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Lucylastic -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 7:07:04 AM)

I have a thing for Meninpain.com and Englishmansion.com, yes they are still male-centric, but  if you look around they do have some good stuff too. Also its a personal preference.. Im looking forward to more  links, as I like the helpless, vulnerable, enjoying the hell out of it stuff.
Another "subhuman worthless pig" movie does nothing for me. Humiliation and degredation are all fine and well, if its what you want, but I adore my partner, and its hard for me to reconcile the two for him, altho I am geting better at humilation play( its a never ending learning process) grins
Lucy
edited to add.... oops....I didnt realise you were complaining about them, my bad, please ignore them :)




thetammyjo -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 8:34:18 AM)


I've seen some very intense and edgy erotica myself.. I write some of it.

But that's written material not visual.

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats

But you'd think that if they made BETTER porn, they could sell more of it! I'd buy it!

I have tried a bit of the erotica stuff: so far, it's been too nice. I want real ferocity! They seem to ready to sacrifice intensity.


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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I think the short honest answer to you question as to why the porn you see is the way you describe is this:

Because it's PORN.

Pornography's goal, in my strong opinion, is to do two things: Be a sexual aid and to make money -- the second is more important for most folks creating or producing porn.


If you something that has a good plot, solid characters, and real passion then you need to look for erotica and probably the written versus visual stuff.

If you like written, you should check out my own stuff.










AAkasha -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 9:33:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats

Those are the two sites I'm complaining about!


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ORIGINAL: rob425

I am a big fan of MenInPain.com as well as all of Kink.com other websites.
http://free-hardcore.com/




I've thought about contacting kink.com and finding out how much they'd charge me to use their sets to produce a kinky short film.  They are a classic example of a production company that has all the right equipment and resources but the men they cast in their productions are just awful!!

My biggest beef about this kind of porn is that some very quality subs watch these films and get the idea that this is how they are to behave when they are dominated - either like groveling idiots or like monotonous robots.  BORING!

Akasha




AAkasha -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 9:43:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats

My smile... is so big right now!

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha



Ooh I forgot to recommend "Punish Me" -- OH MY!

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTQnwZx9rHw

A few scenes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7z9PACpJCU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_SuzLzWPYc&feature=related







If these clips are what do it for you, then I think I know what you mean.  It might be worth reviving the "the ideal femdom porn flick" thread, or whatever it was, because I think women discussing what makes them *hot* about male submission helps men realize how a very skilled bottom reacts, and just how far off the mark most F/m porn is. 

I have ideas of what a F/m video would look like if I did it, but ultimately I do think the market would be very tiny for such a product. I think most submissive men would find it understimulating.  Organic femdoms would find it incredibly hot.  Kink-curious women would find it *intriguing* and vanilla women would find it sensual and watchable.

The biggest and most important things I would see in a good F/m production would be:

* Attractive men with nice bodies.  Beyond being attractive, they also have to have good presence and most importantly great eyes and be able to communicate fear, vulnerability, nervousness, tension in a very subtle, honest, believable way.  
* Women that are not bitchy and cruel, but are more cool and seductive - or, simply more casual, playful, authentic.  Perhaps even show their vulnerable side, or at the very least, that moment when a man's submission becomes so intense for her that she is visibly affected
* A focus on his reactions to HER, not his reaction to ACTS.  There would be a lot more of him looking at her, into her eyes, and less of him looking at his own body, or toys, or grovelling in general.
* More breathing, resistance, struggle, vulnerability that does not come easily, and that delicious conflict of wanting badly to please but also being uncomfortable on some level, but ultimately the resistance is peeled away.

Ahh....I could have some fun with that, hehe.  Any other women have things to add to the wish list?
Akasha




AAkasha -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 10:09:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha


Or you can also look at selected music videos :)

Calling all Cars:  http://youtube.com/watch?v=SN-t_mA0pjU
NIN closer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QWncI51ggH8
How deep is your love: http://youtube.com/watch?v=cjuRVFMkf0I

or, freaking *hot* Hungarian escape artists: http://youtube.com/watch?v=hI62okeoiBA&feature=user



Enjoy!

Akasha



Oh, and how can I forget..one of the *hottest* kinky music videos ever - Taste It by INXS:  http://youtube.com/watch?v=eSuZHd5wLi4&feature=related


Akasha




MistressDolly -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 10:31:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats

Lately, I've found myself growing increasingly frustrated by Femdom's pornographic offerings. There's TONS of it out there, to be sure... but nothing I've seen really does it for me. I find that the storylines are usually ridiculous, the actresses look bored AND we spend 99% of the scene zoomed in on her. I want to watch a male sub be tortured, moan lasciviously in pain... not stare at a vulva or watch some dude lick her butt.

