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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 12:29:47 PM   
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Aside: I wasn't aware that we weren't allowed to post images within threads. Sorry about that. I didn't see it in the forum guidelines, so either I completely skipped over it, or there's another set of rules somewhere. Can someone help me out? I don't want to keep commiting such faux pas.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 12:38:34 PM   
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::shakes head:: LOL Okay, so now you ADMIT trying to deceive me to test me. In one little sentence, you destroyed all your previous statements about not being judgemental, -- about how you trust blindly. Do I need to cut and paste what you wrote???

Now I get the picture, You wanted to create this little Q&A to usepretzel logic to do what everyone else in here who does not want to stay on topic is doing. You want to vent on someone and bring attention to yourself. 

As that I hate arguing with people who do not stand behind common sense and good logic. I'm done here.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 12:40:22 PM   
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Folks, the MOD has asked me to refrain from name calling. I apologize for all slips of the tongue and yes, I should know better.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 12:51:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: anguisette22

Aside: I wasn't aware that we weren't allowed to post images within threads. Sorry about that. I didn't see it in the forum guidelines, so either I completely skipped over it, or there's another set of rules somewhere. Can someone help me out? I don't want to keep commiting such faux pas.


I don't know that some of the rules are actualy written down, the TOS at the bottom of the page, and forum guidelines and the commentary by moderators at the top of forums rather is about the lot of it.

That picture embedding caught me once.

Some stuff you just gotta hang out for and find out.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 12:52:53 PM   
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So, what are your favorite kind of forum topics, Knight? This one must be making you shake your head.


I have no particular favorites... and as far as this thread... I confess that I haven't wasted alot of time reading more than 10% percent of what has been posted.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 12:54:19 PM   
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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 12:57:13 PM   
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::shakes head:: LOL Okay, so now you ADMIT trying to deceive me to test me. In one little sentence, you destroyed all your previous statements about not being judgemental, -- about how you trust blindly. Do I need to cut and paste what you wrote???

Now I get the picture, You wanted to create this little Q&A to usepretzel logic to do what everyone else in here who does not want to stay on topic is doing. You want to vent on someone and bring attention to yourself. 

As that I hate arguing with people who do not stand behind common sense and good logic. I'm done here.


Actually, there was no deception involved.  I did not imply I never met them.  I simply refrained from full disclosure of the facts.  I had no care, either way, what your response would be, aside from proving my hypothesis correct or not.  My motivations were then, and remain as always to garner as much knowledge for myself to determine my own judgements.  If unraveling your logic took only three questions on my part, I fail to see how it reflects negatively upon  me, personally. 

Quite contrary to your continued assumptions, I do not enjoy seeing people respond in an easily predictable manner.  And contrary to your continued assumptions, my motivations are ambivalent toward you as a person and were geared toward filtering through the logic of your original post.  You posted information and a recipe for something I found of value enough to consider.  I as a recipient, was left with learning more about the source and determining if that source was reliable and if the logic presented held up under scrutiny.  From my perspective, it did not. 

To my knowledge, I have done so respectfully, politely and openly.  Any reading you take contrary to that, would be, in your  own words, evidence of projecting and denial.

With respect,
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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 12:58:09 PM   
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SunshineMmiss

It seems to me you personalized what I posted. This is a sign that you should rethink what you write. It was not directed at you and how YOU handle your relationships on here is really your own business. If your method works, then it works for you. Hurray! But there are people who are banging their head against the wall and they are NOT you...

Second, I give back what I get. I made a post and whenever someone threw vinegar at me, I simply mirrored it back. This is called the behaviorist milieu approach, No, it's not always pretty. But the world is a dichotomy, it is both pretty and ugly at the same time.

Finally, you strike me as someone who takes the noble path... someone who when is handed the vinegar, you take it with a smile placing yourself above it. I call that masochistic and unneccessary.

Since you did not claim to be a therapist and appear to have no training as one, you speak from experience but seem to be falling victim to the concept that the world is as YOU see it. You are also ignorant to the articles published by prominant therapists about the communities on the internet. M favorite authors were all women, by the way.

