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locking Ballet Boots? - 7/11/2008 11:01:25 PM   
Plethora22


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I am most likely going to be purchasing a pair of these for myself in the next several days but I am a bit worried about quality, since they are coming over the internet.  Based solely on the pictures, it appears that there is really only one "maker" of these things around (at least one maker that makes them in quantity), as they are (or appear to be) the same pairs of boots for sale on numerous different websites (for roughly the same prices, give or take $10).  Furthermore, they do not appear to be of particularly good quality, though again I am basing this on pictures.  An example of what I am looking at can be seen here:
http://www.odgirl.com/cat--Fetish-Ballet-Collection--Footwear_FetishBallet.html

So I guess my question is, does anyone have experience with these?  Are they worth it or are they going to fall apart on me?  Can anyone recomend anything different/better?  I am willing to pay a good price if I have some reasonable assurances that I am getting something that will last (within reason, not about to spend $500 or anything, lol).
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RE: locking Ballet Boots? - 7/12/2008 12:44:00 PM   
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Heyas, the ballet boots are made by Pleaser/Demonia, who yes are the most "known" make of boots, in the USa/online, Even Pierre Silber stock the Demonia Line only
You can try http://punitiveshoes.com/database/ballets/catalogue_ballet.shtml, I believe theirs are made in Italy. I know they were having some problems with maintaining orders but they are a good site as a whole.
Im guessing it depends on what you are going to be wearing them as, if they are just for show, you should be ok, but walking around in them for hours and hours at a time, quite honestly I wouldnt expect them to last as long as a regular pair of shoes, simply because of the pressures of the foot ankle and calf against the seaming and the soles.
I also found a nice little site regarding foot training for ballet boots.... http://www.heikes-heels.de/english/trainer/training01.htm

and another link here regarding fitting and info about toe padding etc can be found here.... http://www.2heels.com/ballet.html

I hope this helps
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Lucy

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RE: locking Ballet Boots? - 7/12/2008 5:24:40 PM   
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Heya, I have a reasonable amount of experience in this area.

1. The "locking" ballet boots from Pleaser USA are actually velcro on the other side, but that's okay! I always use a seam ripper to pop off the velcro, and then carefully hand-stitch the strap back on, so the other side will lock.

2. You really, really want the DanzTech Toe Saver elite pads - the pink ones with the gel and powder, not the purple all-gell ones.

3. Eventually, the heels on these *WILL* snap off. The solution is to, BEFORE this happens, open up the boot and peel back the inside of the sole - you'll see a metal plate and two screws. Pull out those screws and get a pair of thicker and slightly longer wood screws, but make sure to eyeball the new screws to make sure they aren't going to punch out the back of the heel. I also tend to use a dremel to drill out two more holes for two more screws - four works a lot better than two. This takes some practice and you're likely to damage the first pair - I've done about 10 pairs like this now (and am working on starting up a bit of a local side-business, both in making the Pleaser boots functional for long-term wear and in providing training tips on how to wear them athletically for extended periods. But I digress.) Once you've screwed the new screws in so they're flush, just smooth the inside sole back down - don't bother re-gluing them, as you'll want to peel it back again someday if you ever need to replace the heels again.

This process will keep the heels on for a good long time, and provides you an opportunity to straighten any heel defects to boot (ha ha, heh... hmm.). With solid heels of the correct size and two pairs of DanzTech ToeSavers, there's no reason you can't actually dance or jog in them for hours at a time, if you're healthy and reasonably athletic.

I hope this helped!

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RE: locking Ballet Boots? - 7/12/2008 5:26:15 PM   
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Also, regarding said boots: I'm looking for someone Phoenix-local with a dancer's physique to do some modelling for the ballet boot mods I do. Just throwin' that out there.

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RE: locking Ballet Boots? - 7/14/2008 7:12:28 PM   
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Be careful we ordered a pair very simmular they had a pad lock but the other side of the trap was velcro I.E. not really a locking boot!

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RE: locking Ballet Boots? - 7/14/2008 8:30:50 PM   
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I know it is difficult to go through the endless list of past posts, however I strongly recommend it. I personally responded to a question very similar to this one in the past and actually had a moderator scold me for "replying to an old post".  I guess dredging up the past is frowned upon.  I'm going to try an organize this neatly...

First, to be perfectly honest, the locks are just for show.  If they are the right size then yes, they will work like an ankle cuff in that you wont be able to slide them off past your heel - the same could be accomplished by using a padlock through the laces or through the gromets the laces come through at the top.  I personally knew a Person on CM who made chainmail "jewelry" that was lockable and they were quite attractive.  Yes, you could "cut" the chain off, but the person with the keys would know, and you could cut the shoes the same way at a much more expensive cost.  You could also just wear any of the normal ankle cuffs over the tops of the boots.

