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jamesthehumanrug -> reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 3:33:44 AM)

i'm afraid it is my opinion ,that a top is far more important ,and, far more the concern, than ones' own opinion ,as a slave, in my personal experience.
i would be afraid, of offending ,or loosing, or hurting the top publically ,with my doggard opinion ,and ,hence my bottom opinions are told, to be voiced or best not ....a top may be the president; did you ever think ,of that??????????,in that case :you have, to ask, for permission, to speak ,and, it better be important....it's already ",understood "you (slave) have opinions.
someone emailed me nov. 10, from here ,and ,then, put a "does'nt like recipient", on reply ,so i have, to post it here.
no i would, not have an opinion, if my dom. were, over me, and, said no don't
have one, unless ,of course ....
it included her; her welfare; safety, or reputation- defense ,and, rights.
behind every great slave is a greater dom
,so, if you are a great slave -you must have a greater, or ,at least equal
dom ,or leaks ,and, problems will happen...,insubordination.you don't want to make fun, of a top no matter who ,by you're ",insubordination".always know your chain ,of command ,too, and ,act accordingly, or you ,and ,youre opinion are improper first ,and ,content will have ,to be ,then
very jusutified, ....if ,not deleated altogether.
you're lucky, in one way ,at least your top tells you how they feel ,if you
say your opinion, or not.
some will never say ,and ,just move, on like you're imperfect ,when i'm sure ....
all the time
you really were thinking ,of them while voicing,
but each slave has a place ,so make sure your place is'nt taken ,nor is it
"possible" for your special place ,to be taken.it's hard, to keep yourself and your space clean, if some ,other slave, or slaves can ,and ,do take your place while you're ,out!
respectfully submitted
james the human rug
oh ya i learned, about "belladonna "(see it ,in your emailname) aka deadly-nightshade,and, abduction ,in the late mid 70s
does ,that mean im older or what....
did you ever find, out ,about the "school -house effect" a drug called atropine ,(a common used drug-found in every dentists office),if you are given that by a top; you wont soon ever ,forget it ...,just
gotta keep your head ,and, respect ,or you would be the sorry one, in the
end.
i kid you ,not :you'll never get ,to the top ,with opinions.i do, follow my own politics, of experience,and,i do take full responsibility, for my own behavior....thankyou.i had the best "tops",(dominant women), in the universe....i feel they died ,for me, it should'nt ever have happened ,and, i would do the same,if i could.
in answer to :[email protected] wrote:
Belladonna82 at 11/10/2005 9:07:33 PM

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Are slaves allowed opinions
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Greetings Master,Mistress and fellow slaves.....

Through out my postings with people on here and my r/t experiences
people get angry that Master allows me opinions...yes Master always has the
final say but, my opinions are always kept ,in mind.Recently on anouther
board someone said that i was, not a slave, for simple fact Master allows
me certain freedoms...like a opinion( as long as before i voice it i
talk to him about it) and the ability to, put my two cents in the outside
world conversations as long as done politely, and with hard facts. Yet
they say a slave is only a little person on her hands and, knees all the
time....i belive this to be wrong...anyones elses thought would be
greatly welcomed.





LadiesBladewing -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 4:31:45 AM)

Perhaps this is a difference in owning long term vs. topping for a brief session. As an owner, looking to build a long-term relationship, having a servant with opinions (and the capacity to -express- those opinions in a pleasant, constructive manner) is important. I -want- someone with whom I can have a decent conversation, and someone who, even if they don't know about a certain subject, can listen, gather details, and be able to shape an opinion. If I were in a short-term, scene-related situation, it is possible that having a bottom who was constantly offering opinions would be annoying and would impair the flow of the session.

The way it works for me is that I want my servants to be able to think, but I am also looking to spend time with my servants for -years-. Even so, whether they express those thoughts verbally, or how deeply they are encouraged to do so depends, frankly, on my mood. If I am feeling conversational, we might have a rather involved discussion. If I am not in the mood, they might be told to be quiet and just do as they are told. In both cases, I welcome that they -have- an opinion... I just may not want to hear it.

