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tsatske -> Scam Artist: read this! (7/9/2008 12:43:33 PM)

Okay, if you really think about, Scammers have a job. just like the rest of us, only suckier. Most of them did not have the good fortune to be born in the US/Europe, and they are just trying to make a living. I mean, really, can't you work up a little sympathy for a girl?

The problem is, there is apparently no online school of scamming. I say this, because, if there were, they might be BETTER at it. I mean, really, if this is their chosen career - most of them SUCK at it!

So this thread is to offer advice. Come on, give it up! You all have some - help some poor, underprivledges girls (and occasional guys) out! tell them how to do a better job at the job they have!

Here's my number 1, top advice offering: Do not try to claim to be a native speaker of a language where you can barely put two words together. Really, I'm gonna notice. And the online translation fish are not really that good, not anywhere near good enough to pass you off as a native speaker.
OTOH, America is a country of immegrants, and most Americans love thinking of themselves as eclectic, contential, well-rounded, open-minded, cultured individuals. Just admit to where you are from, and if you really feel this will go better if you are stateside, claim to have moved here a year or so ago. really.
Although, honestly, it might just go better if you admit where you are from. You will get points for honesty and your intended mark gets the thrill of having an international penpal.

Advice #2: If you are going to insist on passing yourself off as being stateside, choose your location carefully, and research it extensively, know as much as you can about it. Small towns work best - if you claim you are from a big city, too many people will live there, be from there, have relitives there, have been there on vacation... it's just going to be a mess. And, whereever you say you are from, when you meet someone from there, living there, with relitives there, who was stationed there in the military, who went to school there, who has vacationed there.... dump then and start the search for a new mark. Know matter how much you have taught yourself about your chosen fake hometown, You can not convince a Martian you have been to Mars. This is not going to work.

Case in point (of the general above rule, not specificlly the last portion so much), recent scammer chatting up Master, when he asked where she was, said, 'Connors, NY, Sir'. since she was clearly not an English speaker, He asked where she was born, but she insisited :'Connors, NY.' So He called me in the room - had I ever heard of Connors, NY? No? oh, well - He googles it. It is BETWEEN Manhatten and Queens. I looked at Master. Oh, no, no, no... I have friends who are NewYorkers. Never met a New Yorker who EVER mention what tiny little township they are from - NYCers are very borrough-centric. They are either from NYC - or they tell you the borrough. This smells like Friday at the Parish Cafe.
So Master says to her, 'So, you are very near Queens?' and she says, 'What is Queens?'

That would be a mistake you could avoid, by taking some of my excellent advice above.

C'mon, helpful CM people - anymore helpful advice?



angelikaJ -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/9/2008 12:56:46 PM)

sure... calling a complete stranger  sweetie or baby; telling them that you love and miss them...and saying that they read your profile (when we can see who has read it)...
those are things a scammer might want to avoid.



Lockit -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/9/2008 12:59:44 PM)

LOL... I think this could be a really great thread... but... lol... it is somewhat like teaching a troll how to fool a person!  Could be really funny... but... ROFL... I am so not going there!  My hint... don't email me... lose my number... I am poor too and I don't believe in instant anything... well I do.. but not in a good way most the time.  So don't make promises of instant anything to other's... cause remember, they were supposed to not email or call me.



SteelofUtah -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/9/2008 1:03:21 PM)

But angelika sweetie baby I do love and need you but I have to get my teeth fixed and that will cost 200 american dollars but want I to be pretty you for I will be. And I have 2 million dollars in the bank but the Goverment won't cash it in Africa so I am sending it to you just deposit it in your bank and then write me a check for 1 million and I will let you keep the other million american dollars so you can get all the pretty things you deserve.

Steel



strangefruit -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/9/2008 1:11:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

But angelika sweetie baby I do love and need you but I have to get my teeth fixed and that will cost 200 american dollars but want I to be pretty you for I will be. And I have 2 million dollars in the bank but the Goverment won't cash it in Africa so I am sending it to you just deposit it in your bank and then write me a check for 1 million and I will let you keep the other million american dollars so you can get all the pretty things you deserve.

Steel


Like shiney rings and botox??



SteelofUtah -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/9/2008 1:14:49 PM)

Exactly.......if that is what you want but you know I don't understand the whole Poison in the Face thing, just doesn't sound like something I shoudl have to pay for.

Steel



pahunkboy -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/9/2008 1:39:56 PM)

scamming works.    PS --   a dead person has millions $   that YOU can help revive...


