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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/10/2008 7:38:12 PM

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It's not a matter of exposure, it's a matter of culture.
My point is simply that Michigan is not known for being steeped in Islamic culture.

Are you kidding me? Obviously you haven't been to Dearbornastan lately.

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/10/2008 7:41:13 PM

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My pleasure, Thadius ... though I admit, most of the info was from memory. I wrote my entire MA thesis on that specific verse (1 Cor 6:9) and focusing on the meaning of those two words in particular (including a small section addressing the history of translation, since it is quite fascinating -- in my own very nerdish opinion, of course ).

I enjoy the study myself, especially how a small change here or there or even the perception of how a given word could change the entire meaning of a passage. Just for reference I am going back and forth between Ezekiel and Revelation comparing the visions of the end times.

Let alone the fact that I cannot find anywhere in the various books talk of a "rapture".

Well that is enough sidetracking the thread. Maybe I should drive over to Grand Rapids this weekend and discuss the finer points with the person in the article.

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/10/2008 7:53:03 PM

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No rapture in the end of times books? Say it ain't so!! lol

Who am I kidding ... with all my deviant submissive acts and other sinful behavior (according to the Bible) I'll be heading downstairs when I finally kick the bucket - with all the other fun people. We'll make our own rapture. lol

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/10/2008 7:58:42 PM

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I do believe that it has some merit, but not "it's a solid case." In fact, it's a downright flimsy case, but it does deserve to be heard: it may result in an interesting verdict, which could potentially set a precedent that would hold publishers of religious tracts somehow responsible for what they publish. Personally, I'd like to see that.

I also believe that people that sue should have to pay the court costs of the individuals/corporations they sue if they happen to lose. (The United States is, if I'm not mistaken, the only country without such a policy in place.)

But frankly, I'm not a judge or a lawyer, let alone a Supreme Court justice--which is an important distinction because cases with this sort of thrust are more Federal than state--so I wouldn't know what (if anything) to award him. Like it or not, my opinion will have no bearing on the court's ruling. But I do know that some people sue strange people and companies and governments for strange reasons in order to set a legal precedent. (If his blog is attached to Obama's campaign website, you may want to check your premises.)

One legal precedent that might be set could be a zealotry-related deaths warning label for the Bible--"Deaths attributed to Christianity since the fourth century are more than for all other religions combined"--or perhaps the materials could be simply reclassified per the Dewey Decimal system to Historical Fiction (for example--again, I'm neither a lawyer nor a librarian... any librarians in the house?)

Nobody forced me to smoke cigarettes, but tobacco products kill a lot of people, and class-action suits were filed against tobacco companies for exactly that reason; those people won a lot of money; and now tobacco companies are required by law to be more responsible.

I hope that answers your questions.

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/10/2008 8:08:51 PM

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Who am I kidding ... with all my deviant submissive acts and other sinful behavior (according to the Bible) I'll be heading downstairs when I finally kick the bucket - with all the other fun people. We'll make our own rapture. lol

Try reading the Song of Songs (esp. in Hebrew) ...

[No whips or chains mentioned, though ... ]

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/10/2008 8:16:20 PM

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Thanks for giving me hope back, logos27abd! I'd rather hold out for my whips and chains, but I suppose I could get through eternity with only delicious spankings, if I must. lol

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/10/2008 8:34:19 PM

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Thanks very much for the reasonable thoughts.

I find it poignant, given the topic, that Miss Logos got to the bottom of these verses while writing a Master's thesis: one can't expect the masses for whom such doctrine is intended to pursue a Master's degree toward the end of better understanding the works upon which they base their faith.

Incidentally, it was Nebraska Senator Ernie Chambers who sought an injunction against God: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297121,00.html

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/11/2008 6:29:08 AM

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I've never understood how there can be so many translations of the Bible, with them all claiming to have the real translation and know the real meaning. Although it would be impossible I think it would be cool to compare the earliest versions with those still being translated today. It just makes me wonder how different it would be and what impact if any it would have on Christianity today.

You can get this easily with the Old Testament. The Torah is an Old Testament with sidebar commentary from several prominent rabbis of several hundred years ago. A modern synagogue service will have a short sermon in which a rabbi will take a Torah passage and interpret it within the context of modern life.

Consider yourself invited.

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/11/2008 7:12:13 AM

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/11/2008 7:16:57 AM

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I've never understood how there can be so many translations of the Bible, with them all claiming to have the real translation and know the real meaning. Although it would be impossible I think it would be cool to compare the earliest versions with those still being translated today. It just makes me wonder how different it would be and what impact if any it would have on Christianity today.

take even the first few weeks of a semester of biblical hebrew and you will begin to understand. i didn't continue with my study of it (mainly because i need sanskrit more for what i plan to do in graduate school and hebrew was just for fun) but even in the first few lines of genesis there's enough translation controversy to make your head spin, and i have yet to find a translation commonly used among christians that tries to adequately show the layers of meaning in the hebrew. seriously - if you have a chance to even sit in on beginning biblical hebrew or to speak with a professor, that would be a great place to start.

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/11/2008 7:17:54 AM

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Incidentally, it was Nebraska Senator Ernie Chambers who sought an injunction against God: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297121,00.html

Yes, and this was his reasoning:
"Chambers says he isn't suing God because he has any kind of beef with the deity. He says the suit is to fight possible laws restricting the filing of frivolous lawsuits. Chambers tells KPTM FOX 42 News that his lawsuit is in response to bills brought forth by other state senators to try and stop lawsuits from being filed.
"The Constitution requires that the courthouse doors be open, so you cannot prohibit the filing of suits," Chambers says. "Anyone can sue anyone they choose, even God." Chambers bases his ability to sue God, as, "that defendant, being omnipresent, is personally present in Douglas County."
So it didn't have anything to do with religion - he was merely making a point that even frivolous lawsuits should be permitted to be filed. I have no problem with that, provided the person who filed the suit pay damages to the court for wasting its time when it's tossed out without merit.

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In fact, it's a downright flimsy case, but it does deserve to be heard: it may result in an interesting verdict, which could potentially set a precedent that would hold publishers of religious tracts somehow responsible for what they publish. Personally, I'd like to see that.

See, that's probably my whole issue here. I deeply believe in personal responsibility. A lawsuit which says that he's not responsible for his own emotional health based on the evils of homosexuality which he read in the Bibie doesn't wash with me. If you disagree with something, use your intelligence and toss it aside. When the Mormon kids come to my door to tell me about their religion ... no, I don't listen. I'm polite, but I don't start questioning my faith. Same goes for other religious pamphlets I've seen. Personal responsibility...and a faith in that person's self to know what he/she believes is right and wrong.

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RE: Gay man sues Bible publishers for "emotional p... - 7/11/2008 8:16:13 AM

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A gay man has filed a lawsuit against two publishers of the Bible claiming the text that states homosexuality is a sin is offensive and has caused emotional distress.

He's suing for $70 million.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=69147

The Bible just about offends everyone. People will be queuing up to sue publichers if this bloke wins.

And I hope he does!

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