Having an opinion does not have to mean that a servant is insubordinate, disobedient, or attempting to control the situation. Frankly, it is up to the dominant individual to determine whether or not xhe wants to hear what a servant has to say, and as long as the servant is respectful in the presentation of his or her thoughts, and knows when to be quiet when the dominant individual expresses that xhe's heard enough, having a thoughtful, pleasant, and intellectually aware servant is a joy.

Lady Zephyr




thetammyjo -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 5:06:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jamesthehumanrug
(some confusing stuff removed so I can focus my comment)

no i would, not have an opinion, if my dom. were, over me, and, said no don't
have one, unless ,of course ....


Of course you have opinions.
How to share them is the real question isn't it?

quote:


i kid you ,not :you'll never get ,to the top ,with opinions.i do, follow my own politics, of


*Looks at Fox kneeling next to her computer as she types*

Wow, I really strongly disagree based on my experience.

I've tried the "I have nothing you don't give me" slave/submissive -- BORING
I've tried the "You have to break me" slave/submissive -- TIRING

I am happiest when my slaves are strong willed, goal focused, well educated (or getting education), and opinionated individuals. When they kneel at my feet, when they suffer for my amusement, my oh my, what a wonderful thrill that is.

Opinions aren't the real problem, are they? Isn't the issue really how those opinions are expressed?




shylittleheart -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 5:53:05 AM)

Isn't the issue really how those opinions are expressed?

That is the real question..........
I have opinions and do express them with respect to my Master. What Master or Mistress on this earth wants a sub or slave who is as boring as a doormat. We are of more value then to wipe ones dirty shoes on. One values those who have something worth while to give to a relationship.

This is my opinion,
shy




lonewolf05 -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 6:18:39 AM)

i would venture a guess,...just maybe, i might be stepping out of turn here on this one,..
but! (you know there is always a but! coming don't ya?)

it is of my considered opinion........and experience......
every situation is different as day and night.........
as to my personal view on this.........
"I" of course have my opinions and feelings as a human being on most anything you can come up with. it is very seldom i do not have an immediate response to something. i was taught to call-the-shots off-the-cuff, on the move, as you go. it's the ADULT thing TO do.

and so far........both of my real time Owners allow me my feelings, .(my 1st in calif and my 2nd now in Wi) .whether they like how i see it or not. and i make sure i voice my feelings all day and all night............from the moment i get up to when i go to bed.......i am not about to just keep quiet because some Domme said so.
i feel as Her-boy, i have-to voice what is going on, just in-case something goes wrong She did not plan on and foresee. i AM older than She is, from a whole different generation AND a different class. i am blue collar. She is white collar.

i do believe if ANYONE ever told me to keep quiet i would have-to-be-----in-their-face and tell them where the bear shit in the woods because it is not anyone else's place to make judgement on that. i am NOT going to allow anyone "I" know to make a mistake that "I" see coming and wait for them to fall into danger.....financially (if something is going to cost you more money) physical harm,....and/or emotional issues.
you ever have any project last longer than you wanted it to? you ever have a project cost more than you guessed? it CAN cause someone to be upset emotionally....and financially.
you ever have a project go wrong and someone get hurt physically?

sorry if i upset anyone here but i figure this keep-quiet thing is for sheer idiots that feel they walk on water........and i have YET to find one single person on this planet that knows-it-all.!!!!
AND--------my ole pappy taught ME not to speak unless ya know what the hell you are talking about. i speak from EXPERIENCE on most anything "I" come across. i am a jack of all trades.....i know a little about a lot of things.........from doing lawn service and the roof and eave-spouts to household maintenence and care---to doing Her nails and hair........
if i know about 'a' topic i AM going to speak-up-------
if they don't take my advice and something goes wrong,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,heyyyyyyyyyyyyy
i told you so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i may be dumb sometimes but i'm NOT stupid-----contrary to public opinion polls.!!

wolf
have a good day ya'all





Phoenxx -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 6:37:45 AM)

quote:

i'm afraid it is my opinion ,that a top is far more important ,and, far more the concern, than ones' own opinion ,as a slave, in my personal experience.