And why is everything about hating men? I have yet to find a Femdom clip that involves LIKING the sub. Or even acknowledging the sub as human. (Sooooo over the subhuman slave bit.)

Any suggestions on where to look?




You have a captivating look. Consider making your own movies. Turn on the camera when you are engaging your submissive and let viewers get a glimpse of how YOU do things.




Coupleofwhats -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 12:15:23 PM)

I totally agree: so many guys think that submission is empty flattery and groveling. Not hot!

I would like to see:

* Women who seem into it. Most of the time, it's a lot of fake laughing at how pathetic he is. When I laugh in session, it's because something is funny (and he laughs too) or because I'm having so much fun. I want her to want him.

* Intensity. I want to feel the crackle of the power exchange. Of the sexual tension. I want to feel like I know why this woman desires his submission, and why he desires to give it.

* HIM. HIM. HIM! I want him noble and strong. When he cries, I want to feel it the way you actually feel it when a big man cries. I want to want him.




Coupleofwhats -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 12:20:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressDolly
You have a captivating look. Consider making your own movies. Turn on the camera when you are engaging your submissive and let viewers get a glimpse of how YOU do things.


Thank you for the warm words: you have quite the look yourself!

I am actually working on filming my in-studio Pro sessions... but I'm so picky about the look of it! I want it to have multiple angles, good editing, lighting, a signature style, etc. Also, I need to figure out how to budget it!




petdave -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 3:24:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I've thought about contacting kink.com and finding out how much they'd charge me to use their sets to produce a kinky short film.  They are a classic example of a production company that has all the right equipment and resources but the men they cast in their productions are just awful!!



The men, most of the Tops, the formula... i haven't had a subscription in a couple years, since before they started ending every session (it seems) with the Top contorting herself into some ridiculous position to have sex with the bottom in the end. i did get a few that i liked... Princess Kali always seemed to enjoy herself in a sadistic way, even if the guys were stiffs.




Lynnxz -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 3:40:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats

I totally agree: so many guys think that submission is empty flattery and groveling. Not hot!

I would like to see:

* Women who seem into it. Most of the time, it's a lot of fake laughing at how pathetic he is. When I laugh in session, it's because something is funny (and he laughs too) or because I'm having so much fun. I want her to want him.

* Intensity. I want to feel the crackle of the power exchange. Of the sexual tension. I want to feel like I know why this woman desires his submission, and why he desires to give it.

* HIM. HIM. HIM! I want him noble and strong. When he cries, I want to feel it the way you actually feel it when a big man cries. I want to want him.



So what you need, is hot realtime femdom couples it sounds like... sounds fucking hot to me! Actually, I've run into some sexy submissives doing the domme thing, (Sometimes) who I really enjoy doing sessions with. Maybe the key here is finding people who already have a little chemistry together, rather than forcing it on the set. I fucking hate forced stuff in porn... been there, done that, have the tshirt, and it sucked!




HarryVanWinkle -> RE: Porn (7/10/2008 10:41:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats
Lately, I've found myself growing increasingly frustrated by Femdom's pornographic offerings. There's TONS of it out there, to be sure... but nothing I've seen really does it for me. I find that the storylines are usually ridiculous, the actresses look bored AND we spend 99% of the scene zoomed in on her. I want to watch a male sub be tortured, moan lasciviously in pain... not stare at a vulva or watch some dude lick her butt.

And why is everything about hating men? I have yet to find a Femdom clip that involves LIKING the sub. Or even acknowledging the sub as human. (Sooooo over the subhuman slave bit.)

Any suggestions on where to look?


I think the gist of your first question is, "Why does Femdom porn tend to be overwhelmingly oriented towards the obsessions of its male customers?"  

And the answer is, as Willie Sutton said when asked why he robbed banks, "'Cause that's where the money is."  The vast majority of Femdom porn is designed as jack off material for submissive men because the vast majority of the people who buy it are submissive men.