I wish Chris Hansen would do more of THESE exposes....   well like they say a fool and his money are soon parted.

if it makes you feel better I will put on my crime watch vest and tell the dude that he is to turn himself in at once.



DomAviator -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/9/2008 1:43:21 PM)

If you are going to be an effective scammer learn some american cultural lingo and history so that when I tell you that I am going to book you passage on "the good ship La Amistad" you will realize I am on to you. Or when I tell you that my name is Father Ben Dover and that Father Lechter and Father Dahlmer cant wait to have you for dinner you will know to be scared.

Above all please learn that Americans do not have names like Ivanna Stifkokupmeanus or Mr Bukakke or Sister C. Litoris or ... well just check out the following site and youll see for yourself LOL

www.ebolamonkeyman.com  



N4SDChastity -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/9/2008 10:07:15 PM)

ummm...  you misspell't immigrant[8|]



Termyn8or -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/9/2008 10:43:49 PM)

I am going to say something, and I don't how many posts this thread has, it might get moved to humor.

This is all so much of a joke that I just,,,,,,,well am having a hard time controlling myself


KAKAKAKAKAKAKAKKA

Oops I meant HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fucking geezus fucking Christ. I am an heiress to a billion quadroons which is eighty million USD$ (note the placement of the $ after). But I can't get to the money because it is in a foreign bank that I can't get to but I can call them and have the money transferred.

You don't send me a thing, I send you a check, but within five days you must remit the taxes or they will sieze the account. (and then in seven days you find out that the check was printed by some highschool kid, who will no doubt be going into politics.

So no people, as much as we do agree on some things, most of those scammers are in the US.

But here is what you haven't taken into consideration yet. These scammers are that dumb. Some think they are smart, looking at NYC, great population density, (pun optional) and alot of immigrants. A perfect hunting ground.

I still have this one email, one of the best ones I have ever seen, not that I couldn't do better, but it was impressive. Get me on the other side for the full text as it is illegal to reproduce here in the forum. But really, this is one of the best ones I have ever seen. It almost fooled the olman. And some people here said it was real, but it was not.

T



tsatske -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/10/2008 6:18:20 AM)

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So no people, as much as we do agree on some things, most of those scammers are in the US.


This is SO TRUE. However, some of the overseas one have extra challenges to overcome and you may peg them faster. Some of them are actually GOOD at what they do.

several years ago, i corrosponded with a proffessional scammer for a number of months. The corrospondance tapered off, and i never thought another thing about it - it had never OCCURED to me that he was attempting to scam me.

a few months after having no contact, i got a call from his girlfriend. She said she had kicked him out, and had found his 'little black book' and was going through his email, and that DOZENS of women were sending him money. Had I ever sent him money? well, no - i had never met him, why would i send him money.

Here is a thing to always remeber about the BEST, most professional scammers. They NEVER ask for money. (well, not never - don't think that being asked for money means that they are not a scammer. just, the BEST ones don't ask. so don't think no request means you are not being scammed) They drop hints - things are tight, taxes are due, check coming next month, ect, hoping you will bite and OFFER money - then you won't relize you are being scammed, after all, they never asked for money, did they?

This guy would mention often how he wanted to come see me - he owned a plane (uh-huh), but plane fuel is just SO EXPENSIVE, but as soon as he got the money, he'd fly up and take me on a little flight.... and i'd just say, 'that will be nice'. turned out, that wasn't the response he was going for, LOL.



jlf1961 -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/10/2008 6:28:12 AM)

YOu forgot to mention that a person should not claim a picture was taken somewhere that clearly is a bold faced lie.... I mean does anyone know a stretch of beach in florida backed by 1000 foot tall mountains?

And you better know the flight times between major airports for international flights, the concord doesnt fly anymore.



HeavansKeeper -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/10/2008 6:39:12 AM)

I thought we were putting together a "How To: Socially Engineer and Successfully Scam"

The first step to a successful scam is the fishing.  Get bits of information:

Name.
Address.
Last Name.
Sibling's Name.
Doctor's Name.
Boss's Name.
Email Address.
Type of car owned.
Do they have a pool?
Do they have a dog?
Kid's names.
Medical history.
Old bills/spending habits...
etc...
*Female voice*
Put it all together and you can make a convincing sell. "Mrs. Dover, I'm calling from Dr. Balmer's office, we have on record that there is an appointment for Tuesday at 4:00 for your husband, Roger.  You husband called from work and said he felt a bit bad after eating some Omaha Steaks *girly giggles*

--And then the clinch, the part of the scam where you get one more piece of information.  --

He didn't leave a contact number, but since you were on file, we though maybe you'd know where to reach him...
...mhm.. is that his work or cell number? 

