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/16/2008 12:59:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah I think it is a great movie and I think more Adults should watch it and stop wanting it to be a Pacifier for thier children, this movie was directed at you as the adult. Come on HELLO DOLLY is the Background Concept of the movie. Hey .. to each his own, but I just wanted to be clear - I didn't want it to be a pacifier for my kids. I wanted them to be able to appreciate a Pixar movie ... in the same way they love Toy Story and others like Finding Nemo. It was marketed to kids .. hence all the line of toys and the previews at all the kiddie movies.

SteelofUtah -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/16/2008 1:06:17 PM)
I agree it was Marketed to kids as kids get the parents to buy the products however the movie was directed at the Adults wanting for YOU to think. And so you know the part you quoted was not directed at you, it was from what many of the adults are commenting on. In St George they did this thing on the local channel asking the parents what they thought about it and they all were commenting about how most of it the children didn't get. Pixar has a LONG history and although what made them famous was stuff for children thier early works were VERY technical and I think they were very happy to get back to some of that with WALL-E. Steel

NeedingMore220 -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/16/2008 1:10:41 PM)
Oh, I didn't take it personally, Steel. I just know a lot of parents who get pissed off taking their kids to see a movie that's way over their heads and boring to boot. [:)] Pixar has gotten enough of my dollars in the honest way. It reminded me of the ... oh, Lord, the horror ... the Pokemon movies that my son just HAD to see...but in that case at least I knew I was going to be paying for an $8 nap. This one, I really thought I'd enjoy as well as the little ones. You know, a good family film. Technically it was breathtaking, as Pixar films always are. But honestly ... movies which carry a strong agenda, which to me was preaching to the choir, just smack of being smug to me. Like I said... different strokes. I know a some young adults who really enjoyed it.

bipolarber -> RE: WALL-E (Posts May Contain Spoilers) (7/16/2008 1:34:48 PM)
Yeah, "message" movies can be such a bore... "Wizard of Oz" with that whole "If you don't find it in your own back yard..." crap, or "The 10 Commandments" trying to push it's "judeo-Christian opinion-as-fact agenda" down the viewer's throats... or how about that peice of "Star Wars" trash, eh? Luke turns off his computer and "trusts the Force" in the end... all that tech to tell an anti-technology themed story! Sacrasm... yup. A little goes a long way. The more I reflect on Wall-E, the more I think of it being an "eh" movie... frankly, I think I could have written a better third act. But the first 2/3 of the movie were outstanding. What I would have done differently: I would have tossed the idea of the auto pilot as villian. Instead, I would have had some of the crew actually conflicted about if they should go back to Earth or not. (Let's face it, trying to survive on a world that only had one plant on it is a little premature...) Secondly, after Wall-E ends up getting damaged, the could have had Eve nursing him back to his old self... and we would have seen the Earth be brought back from the brink in a series of glimpses. (Much the way we see Robocop being built, in that early 80's flick.) But that's just me...

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