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michaelMI -> Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 10:49:06 AM)

i have been in the lifstyle for about 10 years, most all of it has been spent online. does anyone have any advice, suggestions or information about making the transition form on to the other?




DreamyLadySnow -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 11:08:35 AM)

Reality is very different from online.
I'd say the most important thing is to be yourself. It's easy to make false representations or assumptions online. It's much more difficult in person.
Also if your community has bdsm events, such as munches and workshops, take them in. You'll meet people, learn, and be taken more seriously,
Last, but not least, enjoy!


DLS




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 11:31:54 AM)

Expect the unexpected. Be yourself. We're all just people.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 11:40:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Expect the unexpected. Be yourself. We're all just people.



And there's the rub, isn't it? Online, a person can be ANYONE!

:)Ms F




Misstoyou -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 11:44:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DreamyLadySnow

Reality is very different from online.



Yes, Michael. What *she* said. Think of it as an entirely new adventure, not as a continuum of what you've been doing before. Try not to put your expectations from online on the Dommes you meet. (That's just annoying.) They will lead the way in the relationship.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 12:49:02 PM)

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i have been in the lifstyle for about 10 years, most all of it has been spent online.


Michael,
I swear by all the beth holds as Holy that what I am about to say is NOT meant to be insulting, but you have NOT been, "in the lifestyle for about 10 years". Not if your experience has been exclusively on-line. On-line is the equivalent of "gaming simulations".

There are people, my son for one, who can fly a Boeing 747 across country without a problem on a computer flight simulator, but I won't want him to somehow get access to the plane I was flying by representing that he had 10 years of flight experience. He may be better at flying the 747 than I would be with zero flight simulator experience, but it I were traveling with him and the crew was somehow disabled, I'd prefer a pilot with one day of "hand's-on" experience on a Cessna over my son's computer skills.

As far as making the transition, if you have plans to go out and attend munches or meet individuals you've already begun to make it. Just put it in your head that you are going to do it and follow through. Don't fall back to the comfort level that you have with your on-line community.

Be HONEST with your experience. What on-line does provide is a reference point. You have observed and learned much during your 10 years. You likely know the vernacular. You will know what someone is taking about when they refer to a cropping, caning, flogging. That's an asset that the novice submissives that I met a long time ago pre-Internet, did NOT. I'd suggest that if someone you meet asks if you've ever been caned, don't say, "yes! I love it", if your experience reference point comes from your on-line adventures.

You are already using the most important part of you that you will be bringing into a real time relationship - your mind. You've had to use it to enjoy on-line. Don't leave it on your computer desk. The mind and thought process as a submissive or as a dom, are very important. In real time, you'll have to compliment those skills with some logical 'left-brain' functions like common sense and self preservation. Don't put your fantasy thoughts and expectations ahead of real life issues of safety. Make sure the person you meet with is worthy of your submission and your trust. Don't worry about what kind of collar you'll wear. Don't assume the Dom/me has any more experience than you do just because he/she demands you call him Master/Mistress, or is wearing a leather outfit right out of "S/m Vogue". Trust your own judgment before your trust anyone else's. Don't compromise your integrity, your relationship goals, or your safety.

As other's have said, it's most important to just be you.

Good LUCK! Welcome to the pool! Come on in! Diving or walking down the small steps in the low end, eventually you'll get wet. If it's really for you, you won't believe how refreshing and invigorating the water is. If it's not, leave and get dried off no worse for the experience and knowing at least you tried.




Chaingang -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 12:52:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
I swear by all the beth holds as Holy that what I am about to say is NOT meant to be insulting, but you have NOT been, "in the lifestyle for about 10 years". Not if your experience has been exclusively on-line. On-line is the equivalent of "gaming simulations".


Hey, you forgot to mention that whole "flogger elbow" thing...