"Work... do you want his cell number?"

That would be very helpful, thank you again, Mrs. Dover.

Now we have another piece of the puzzle.  Now its time to be malicious.  Perhaps we can call Mr. Dover and get him to change his voicemail password to something we know, afterall, we know his cell number.

*man's voice, calling at work, tone: happy but bored* (you need lots of voices for a con)
Hello Mr. Dover, this is Jeff from AT&T Fraud Detection...(got that tidbit off the bill in the trash).  Our records show that an alarming amount of phone numbers have been accessing your voicemail... *typing noises - gives him home, work, cell, wife's cell, and 1 fake #, then talks about security and how they'd like to change it... "We can reset your passcode for now, and you can change it later.  No sir, we can't change the voicemail password for you, it would be a security liability. We'll need the last 4 digits of your social security to validate the account..

We also know that many SSO's start with the state/date you were born, so we have the last 4 from Mr. Dover and the first 3 from logic. 7/9 ain't bad.

.... Don't look at me that way.  The point is data protection is key.  The human condition is trusting, and when the pitch sounds right, we have no reason not to believe... Afterall, it sounds reasonable, and they've never lied to me before.  Protect your data.  Shred your bills, ask questions.  Be safe.



HeavansKeeper -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/10/2008 6:40:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

YOu forgot to mention that a person should not claim a picture was taken somewhere that clearly is a bold faced lie.... I mean does anyone know a stretch of beach in florida backed by 1000 foot tall mountains?

And you better know the flight times between major airports for international flights, the concord doesnt fly anymore.



I take exception to that! I'm from Florida and my picture shows me in the lush mountains of Brazil. =\  *asks for money to fly to you and serve you.*



CruelDesires -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/10/2008 6:41:51 AM)

I knew a good con artist who told me this. He said,

See that guy that everyone is talking about? The one who ran off with that stuff? He's a chump. He scammed/stole that stuff and now everyone knows all about him. Now me on the other hand... I stole three times as much as him. But, I'm more subtle about it and I keep coming back for more. That is the difference between an "artist" and just some schmuck.

Most of these online scammers are just schmucks looking for someone less intelligent then them. The true "artists" work for big businesses and the government.

CD



angelikaJ -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/10/2008 6:46:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

But angelika sweetie baby I do love and need you but I have to get my teeth fixed and that will cost 200 american dollars but want I to be pretty you for I will be. And I have 2 million dollars in the bank but the Goverment won't cash it in Africa so I am sending it to you just deposit it in your bank and then write me a check for 1 million and I will let you keep the other million american dollars so you can get all the pretty things you deserve.

Steel


I mailed it last week...






Termyn8or -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/10/2008 8:20:49 AM)

Impressive Heaven. Want a job ? I dunno bout you but I am sick of working.

T



xxblushesxx -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/10/2008 8:26:05 AM)

Instead of writing to my Craigslist ad, asking me if I still have 'the item' and is 'the item' still in good condition, actually ask about whateveritis I am selling.

I'm just sayin'...



pissdoll -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/10/2008 11:47:07 AM)

Sadly, scammers scam because people fall for it......

About five years ago, a man i worked with who i thought was super-nice but had a lot of problems, began talking about a windfall he was about to receive.  He was going to start his own company.  He was going to hire a bunch of us at double our current salaries.  Blah dee blah.  he went on and on and on.  Everyone was sooooo excited.  i began to question him...where is the money coming from for your start-up?  vague answers about church, and being entrusted, and receiving "a large sum of the whole."

finally one day, he was sitting at his desk with a bunch of papers.  i asked him what they were.  insurance documents, he told me, for bringing $30 million into the country.  my heart sank.  i asked him where the money was coming from. he told me England.  i told him that England had no such requirements.  then he said "Nigeria to England to the U.S."  He had already sent $11k to these guys western union to expedite the process.

i brought him over to my computer and pulled up the secret service website...and i have to say i have never seen a man cry the way he did.  he hadn't told his boyfriend he sent the money....as far as bf knew, it was in an account as a growing down-payment for a much needed new car.

needless to say, there was nothing the secret service could do for him, and boyfriend left him post-haste.

scammers prey on desperation and greed.  i no longer assume that the people i know are "too smart" to fall for that nonsense.



tsatske -> RE: Scam Artist: read this! (7/10/2008 2:05:32 PM)

oh, pissdoll, that is just heart breaking. When you hear something even - third or fourth hand - it seems too close. It breaks your heart. I'm sorry for your co-worker.



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