As to your second question, sorry, I can't help with that.




rob425 -> RE: Porn (7/11/2008 2:18:22 AM)

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* Women who seem into it. Most of the time, it's a lot of fake laughing at how pathetic he is. When I laugh in session, it's because something is funny (and he laughs too) or because I'm having so much fun. I want her to want him.
I see your complaint and complaining about MenInPain but the dynamics are much better on the other Kink.com websites however they aren't F/m


And there are few Women that seem to be truly into it. but when there is a MenInPain shoot with Penny Flame, or Claire Adam, heck even Lora Lei they are so into their dominant powers over the sub




LadyLou -> RE: Porn (7/11/2008 7:04:46 AM)

I have been a bit of a lurker here lately, but felt compelled to respond to this thread, as it resonates with me also. First things first though, hello :D

It’s a sad fact that ‘femdom’ porn seems male focused, because it is, that is where the big money is. The porn industry is about making money, and when it comes to femdom porn, most directors that make it just don’t have a clue, and cater to the angle they know that will make them money safely, hence why most of it is rubbish.

I actually think it’s a slight underestimation of the quality femdom porn market, I think there are also a lot of male subs who would buy into it as well, nowhere as near as much as the pantomime femdom porn, but I think femdom porn directed towards women, will inadvertently interest some male subs (please raise your hands if this is you lol), thus making it commercially viable.

I would pay, for quality porn that appeals to me. I’ve been looking for some for a long time, and found nothing but clichéd tripe. There have been times where I have been so dissatisfied with the quality of femdom porn, that I have considered making my own; I was so motivated by the utter tripe available that I went and did some long research into making my own femdom porn.


My femdom porn wish list:

I have various ideas for what I want to see, but the most important aspect is intensity and passion. Virtually all porn is lacklustre, stiff and comical. I want to see the participants *really* into it. Chemistry is SO important. As someone mentioned, I want to see the subtlety of the responses and interaction, as well as the more overt.

If the passion, intensity and chemistry is right, it doesn’t matter what the people look like, and to a certain extent, the activities.

Another thing that bothers me about femdom (and mainstream) porn, is the obsession with cock. I don’t care for close up shots of it, I don’t want to see a man frantically beating it off trying to stay hard for hours. I want to deal with the erection when I am ready and when/if I want it. Until then, it isn‘t important, it gets ignored, and he is my play thing - I want to see this reflected in femdom porn. The disproportionate male focus in any porn is big a turn off for me.

The whole, ‘weak male pig’ thing is a complete turn off as well.

And yeah, I agree about some femdon porn ‘storylines’ being about hating men, I don't want to see that, I can't relate to it. I want to see it from the angle of attraction, and doing it because they like each other… because BDSM is how they express their lust, as this is the angle I relate to.

I honestly get fed up with leather/pvc clad men and women in femdom porn, to me it’s the signature of bad femdom porn. I want to see realistic looking people. I want to see curvy attractive fem doms, and realistically/naturally attractive guys.

If it has a storyline, it needs to be a good, realistic plot and great storyline. A leather clad woman carrying a crop under her skirt, whilst watching over a male plumber in her kitchen is not realistic lol, and obviously catering to men. If it is a fantasy, then I want to see it treated as such, with a top notch story line and actors that can carry it off.

I also don’t want to see the woman ‘doing all the stuff’ to the man whilst he lays back and laps it up all the time. Whilst I want to see him being played and toyed with, and want to see his reaction to it, I’m also a sensation hedonist, and want to vicariously experience her getting pleasured and receiving. To me BDSM/domination isn’t necessarily about the male being passive, it's about the male pleasing whether that be in a passive or active role.  

Oh, and the most important thing - no fake orgasms! Another thing that is lacking in femdom (and vanilla) porn, is the genuine female orgasm, and the route that gets her there. I want to see femdom porn focused on the female orgasm - pretty much all porn I have seen, regardless of genre, lacks this. It’s almost as if it’s non existent, and when it does show it, it’s invariably fake, instantaneous, at the whim of the male, and achieved unrealistically.

Woah, that is a long list lol. So, uhhh, anybody know of any femdom porn like that? ;) I can’t believe there is not a market for all that is in my femdom porn wish list lol.




AAkasha -> RE: Porn (7/11/2008 7:56:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyLou

I have been a bit of a lurker here lately, but felt compelled to respond to this thread, as it resonates with me also. First things first though, hello :D

It’s a sad fact that ‘femdom’ porn seems male focused, because it is, that is where the big money is. The porn industry is about making money, and when it comes to femdom porn, most directors that make it just don’t have a clue, and cater to the angle they know that will make them money safely, hence why most of it is rubbish.