[:D]




michaelMI -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 1:55:41 PM)

there are munches here, but the danged bus system here sucks so i have not been able to attend any. and finding a ride is near to impossible. can't trust anyone these days.




justmira -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 2:19:04 PM)

Hi,

i'm a bit hesitant to write this because it's not my usual happy go lucky self, but it's the truth.

i had an online collared relationship before i tried to get involved in real life. After about 5 years together, my Mistress (now exMistress) and i realised that we could never be together real life so She supported me in trying to find someone local and allowed me to retain my collar while i searched. The idea was that She could be involved in the search and guide me, and if i found someone She would uncollar me.

What i'd like to say to you is to be prepared! Be prepared for people to tell you constantly that online isn't real and any relationship you had with someone online is worthless. Be prepared for some people to not talk to you, or want to know you at all once they find out you had an online relationship. Be prepared for some people to be completely rude about it. i had "real lifers" telling me 5 mins after meeting me, that i should just toss away my collar (i'd had it for 5 years at that time) and pretend that my Mistress didn't exist. It didn't matter to them that it was a relationship we'd both been very happy in.

But having said that, be prepared to meet some really nice nonjudgemental people as well. i tend to stick to talking to the nice ones now, i've made a few friends and it's thanks to them that i continue to try to get involved in "real life BDSM".

Good luck.

mira




michaelMI -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 2:29:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: justmira

Hi,

i'm a bit hesitant to write this because it's not my usual happy go lucky self, but it's the truth.

i had an online collared relationship before i tried to get involved in real life. After about 5 years together, my Mistress (now exMistress) and i realised that we could never be together real life so She supported me in trying to find someone local and allowed me to retain my collar while i searched. The idea was that She could be involved in the search and guide me, and if i found someone She would uncollar me.

What i'd like to say to you is to be prepared! Be prepared for people to tell you constantly that online isn't real and any relationship you had with someone online is worthless. Be prepared for some people to not talk to you, or want to know you at all once they find out you had an online relationship. Be prepared for some people to be completely rude about it. i had "real lifers" telling me 5 mins after meeting me, that i should just toss away my collar (i'd had it for 5 years at that time) and pretend that my Mistress didn't exist. It didn't matter to them that it was a relationship we'd both been very happy in.

But having said that, be prepared to meet some really nice nonjudgemental people as well. i tend to stick to talking to the nice ones now, i've made a few friends and it's thanks to them that i continue to try to get involved in "real life BDSM".

Good luck.

mira


i've been wearing my Mistress's real collar for a year now, thank you for your input. i will keep it in mind...provided i find someone locally as my Mistress lives in Orlando and i am unable to move there having obligations here.

maybe sometime i will actually make it to a munch and meet someone locally, i have been talking to one Mistress that is within driving distance of me and She is a very nice and understanding Mistress.




theRose4U -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 2:54:19 PM)

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michaelMI -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 2:58:56 PM)

i really, honestly wish i could attend the local munches, transportation is an issue and, so far, i have not been able to locate someone that would be kind enough to allow me to ride with them to the munches. i really hate where i live, but can't afford to move elsewhere.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 3:04:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: michaelMI

i really, honestly wish i could attend the local munches, transportation is an issue and, so far, i have not been able to locate someone that would be kind enough to allow me to ride with them to the munches. i really hate where i live, but can't afford to move elsewhere.

It really sounds like you've got bigger life issues than going real time right now. Getting yourself financially stable and a fairly independent adult sounds like your priorities at the moment.




michaelMI -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 3:07:39 PM)

i make ends meet, just do not own a car. cannot afford to buy one with the outrageous prices they charge for them.




slavejali -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 3:13:47 PM)