Second, I've not heard of the Demonia/Pleaser line, but I do personally own a pair of DEVIOUS boots purchased at Sub-Shop.com  - they came in a black box with the Devious logo on them and they have the Devious logo on the boots themselves (on the bottom facing the heel).  If you do an internet search for the Devious company you'll actually find the EXACT same pictures you linked, just without the odgirl logo in the picture.

Third, they HURT.  and not because of putting my toes en pointe.  The way the laces are stitched on the inside presses against the inner top of the toes (just above the "clevage").  I admit the possibility this is because I got the wrong size.  The Sub-Shop site says to order one size larger then your normal shoe shize (for Women) because of the extreme heel.  The site also says to order two sizes larger for males.  Well, ordering three sizes too large seemed exessive, so my normal size is 10 and I purchased size 12.  I was wrong.  I can't say a 13 would be any better as I don't plan to spend that much money again without knowing for sure they will "work".

Fourth, I can't say for sure if it's just me or if it is the shoes themselves, however...  I can't stand up straight in them.  I am forced to keep my knees slightly bent, which isn't too bad standing still, but forces me to be top-heavy and lean forward when attempting to walk.  This could be a size thing, it could be because Womens knees bend differently (designed different by nature/God to aid in carrying the weight of a child during pregnancy).  Or, and this is my personal belief, the "shape" of the shoe wasn't designed with "use" in mind, they were designed to look sexy, not for walking.  The "angle" is off enough that the "arch" requiqired isn't attainable.  If I prop myself up with my hands and "tilt" backwards so the toes are about 1/2 inch off the ground and all my weight is just on the heel spike then I can straighten my knees.  So if the heel was very slightly shorter then the heel and toe could both touch the ground at the same time and my knees would be straight - this would make the shoes look awkward when not being worn as the heel and toe wouldn't be equal.

Fifth, I made the link in my past post to a model profile who purchased the pony shoes from Punitive Shoes and she was VERY unhappy with them.  She posted pictures with the shoes on and then took pictures of what her feet looked like after wearing them for the entire photo shoot.  Not pretty.  She appeared to be barefoot and it is possible socks or stalkings could relieve some of this.  Ballet dancers often wear tights and Ialdabaoth was kind enough to offer links for ballet supplies.  It could be the shoes, it could be the model, but the name Punitive leads me to believe they were designed with "discomfort" in mind.

Sixth, a co-worker who knows about my shoes was kind enough to point out that Rumer Willis (daughter of Bruce Willis and Demi Moore) poses in the SAME boots in People mags Worlds most beautifull people:  http://www.people.com/people/package/gallery/0,,20193583_20196426_4,00.html
Doing a search for the photographer yielded a second image of her in these shoes standing in the doorway of a trailer.  Turns out she is wearing them in a movie for the IFC about her getting revenge on a football player who only dates her to add her to his "bang book."  the movie is listed as "Wild Cherry" on internet movie database (IMDB.com).

Seventh, House of Gord  http://www.houseofgord.com/ and Anna Rose http://www.alterpic.com/ do a LOT of ballet heel images.  You might try to e-mail them with questions about where they order from.

Eighth, the Devious shoes are pvc.  pvc by nature "ages" faster then leather does.  It cracks and wrinkles.  The same Person who makes the chainmail told me not to wrap the laces around my ankle because this would damage the pvc.  I find they fit better and look better if I do, and I've seen corset pictures done the same way.  However, there are now crease marks across the back of the upper ankle, at the toes where they bend and on the sides where the ankles pivot/flex as I walk.  (as a side note, the way Rumer laces them in her picture is the same way I do...)  So in regards to "Falling apart"  they are still in one piece, they just appear less smooth and shiney.  They still shine, but they are "wrinkled" where the creases are.  Much the way aged leather appears.  Some people find the look pleasing.

Ninth, the shoes don't "breathe" well.  They get VERY hot inside which can make the feet swell, this becomes painfull even simply laying down and not walking in them if they are too small.  I fell asleep in them and woke to throbbing feet.  I honeslty don't know how the models do it. but who is to say they don't take them off in the middle of / right after the photo shoot?

I hope this helps.  If you can't find the earlier post send me a CM msg and I will track it down for you.

D.W. puppy

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RE: locking Ballet Boots? - 7/14/2008 9:20:09 PM   
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why not just find the boot or shoe that fits you well that you can actually wear  for long periods of time  then have them altered by a good ole cobbler near you adding  leather strapping D or O rings and locks .Give a craftsman some work and your more than likely going to end up with a much better longer lasting  product .Just my 

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RE: locking Ballet Boots? - 7/16/2008 5:41:53 PM   
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I agree with azropedntied.

I would add that I bet it is cheaper to buy a shoe that fits you well and have a cobbler add a lock to it than it is to get a shoe with a lock altered to fit you well.

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