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RE: LIES - 7/20/2008 12:27:20 PM   
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I'm going to let you in on a little secret. A lot of guys that like sitting in the "Dom" chair have huge bullshit insecurity complexes. And by "a lot," I mean most, and by "most" I mean pretty much all. What it sounds like to me is that your "Master" is not straight. Whether he's bisexual, just curious, or a good old fashioned closet commando, he brought up to you that he wants a guy. That was initially probably just to see how you'd react to it, which is representative to him of how other people in his life would react to it.

Long story short, he's probably embarassed he brought up wanting to try being with a dude since such an admission can be easily seen as castrating and disempowering. On top of lying, he probably has got no clue what he wants sexually or relationship-wise. Either break up with him or get used Bullshitville, population you and "Master."

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RE: LIES - 7/20/2008 12:27:37 PM   
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The bottom line is the OP doesn't trust her dom.  At least to my way of thinking, it's not really possible to submit given that so there he's not her dom.  I don't really understand what the point of going on past here is?  I mean, seriously, what other card do I have to play as a dom other than the trust/love cards.  If those become [this seriously] devalued, I have to fold the hand.

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RE: LIES - 7/20/2008 12:36:55 PM   
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Well yes there's no excuse for it but it does sound like soemthing is wrong with him. Has he had a physical lately?

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RE: LIES - 7/20/2008 7:21:33 PM   
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An indicator of dissociative identity disorder (most commonly known as multiple personality disorder) and other dissociative disorders is the individual blacking out or having periods of time that they don't remember. PTSD can precipitate a dissociative state, and traumatic brain injury can also cause someone to have real memory problems. Is he a war vet? (Not saying all war vets have PTSD or traumatic brain injury, of course.) Did he suffer childhood abuse?
Since a person with these kinds of memory problems may say or do things or have whole periods of time that they genuinely don't remember, such a person may commit a crime and then not remember it, or confess to it and then not remember the confession. Things like that. These people will vehemently deny those things that they really don't remember saying or doing, because of course they really have no recollection of it.

This sounds like what you're dealing with. If not, and he's really just purposely fucking with you, either way he's one seriously AFU (All Fucked Up) guy, and you should run as far away from him as fast as you can, to save yourself.
You cannot save him from himself. So save yourself from him.

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 4:40:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

An indicator of dissociative identity disorder (most commonly known as multiple personality disorder) and other dissociative disorders is the individual blacking out or having periods of time that they don't remember. PTSD can precipitate a dissociative state, and traumatic brain injury can also cause someone to have real memory problems. Is he a war vet? (Not saying all war vets have PTSD or traumatic brain injury, of course.) Did he suffer childhood abuse?
Since a person with these kinds of memory problems may say or do things or have whole periods of time that they genuinely don't remember, such a person may commit a crime and then not remember it, or confess to it and then not remember the confession. Things like that. These people will vehemently deny those things that they really don't remember saying or doing, because of course they really have no recollection of it.

This sounds like what you're dealing with. If not, and he's really just purposely fucking with you, either way he's one seriously AFU (All Fucked Up) guy, and you should run as far away from him as fast as you can, to save yourself.
You cannot save him from himself. So save yourself from him.


This is what I was going to say.  It sounds exactly like the form of dissociative disorder where amnesia occurs.  It is a very serious psychological problem, but also a very sad and almost untreatable one.  People around a person like that don't understand - they think they are everything that has been speculated in this thread.  The person suffering from it often has no idea and will never have an idea - personality disorders are most often like that.  The person thinks they are normal and everyone ELSE is strange therefor never getting or seeking help even when confronted.

This said - I would get out of this situation.  Just because it may not be directly his fault that he lies to you doesn't mean its ok for you to put up with it.  You need to protect yourself first - as dreamer said, if you cannot save him you must save yourself.  And the prognosis for a person like this is not often a good one.

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 8:58:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: uninterested5

I'm going to let you in on a little secret. A lot of guys that like sitting in the "Dom" chair have huge bullshit insecurity complexes. And by "a lot," I mean most, and by "most" I mean pretty much all. What it sounds like to me is that your "Master" is not straight. Whether he's bisexual, just curious, or a good old fashioned closet commando, he brought up to you that he wants a guy. That was initially probably just to see how you'd react to it, which is representative to him of how other people in his life would react to it.