If I understand this right, this person is saying in thier opinion, slaves cannot have opinions? That about sums that up LOL

There are some Tops that seem to want no opinion, total mindless slaves. Funny there are people like that in the vanilla world too. But most of us are seeking a relationship that fills all our needs. And that includes mental.

Yes slaves has opinions. And most Doms love to hear them. It's in how it's voiced that matters. Hey fella I want this is a bad way. Master I would like to try ... is not ;-)
Tony




hawk58 -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 6:50:09 AM)

W/we agree with TheTammyjo- door mats are boring, adn the break me slaves are tiring.

Master Hawk says He "wants a thinking slave, who isnt afraid to use her brain for more than a hat rack." Opinions and casual, intelligent conversation are strongly encouraged. But again, its all in the HOW those opinions are voiced, and when..

Another thing He has often said "Be sure the brain is engaged before the mouth gets put into gear." (think before you speak)

-dove




TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 6:54:20 AM)

When I contract a slave, one of the first things I tell them is my expectation for following orders. When I give an order, I expect that the slave will follow one of two paths: listen, analyze, obey OR listen, analyze, question, obey.

Any slave who serves me is required to bring all of their mental acquity to the relationship. I do not take service from those who cannot think. I expect them to use their intelligence to make my life easier, and would not abide with a slave who followed blindly.

I am not perfect (as those who know me would gladly attest *smile*), and I expect those around me to make up for some of my flaws.

Taggard




stef -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 7:10:06 AM)

You better watch out, you might lose your LordMasterDom ranking by saying things like that.

The council is *always* watching...

~stef




Larry862 -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 7:38:28 AM)

I agree with most Doms on this post. I expect communication from any slave/sub under me. But I do require it be done with respect. Also, when online that they remember thier position and treat others with respect as their words and actions are a reflection of myself. Does that mean they call everyone Sir or Master or do everything some other Dom instructs them to. Of course not, but even that can be stated with respect. Such as "my Master does not allow me to call anyone else Sir or Master" or "i am only allowed to take actiopns stated by my Master or from those Master has instructed me to obey" Do not make statements or ask questions that could be embarrassing to the Dom/Master. Like "when Master was doing this, this happened, was he doing it right or what?" that kind of question posed to anyone would be crossing the line to me. Not if Master/Dom was to go online and say I was doing this with my slave/sub and this happened, why... that would be within his/her realm. Anyway, to answer the question yes a sub/slave can and should have opionons and speak up with them, just with respect.




Cloudz -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 8:00:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

quote:

ORIGINAL: jamesthehumanrug
(some confusing stuff removed so I can focus my comment)

no i would, not have an opinion, if my dom. were, over me, and, said no don't
have one, unless ,of course ....


Of course you have opinions.
How to share them is the real question isn't it?

quote:


i kid you ,not :you'll never get ,to the top ,with opinions.i do, follow my own politics, of


*Looks at Fox kneeling next to her computer as she types*

Wow, I really strongly disagree based on my experience.

I've tried the "I have nothing you don't give me" slave/submissive -- BORING
I've tried the "You have to break me" slave/submissive -- TIRING

I am happiest when my slaves are strong willed, goal focused, well educated (or getting education), and opinionated individuals. When they kneel at my feet, when they suffer for my amusement, my oh my, what a wonderful thrill that is.

Opinions aren't the real problem, are they? Isn't the issue really how those opinions are expressed?



Tammyjo,
You expressed that beautifully. slaves/submissives are flesh and blood creatures. In the best of them the flesh and blood between their ears is what makes them beautiful.

