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Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person tha... - 7/9/2008 1:51:52 AM

slaveboyforyou

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I ask this, because the person who did this is someone I know. She was a domme I met in 2005. I haven't seen her in over a year since we had a falling out. But I can tell you that I never imagined her doing something like this. She did some rotten things when I knew her, but I couldn't fucking believe this when I saw it. She fucked me over real good last year on a loan I gave her, and it led to a lawsuit. In September of last year she was convicted of a felony violation of our hot check law. I had not thought about her for a long time until I saw this. It just really bothered me. I don't know what caused her to do this, but it just floored me. Believe it or not, no charges have been filed. So what do you think?

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 2:50:52 AM

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37 dogs and also a number of cats. From this I deduce that she feels unloved and collects in an obsessive compulsive manner animals to compensate for that lack.
She is poor. From that I deduce that she is not in control of her life.
She moves and abandons pets in her neglected and filthy house. That may indicate a foreclosure. She left the pets in revenge. The message she sends to the people that she owes money to is: see, because you evicted me, these animals have to suffer. For her this abandonement also is closure, as the pets signify her failure. By leaving them behind, she is distancing herself from her failure.

This woman needs help, not legal prosecution. You might consider giving her the money that you originally loaned to her. What is her financial deficiency? Not being able to earn or overspending?

This woman is mentally handicapped - and presumably as a consequence has an ability that she excells in (perhaps being a domme). She needs to be in the company of people that fit her in the manner of the blind and the cripple helping each other.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 3:10:14 AM

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37 dogs and also a number of cats. From this I deduce that she feels unloved and collects in an obsessive compulsive manner animals to compensate for that lack.
She is poor. From that I deduce that she is not in control of her life.
She moves and abandons pets in her neglected and filthy house. That may indicate a foreclosure. She left the pets in revenge. The message she sends to the people that she owes money to is: see, because you evicted me, these animals have to suffer. For her this abandonement also is closure, as the pets signify her failure. By leaving them behind, she is distancing herself from her failure.

This woman needs help, not legal prosecution. You might consider giving her the money that you originally loaned to her. What is her financial deficiency? Not being able to earn or overspending?

This woman is mentally handicapped - and presumably as a consequence has an ability that she excells in (perhaps being a domme). She needs to be in the company of people that fit her in the manner of the blind and the cripple helping each other.

Rule, you're right about her mental problems. However, she did not get evicted. Her aunt paid for that house and gave it to her. It was on 3 acres of property with a well. She only had to pay the electric bill. She had three kids from 3 seperate fathers. She was molested from an early age by her stepfather. Her mother got sent off to prison when she was 12 years old (she's 38 now.) She got sent off to live with her aunt and uncle, and I don't think she got much love from them.

I and many of her friends tried to get her help. She was seeing a pychiatrist for awhile in 2006. I really cared about her, and I only loaned her that money because she had 3 kids. She fucked me over big time on it. I was willing to let it go, but she said a lot of nasty things about me to my face and to others. She was really two faced. She would say the nicest things to you, and then turn around and talk trash about you to others. It was very hard to be friends with her. I made a lot of excuses for her when she was having problems, but this one takes the cake. It comes to a point where you have no more excuses for someone.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 3:25:41 AM

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I'm sorry, well actually no I'm not!
But poor her, she has this that and the other... it's no excuse.
Many people have the same or similar tragedy in their lives, but they don't abuse innocent animals, as far as I'm concerned it's on a par with child abuse and she should be hogtied and horsewhipped.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 3:31:22 AM

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It is no excuse, but it is an explanation.

Having her hogtied and horsewhipped presumably will screw her up even more.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 3:31:47 AM

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I'm sorry, well actually no I'm not!
But poor her, she has this that and the other... it's no excuse.
Many people have the same or similar tragedy in their lives, but they don't abuse innocent animals, as far as I'm concerned it's on a par with child abuse and she should be hogtied and horsewhipped.

Believe it or not, I agree with you. Like I said, I made a lot of excuses for her before. I was extremely angry at her, but I felt guilty for that anger. But this just took the cake. I couldn't believe it; I never thought she would do something like that. I was and am still in shock over seeing it. I am pissed off about it, but I can't help wondering and worrying about what caused it. Like I said, she has three kids. I worry about them. I don't know what to think, and that's why I posted this. It's confusing the shit out of me.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 3:34:04 AM

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This is happening more and more. We had a house here with dogs, cat's and horses.

The people just up and moved.

Sometimes if the people in need of help are not willing to help themselves there is really nothing you can do.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 3:40:12 AM

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Rule I was being generous!
You wouldn't like what I really think should happen to her. And not just her but to all people who abuse children and or animals.

slaveboyforyou I can understand your anger and confusion. It is hard to believe that someone you know and had a relationship of some sort with at some time can do that.
First of all don't feel guilty for feeling anger, its a natural and healthy emotion, it's the way that people express that anger that lets us down often.
Reading your posts, the kids crossed my mind as well, though no doubt after this episode she is bound to loose her children, which will hopefully put them into a better situation.
She needs help though, please, do not take on that responsibility out of guilt or anything like that. Or feel guilty about not being there for her.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 3:43:20 AM

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Anyone that abuses a trust given them. A trust of safety and care, when it involves helpless innocents, is someone I have a very difficult time feeling sympathy for.

If this woman has children in her care, they should be removed from her care post haste.

Other than that.........anyone that mistreats innocents should be sent to my farm.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 3:47:23 AM

Rule

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
she did not get evicted. Her aunt paid for that house and gave it to her. It was on 3 acres of property with a well. She only had to pay the electric bill.