Master and i both met each other online. Although we had both had previous rl Master slave relationships. Master had been involved in the scene in Canada and the USA...i had lived a full time relationship as a slave before...Coming online and interacting on bdsm chats, were really very strange for me. Mostly i just conversed, found people to talk to about experiences and general stuff.
My general observations of online bdsm interaction is that there are a whole bunch of people chatting away with lots of desires running around inside of them which they may, or in most cases will never play out in real life. I did however over a period of time come to appreciate that the people interacting solely online were creating relationships and the feelings they were having for their interactive partners were real. I would never take that away from anyone.
However, one thing i think many people online fail to realise is...canes really hurt. ...that.. really submitting to someone when they are in the room with you...is very very different...and im not meaning to put people down...im just saying..its different.
When Master and i came together face to face..after about 11 months of chatting online..and both with previous rl experience..he took our relationship very slowly...he was smart enough to realise...we had to get to know one another physically now...sure we had shared hopes and dreams and desires online...hey i even pierced my cunt for him over the webcam...but..face to face...is just different. Having Him there all the time, was different...getting to know His style..was different..him getting to know my responses..was different..
Master told me this story once...about a couple He knew rl..who met each other online...they had played together for years online..doing lots of things together...saying they were intensely in love and committed to each other..they finally came together...after their first meeting the submissive went and reported him for abuse..she said "i didnt know it really hurt"....well we could go into the dynamics of who was to blame in that situation..but point remains..in so many ways... rl is different.

So my advice..take it slow...enjoy...online was basically a cause for immense frustration for me..there is nothing that can replace the *touch of a hand* smile~




Littlepita -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 3:31:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slavejali

When Master and i came together face to face..after about 11 months of chatting online..and both with previous rl experience..he took our relationship very slowly...he was smart enough to realise...we had to get to know one another physically now...sure we had shared hopes and dreams and desires online...hey i even pierced my cunt for him over the webcam...but..face to face...is just different. Having Him there all the time, was different...getting to know His style..was different..him getting to know my responses..was different..


Thanks for writing this. In three months my Sir and I will be together for the first time in real life. We will have had 10 months of being online by then. We love each other so much and want to explore D/s fully. We do know it will be different. That is why we have made a commitment to give it a year to really try to make us work and not just jump into things so fast that it will have horrible results.

I agree that I can talk about spankings and ooo and ahhh over the spanking bench he made for us. But, until I'm actually strapped to it being spanked I can in no way say I like it.




slavejali -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 5:14:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Littlepita

In three months my Sir and I will be together for the first time in real life.


My best wishes to you and your Master Littlepita. (btw Master calls me pita too...and he named His dog after me lol) ugh!

There are so many things Master and i havent tried together yet, and we have been together going on two years rl now, things that we have experienced with bdsm while with other partners, things we had discussed online (much to my frustration sometimes lol). But saying that, it really has been perfect. Master had led me down a path to my slavery to him, slowly but surely. i have developed such a deep trust in him..and i am learning patience *grin*.

quote:


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ORIGINAL: michaelMI

does anyone have any advice, suggestions or information about making the transition form on to the other?


On further thought, here are some other things....

1. i think honesty is important. i realise its hard to be totally honest with someone initially, i think honesty and more personal revelations about yourself come over time as greater trust is established..but its imperative when moving from online to rl..that there isnt gonna be any great big surprises.

2. Dont have unrealistic expectations. We are all human.

3. Relax, take it easy and have fun.




MistressYlwa -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 5:19:50 PM)

Mercnbeth, I think you said it best. Have had one or two unpleasant experiences with subs who said they were experienced, yet were not. I am not against meeting someone who is new at this, though do have a preference for experienced.

The main thing is just be honest. What you do to yourself, in online play, and what someone else would do, in real life, are absolutely not the same. You have your own feelings to tell you when to back off and to begin again, with online play. They did not feel those things and have only your word to depend on. For example, if you tell me you love to be flogged, in my mind it would mean I have carte blanche to beat you to my hearts content.

Don't rush it. Take your time. Many groups have email and you can let them know of your transportation problem. They may have someone who could give you a lift.

Be well and good luck.

Mistress Ylwa


You see what power is - holding someone elses fear in your hand and showing it to them! - Amy Tan




michaelMI -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 5:21:34 PM)

i have been questioning my submission as of late and now i'm questioning it even more. i feel lost and don't know what to do. depression is a wonderful thing...NOT!!!




slavejali -> RE: Advice: Going from online to real live. (11/11/2005 5:33:04 PM)

michael..well i think thats a different topic *grin*..and im sorry you are feeling bad. Remember what the taoists or buddhists or some "ists" say "This too shall pass" smile~




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