Cloudz




MistressYlwa -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 9:30:33 AM)

When I first speak with someone, my intent is to find out if they have a mind. I desire intelligence. This obviously says I expect conversation. I enjoy some debate, interest in world affairs, and "how was your day" is nice too. lol

Desires are expressed in a respectful way, at the appropriate times.
I had my boy keep a journal. I would read it when I wanted. In it he was free to express himself in any way, without fear of reprisal. I find it a suitable way to learn my boy's true feelings and desires. While he may not ask me for anything, bdsm related, in person, he can express those desires in his journal. I make the decision on whether to fulfill that desire or not.

Mistress Ylwa

You see what power is - holding someone elses fear in your hand and showing it to them! - Amy Tan




candystripper -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 9:44:34 AM)

i cannot believe the Op really meant a slave would not form opinions if directed by her Dom/Master/Domme not to do so. i just cannot see that this level of mind-control is really feasible. And think of the problems it would create; she'd form no opinion about whether to stop the car at a red light; whether it was safe to leave the baby unattended in its bath; whether to seek medical attention after an accident or illness...not to mention, she'd lose her opinion as to whether her Dom/Master/Domme was the proper person with whom to be involved.

One easy example of this is voting. Is a slave free to become educated about the candidates and issues, and vote as she sees fit; or does she simply wait for her Dom/Master/Domme to tell her how to vote? i cannot think of one Man who has contacted me who would find micro-management of this degree appealing.

candystripper




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 11:27:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper
One easy example of this is voting. Is a slave free to become educated about the candidates and issues, and vote as she sees fit; or does she simply wait for her Dom/Master/Domme to tell her how to vote? i cannot think of one Man who has contacted me who would find micro-management of this degree appealing.

That particular example is not necessarily micro-management, and there are masters out there who control how their slave votes.




Misstoyou -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 12:19:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper
One easy example of this is voting. Is a slave free to become educated about the candidates and issues, and vote as she sees fit; or does she simply wait for her Dom/Master/Domme to tell her how to vote? i cannot think of one Man who has contacted me who would find micro-management of this degree appealing.

That particular example is not necessarily micro-management, and there are masters out there who control how their slave votes.


That's not even a lifestyle issue. My father used to always tell my mother how to vote. lol Of course, how one could verify that the order had been followed to the letter is the issue...




LadyAngelika -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 12:44:28 PM)

quote:

I am happiest when my slaves are strong willed, goal focused, well educated (or getting education), and opinionated individuals. When they kneel at my feet, when they suffer for my amusement, my oh my, what a wonderful thrill that is.

Opinions aren't the real problem, are they? Isn't the issue really how those opinions are expressed?


A resounding YES!!! TammyJo :)

- LA




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 3:46:02 PM)

quote:

i'm afraid it is my opinion ,that a top is far more important ,and, far more the concern, than ones' own opinion ,as a slave, in my personal experience.
Obviously, all opinions are important, and all count, but one would hope you don't submit to someone you cannot respect, and don't trust. If you both respect and trust, than opinions can be stated and considered without anyone being told to shut the phuck up and just do...

Opinions will differ at times, and at those times, unless you wish to impose yours despite possible consequences, than you do at your own potential peril. It should go without saying that you trust your domina has your interest/well being at heart even at those times she might impose her will/desires over yours. M




mnottertail -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 4:01:37 PM)

What's the deal here M? You look shorter than you have in the past, I can see part of your face............

ooooooooooooooooh, I get it, you are crouching, now (I wouldn't dare say kneeling.....LOL)

Sincerely,
Your Buddy,
Ron




slavejali -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 6:10:39 PM)

Master says my opinions are important as they are a communication tool. He likes to know what im thinking, he isnt a mind-reader. Once he hears my opinion on something, he makes the final decision and i submit as the slave ive chosen to be.




girl4you2 -> RE: reply to can slaves have a voiced-opinion (11/11/2005 6:23:50 PM)

Edited:
quote:

ORIGINAL: lonewolf05
"I" of course have my opinions and feelings as a human being on most anything you can come up with. ...and so far........both of my real time Owners allow me my feelings....
wolf
have a good day ya'all
we all have feelings, these cannot be denied. they can be held inside and expressed in one way or another, but we all still have them. of course, that applies to non-vulcans.




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