Long story short, he's probably embarassed he brought up wanting to try being with a dude since such an admission can be easily seen as castrating and disempowering. On top of lying, he probably has got no clue what he wants sexually or relationship-wise. Either break up with him or get used Bullshitville, population you and "Master."


I'm quoting myself to help this thread find a center of gravity and get it out of orbit from around Planet Stupid. He probably doesn't have disassociative personality disorder, schizophrenia, or any other bullshit that most people diagnosed with don't actually have. Let's re-examine the facts of this case. He told you he wants to fuck a guy.
You brought it up and asked him about his claim that he wants to fuck a guy. He hurriedly makes to act like he never brought it up. It's not Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. It's Post I Just Told My Girlfriend I Wanna Bang A Guy disorder. Seriously, put your thinking cap on and mill all this over. It's not rocket science.

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 9:25:30 AM   
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He didn't actually say he wanted to fuck a guy he said he wanted to do more intense SM and had a guy he was thinking of as a partner for it. 

How can you say most people who are diagnosed with mental illness don't have said mental illness - are you psychic?  Seriously, maybe you don't like the mental health field but to make broad sweeping statements like that shows your lack of understanding and knowledge of mental illness.  You probably think "those kinds of people" are just weak and should suck it up and get on with life. Hope you and yours never has to deal with schizophrenia.

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 9:31:12 AM   
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You say tomato, I say fuckin' a dude. And yeah, how dare I say something about the mental health scam err profession. What incentive would multi-million dollar medical practices and multi-billion dollar pharmecutical companies have from convincing the general public it has a disorder it needs the doctor to diagnose and the drugs to fix? I'm just a cynical asshole, how dare I doubt something as clearly benign and long-historied as the pharmecutical industry?

However, don't get winded from that little jog down Common Sense Boulevard, there are bigger fish to fry in this thread.

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 9:35:54 AM   
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Spend one day with schizophrenics or bi polars and then come back and spout your nonsense. 

You can say tomato all you want - doesn't change one bit what the original op ACTUALLY SAID. 

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 9:40:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: uninterested5

You say tomato, I say fuckin' a dude. And yeah, how dare I say something about the mental health scam err profession. What incentive would multi-million dollar medical practices and multi-billion dollar pharmecutical companies have from convincing the general public it has a disorder it needs the doctor to diagnose and the drugs to fix? I'm just a cynical asshole, how dare I doubt something as clearly benign and long-historied as the pharmecutical industry?

However, don't get winded from that little jog down Common Sense Boulevard, there are bigger fish to fry in this thread.



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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 9:40:13 AM   
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What exactly did the original poster say? Oh yeah, that's right, that her boyfriend lies like fuckin' crazy and she has no reason to trust anything he says whatsoever. And he supposedly asked what she'd think about having a "male slave SM partner?" Please, throw your pseudo-ambiguous shit away, the rainbow is flying clear as day out of this post. I know it's the "spiritual" thing to do to totally fly the other way in the face of evidence and common sense, but seriously, denying how completely right in every way I am here is just silly.

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 9:48:15 AM   
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If you want to impose your own conclusions from what you glean out of the op that's fine, just own up to it and not change what was actually said in the original op so other posters can come to their own conclusions.  He lies so naturally it follows he wants to fuck a guy - sorry but i don't see that as a natural conclusion anyone can come to. 

An open mind is a wonderful thing. 

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 9:56:41 AM   
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I am not trying to insult you in any way but I really feel like I am trying to explain this to a small child or someone with a cognitive disability. Firstly, he says he wants a male slave around. Take that however way you want, but for those with common sense, there's only one way that CAN be taken: he has sexual interest in men. I'll even use BDSM language for you. This chicks dominant boyfriend wants to dominate a submissive male and possibly have him at some point move in with him for the purpose of continuing a relationship based on one dude dominating anothe dude. Realistically, a circle jerk on a rainbow train chugging through Provincetown on a gay pride parade isn't going to get gayer than that. The fact that he immediately disavowed all knowledge of knowing anything about that guy and pretended he never said he wanted to to dominate him is such a clear red flag of him being ashamed of expressing it in the first place that I feel not getting it is pretty much the argumentative equivalent of standing in a field staring at the sun going "I don't see it."