I actually think it’s a slight underestimation of the quality femdom porn market, I think there are also a lot of male subs who would buy into it as well, nowhere as near as much as the pantomime femdom porn, but I think femdom porn directed towards women, will inadvertently interest some male subs (please raise your hands if this is you lol), thus making it commercially viable.

I would pay, for quality porn that appeals to me. I’ve been looking for some for a long time, and found nothing but clichéd tripe. There have been times where I have been so dissatisfied with the quality of femdom porn, that I have considered making my own; I was so motivated by the utter tripe available that I went and did some long research into making my own femdom porn.


My femdom porn wish list:

I have various ideas for what I want to see, but the most important aspect is intensity and passion. Virtually all porn is lacklustre, stiff and comical. I want to see the participants *really* into it. Chemistry is SO important. As someone mentioned, I want to see the subtlety of the responses and interaction, as well as the more overt.

If the passion, intensity and chemistry is right, it doesn’t matter what the people look like, and to a certain extent, the activities.

Another thing that bothers me about femdom (and mainstream) porn, is the obsession with cock. I don’t care for close up shots of it, I don’t want to see a man frantically beating it off trying to stay hard for hours. I want to deal with the erection when I am ready and when/if I want it. Until then, it isn‘t important, it gets ignored, and he is my play thing - I want to see this reflected in femdom porn. The disproportionate male focus in any porn is big a turn off for me.

The whole, ‘weak male pig’ thing is a complete turn off as well.

And yeah, I agree about some femdon porn ‘storylines’ being about hating men, I don't want to see that, I can't relate to it. I want to see it from the angle of attraction, and doing it because they like each other… because BDSM is how they express their lust, as this is the angle I relate to.

I honestly get fed up with leather/pvc clad men and women in femdom porn, to me it’s the signature of bad femdom porn. I want to see realistic looking people. I want to see curvy attractive fem doms, and realistically/naturally attractive guys.

If it has a storyline, it needs to be a good, realistic plot and great storyline. A leather clad woman carrying a crop under her skirt, whilst watching over a male plumber in her kitchen is not realistic lol, and obviously catering to men. If it is a fantasy, then I want to see it treated as such, with a top notch story line and actors that can carry it off.

I also don’t want to see the woman ‘doing all the stuff’ to the man whilst he lays back and laps it up all the time. Whilst I want to see him being played and toyed with, and want to see his reaction to it, I’m also a sensation hedonist, and want to vicariously experience her getting pleasured and receiving. To me BDSM/domination isn’t necessarily about the male being passive, it's about the male pleasing whether that be in a passive or active role.  

Oh, and the most important thing - no fake orgasms! Another thing that is lacking in femdom (and vanilla) porn, is the genuine female orgasm, and the route that gets her there. I want to see femdom porn focused on the female orgasm - pretty much all porn I have seen, regardless of genre, lacks this. It’s almost as if it’s non existent, and when it does show it, it’s invariably fake, instantaneous, at the whim of the male, and achieved unrealistically.

Woah, that is a long list lol. So, uhhh, anybody know of any femdom porn like that? ;) I can’t believe there is not a market for all that is in my femdom porn wish list lol.


I'm with you on the entire wishlist. However, there's a big problem:  budget.

You want a good story line with a plot?  That requires a great script and believable actors.  Not likely found in porn.
You want intensity and passion?  That comes from not only chemistry, but great lighting, editing and music.  Not likely found in porn.

There's a whole list of reasons why porn in general can never be stylistically and passionately sound - it's not porn any longer, it's a feature film, or a short film - and with all those films come huge budgets, and still, often fall flat because it's so hard to get that to work.  I think that's the big challenge.

I'm all about finding a solution though - that isn't about hundreds of thousands of dollars, of course...
Akasha




BoiJen -> RE: Porn (7/11/2008 8:15:35 AM)

I'm still waiting on anything decent involving a FemDomme and a female bottom that can actually take shit.

On the upside..."Secret Diary of a Call Girl" was very entertainging on the ProDomme episode...


boiJen




LadyPact -> RE: Porn (7/11/2008 9:11:40 AM)

I haven't been on the thread because it takes a special kind of mood for Me to get into porn.  However, like some of the others, I most enjoy the ones I've done Myself.  Hot to watch, plus a good trip through the memories and all of the reactions that I had when it was made.  Knowing I was doing the scene makes it especially good for Me.