Poverty may have forced her to move to cheaper accomodation, so she may have felt that as an eviction.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
She had three kids from 3 seperate fathers. She was molested from an early age by her stepfather. Her mother got sent off to prison when she was 12 years old (she's 38 now.) She got sent off to live with her aunt and uncle, and I don't think she got much love from them.

So she has an inability to have lasting relationships, or perhaps she always chooses the wrong partner.
Those events do explain some of her difficulties, both as to nature (inherited dispositions) and as to nurture.
At least her aunt cared sufficiently to buy her a house.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I and many of her friends tried to get her help.

So she can make friends. That is a positive. She presumably cannot keep them, and that is a negative.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
She was seeing a pychiatrist for awhile in 2006. I really cared about her, and I only loaned her that money because she had 3 kids. She fucked me over big time on it. I was willing to let it go, but she said a lot of nasty things about me to my face and to others. She was really two faced. She would say the nicest things to you, and then turn around and talk trash about you to others. It was very hard to be friends with her.

I understand where you are coming from. I gather that you and her friends did spend a lot of effort on her behalf. She does appear to have a serious personality problem that is not easily - and may never - be corrected.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I made a lot of excuses for her when she was having problems, but this one takes the cake. It comes to a point where you have no more excuses for someone.

Indeed, there is no excuse, but it may be comprehended.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 3:56:05 AM

Rule

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ORIGINAL: twistedwillow
Rule I was being generous!
You wouldn't like what I really think should happen to her. And not just her but to all people who abuse children and or animals.

Whether I would like it or not depends on what you have in mind. I do object to torture and suffering.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 7:38:53 AM

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Folks who do such things are refered to by animal welfare authorities as Hoarders, and yes it seems to be a growing problem caused by mental issues.

I'm with twisted for the most part. While I can comprehend the possible (or even Probable) WHYS that someone would/could do such a thing, from a purely clinical and objective standpoint - that comprehension doen't lessen one whit what I would personally like to do to folks who abandon animals in this nature. Suffice it to say that it would be slow, painful, ugly, and make an impression that would last for the Rest of their Life. Most likely because that life would Not last very long at all, comparatively.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 7:45:57 AM

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I think too that we are seeing an increase of these stories because of the foreclosure problems happening. There have been articles in my area concerning this very thing.

People get foreclosed on and simply walk away from everything they can't carry. Some are walking away before getting foreclosed and leaving pets behind or dumping them in rural areas with the grossly mistaken idea that domesticated animals are happy to fend for themselves.

It is going to cause a lot of shelters to run out of room and where normally people would pick up the slack and help? Well the cost of 'everything' is going up and it seems that animal care is becoming a luxury item.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 7:47:31 AM

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I know a guy that let his gods wreck a hardwood floor- i mean that smell NEVER gets out...

To me there are more "hastle' pets then good ones. You will never ever end sloppy people.....

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 8:00:19 AM

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I am not going to be able to get into your headspace on this one so I won't even try.

But I will say this much, if you are going to leave and have animals you are not going to take with you, at least let them out. Some may learn to fend for themselves despite being crippled in that respect by domestication. Others can show up on neighbors' porches and might find a new home. But locked in a house there is nothing.

Her headspace is something else. I would say most likely she was dominant because she was submissive, rejecting that part of herself. The human mind can do that, and an abnormal human mind does it alot more.

For you, just knowing her does not make you guilty. As for what should happen to her, lock her in a closet for a week with nothing. Well just water, something she did not even give the animals, but can't kill her, it is simply not warranted.

As far as help goes, it goes after the punishment, which is the way I see anything of this sort. No matter how screwed up a person's mind is, their condition does not undo nor in any way excuse their actions. Also, help may sink in a little bit better after punishment.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 8:02:15 AM

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I've got an old shed that would work well.......

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 8:30:37 AM

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Is it sturdy or will you have to use restraints as well ?

As far as a twisted sense of humor goes, you have met the Master.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 8:37:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
So what do you think?

I think you obviously have an axe to grind, slaveboy.

People who are disturbed enough to abuse animals should be easy enough to spot by the many red flags that they wave.But, for your own reasons, you went ahead, despite the warning signs , in order to get what you wanted. Didn't you ? Now you feel the need to whine about how she took advantage of you. Poor boy.

Yes she is a bad bad person. Whovever she/he may be.

Feel better now ?

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 8:48:37 AM

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The same treatment,for a week or more.

Letting the dogs and cats(kittens) out to "fend"? Almost as cruel.

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RE: Animal abandonment - What should happen to a person... - 7/9/2008 2:17:06 PM

slaveboyforyou

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I think you obviously have an axe to grind, slaveboy.

People who are disturbed enough to abuse animals should be easy enough to spot by the many red flags that they wave.But, for your own reasons, you went ahead, despite the warning signs , in order to get what you wanted. Didn't you ? Now you feel the need to whine about how she took advantage of you. Poor boy.

Yes she is a bad bad person. Whovever she/he may be.

Feel better now ?

You don't know what you're talking about cjan. You are obviously the one with the axe to grind here. I've noticed that you like to make personal attacks on people that disagree with you. It's really pathetic and childish. I never wanted anything from her; she was a friend of mine. As for warning signs, no they're weren't any. She was a flake when I met her, that's how any one would describe her. A lot of my friends are eccentric or a little flakey. I wasn't whining about anything. It was interesting to see you being so petty; it says a lot about you.

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