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 10:02:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: uninterested5

I am not trying to insult you in any way but I really feel like I am trying to explain this to a small child or someone with a cognitive disability. Firstly, he says he wants a male slave around. Take that however way you want, but for those with common sense, there's only one way that CAN be taken: he has sexual interest in men.


At the risk of this being just a head-banging exercise for me, I'll say that I know quite a few people in male-male Master/slave relationships where sex is NO PART of it. 

And the explaining to a small child?  Yeah, we get that too.

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 10:09:23 AM   
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You are forgetting that that was not the only "lie he forgot" that he told her. Had it been the only one i can see how you might jump to the conclusion you did.  

i was with a sadist who LOVED dominating men and i can tell you unequivocably he was  not gay or even bi.  SM doesn't have to involve sex.  

Can the passive agressive bs insults, if you disagree with me that's fine, there's no need for insults. 

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 11:29:07 AM   
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Ok on topic first.  I have seen what happens when someone else has gained someone's userid/password on multiple online sites.  What happens is that some ass starts sending all sorts of nonsense to people that make the real user seem gay/pervy/assholeish or whatever.  I certainly can't say that's what happened here but it could be very a very easy explanation for the real person to have no idea what was said under the imposter's session.  Easy enough to fix, use voice or phone as verification and change passwords on the account and the backing email account.

As to this other crap, well someone is sounding a bit homophobic.  There are of course closeted gay people as there are also openly gay people.  There are people that like to top people without sex, and gender doesn't matter.  There are liars (which I think we all are or have been at times), game players and people with real emotional or mental disorders.  I am no fan of a lot of what pharmaceutical companies do but I don't think that them making a profit means that all of their cures are bullshit.  They also make antibiotics and birth control pills but people really do get bacterial infections and people really do get pregnant.

[edited to add this wasn't directed at you velvet]

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 11:41:40 AM   
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I would confront him about it, and explain your feelings about these little lies.

It Looks to me like he does these things to test your reaction - I could be wrong but that was my first impression. I would simply ask him to be straightforward and if could not do that simple thing then I would let him go. I Hate it little lies and sugarcoated crap. So, have a talk and strighten it out if you believe hed be understanding enough to listen and reevaluate his actions.


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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 4:10:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MusicalBoredom

Ok on topic first.  I have seen what happens when someone else has gained someone's userid/password on multiple online sites.  What happens is that some ass starts sending all sorts of nonsense to people that make the real user seem gay/pervy/assholeish or whatever.  I certainly can't say that's what happened here but it could be very a very easy explanation for the real person to have no idea what was said under the imposter's session.  Easy enough to fix, use voice or phone as verification and change passwords on the account and the backing email account.
(snip)


You know I thought that too. Is the original OP sure that the person who she spoke to was indeed her Master? Does her Master have a roomate of any kind? Its a reasonable explanation if the facts fit the case.

You cannot put a premium on the truth. I know for myself a minor unintended omission on my part upset someone I was getting to know and she had every right to be upset. Fortunately we got past it but I felt pretty foolish.  Obviously the OP's Dom does not if he is the culprit.  I will say it does not feel like some sort of mental disability, gut instinct nothing more, but more a case of disrespect.



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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 6:18:15 PM   
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liar.... move on.... he also plays major mind games by denying what was discussed? sweets.... he is trying to make you doubt yourself and what YOU KNOW you heard. run

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RE: LIES - 7/21/2008 6:31:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelstrands

please can anyone give some advice to something that has been an ongoing problem in a relationship?,  the Dom in question often had told me lies.


This is all I needed to read to say that this man is not in a position to be in control. Whether he purposely lies or has an issue/condition causing it does not matter. He cannot be in control of another without causing damage.

If you decide to stay with this man then you need to drop the Ds and figure out what is going on. My opinion of people that lie continuously, no matter what their reasons, is that they are completely out of control of their lives. I wouldn't want to be around when that all comes around to bite him in the ass and he doesn't have enough ass to cover it. And it will come around.

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