Coupleofwhats -> RE: Porn (7/11/2008 9:55:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyLou

I have been a bit of a lurker here lately, but felt compelled to respond to this thread, as it resonates with me also. First things first though, hello :D

It’s a sad fact that ‘femdom’ porn seems male focused, because it is, that is where the big money is. The porn industry is about making money, and when it comes to femdom porn, most directors that make it just don’t have a clue, and cater to the angle they know that will make them money safely, hence why most of it is rubbish.

I actually think it’s a slight underestimation of the quality femdom porn market, I think there are also a lot of male subs who would buy into it as well, nowhere as near as much as the pantomime femdom porn, but I think femdom porn directed towards women, will inadvertently interest some male subs (please raise your hands if this is you lol), thus making it commercially viable.

I would pay, for quality porn that appeals to me. I’ve been looking for some for a long time, and found nothing but clichéd tripe. There have been times where I have been so dissatisfied with the quality of femdom porn, that I have considered making my own; I was so motivated by the utter tripe available that I went and did some long research into making my own femdom porn.


My femdom porn wish list:

I have various ideas for what I want to see, but the most important aspect is intensity and passion. Virtually all porn is lacklustre, stiff and comical. I want to see the participants *really* into it. Chemistry is SO important. As someone mentioned, I want to see the subtlety of the responses and interaction, as well as the more overt.

If the passion, intensity and chemistry is right, it doesn’t matter what the people look like, and to a certain extent, the activities.

Another thing that bothers me about femdom (and mainstream) porn, is the obsession with cock. I don’t care for close up shots of it, I don’t want to see a man frantically beating it off trying to stay hard for hours. I want to deal with the erection when I am ready and when/if I want it. Until then, it isn‘t important, it gets ignored, and he is my play thing - I want to see this reflected in femdom porn. The disproportionate male focus in any porn is big a turn off for me.

The whole, ‘weak male pig’ thing is a complete turn off as well.

And yeah, I agree about some femdon porn ‘storylines’ being about hating men, I don't want to see that, I can't relate to it. I want to see it from the angle of attraction, and doing it because they like each other… because BDSM is how they express their lust, as this is the angle I relate to.

I honestly get fed up with leather/pvc clad men and women in femdom porn, to me it’s the signature of bad femdom porn. I want to see realistic looking people. I want to see curvy attractive fem doms, and realistically/naturally attractive guys.

If it has a storyline, it needs to be a good, realistic plot and great storyline. A leather clad woman carrying a crop under her skirt, whilst watching over a male plumber in her kitchen is not realistic lol, and obviously catering to men. If it is a fantasy, then I want to see it treated as such, with a top notch story line and actors that can carry it off.

I also don’t want to see the woman ‘doing all the stuff’ to the man whilst he lays back and laps it up all the time. Whilst I want to see him being played and toyed with, and want to see his reaction to it, I’m also a sensation hedonist, and want to vicariously experience her getting pleasured and receiving. To me BDSM/domination isn’t necessarily about the male being passive, it's about the male pleasing whether that be in a passive or active role.

Oh, and the most important thing - no fake orgasms! Another thing that is lacking in femdom (and vanilla) porn, is the genuine female orgasm, and the route that gets her there. I want to see femdom porn focused on the female orgasm - pretty much all porn I have seen, regardless of genre, lacks this. It’s almost as if it’s non existent, and when it does show it, it’s invariably fake, instantaneous, at the whim of the male, and achieved unrealistically.

Woah, that is a long list lol. So, uhhh, anybody know of any femdom porn like that? ;) I can’t believe there is not a market for all that is in my femdom porn wish list lol.


Yes!
You're totally right about female orgasms: I roll my eyes everytime porn depicts going down on a woman as two licks and a kiss that instantly yields a mindblowingly orgasm. (If only!) Or they make it seem that ALL women can orgasm with just penetration: how convenient.

I also really really really don't get the pathetic groveling sub thing. That does NOTHING for me. Who came up with that, and why do so many guys gravitate towards it? It's just tiring and obnoxious.




transsexual -> RE: Porn (7/11/2008 10:16:21 AM)

oh my, love your pictures. you have so many "different" looks! woowzie!




slavekal -> RE: Porn (7/11/2008 1:37:58 PM)

I think most of the "plots" in femdom porn stupid to the point of ridiculousness.  Stuff that could never happen, not hot, laughable.  Definitely fast forward material.  I have a few ideas for what I think are more realistic storylines.  I really need to produce a few.




Coupleofwhats -> RE: Porn (7/11/2008 1:39:34 PM)

Thank you!




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