As much as you are entitled to your opinion, your post is passive-aggressive manner of lashing out and your post wreaks of denial.

My advice to you is don't call the kettle black. This post was designed to share a technique, the profile of the bandit mentality and it is up to the member to decide when and how the technique should be used. Surprised you didn't get that.


hello Bittersweet,

Abraham Lincoln was a wise man.  He is  attributed as saying "Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

Words you might want to consider before making multitudes of (wrong) presumptions about people.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 1:05:31 PM   
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So, having a friendly chat to fill the lonely hours is not acceptable in your world? Yes, lots of people are on here to get a little porn from a real live person. It's ok. Not every relationship has to lead to sex. It is possible you may learn something from someone you never actually meet that will make you smile or just enjoy your day more or see things in a different light.
So get over yourself and your precious time constraints. Look at this site as a party. Do you expect to sleep with everyone you chat with at a party? It's just a fun fantasy, a flirtation that can go farther than in real life.
If someone was good for you, you would know it, and would be able to meet in real time fairly soon. Perhaps the other person knew that, but enjoyed your company.
Relax, it's ok. The world in not out to get you. The Universe loves you and wants you to be happy.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 2:34:38 PM   
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Once ywe place something in writing, we cannot undo what was said. It seems to me you are now backpaddling and since you are intelligent, I will take the painstaking effort of holding you in place long enough to see your own contradictions.I am going to do this by cutting and pasting segments of your own statements.
 
You said:
 
Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.  I like to get a few blanks filled in before I decide if a source is reliable or not or if any prescribed method is of value to me.  I think it is a good recipe for weeding out the 'undesirables' if that is what you are wanting to do.  I wonder, though.  How successful it really was.  By your own admission, you only met a small handful of people and achieved no real long-term benefit from the approach.
 
Actually, you are using pretzel logic here; the only reliable source will be documented scientifically or at worse, tried in real life to see what may come. The fact that I said I met three people in person from all the years of internet experience is not a discredit -- it's actually a huge success, considering how long internet has been a means for meeting people. (Actually, it's five in total, but since these were never romantic interests, I did not count them - and both Reese and Romana are VERY close friends now.) The fact that I busted about 30 crazies and eliminated maybe 100 more people NOT suited for me -- well, that too suggests tremendous success. Because if I had been suckered by time bandits, I might NEVER have met the five I did. Again, bad logic on your part. You seem more anxious to prove me wrong than analyzing carefully.
 
So far, this is still following the topic and an intelligent debate, but your logic is strange. Then you go on to put your foot in your mouth by making a statement in one paragraph and then eating your words in the paragraph that follows. But there's another pretzel logic statement that sort of gets in the way.
 
My own personal approach is vastly different.  I take people at their word, accept them at face value - unless they prove otherwise to me.  Only then do I dismiss them. ... (edited out some irrelevant statements here)... My point is this.  I wonder at the opportunities you have missed out on, using your prescribed method.  If you are dismissing so many, and NOT finding a successful, fulfilling relationship in the ones you do opt to move forward witih, then perhaps your approach would serve you better by re-examining it. 

Sorry, that ONLY makes sense if I had LIMITED opportunities. One can't worry about all the opportunities missed when other opportunities are constantly presenting themselves. Okay, so I am lucky. Whatever. And I can only meet those who appeal to my senses and interest me, so I have to narrow it down. And again, you missed the whole point of the POST. I've corresponded with these people a while now, they are telling me I am special, important, yadda yadda, they want my time in snail mail or want me to move very slowly and watch the internet. Fine, Then I need some verification that I am not wasting my time. A simple phone call with the caller ID blocked is safe enough... doesn't matter if they call me, does it? Who is now at risk for being stalked? Me! And then I must ask, do I want to be with someone who is terrified to chat on the phone when they claim I am what I seek?
 
And then what of my non-internet social life? Yes, that life takes up 95% of my time.

I tend to trust my instincts, and base my judgemnts off of what I observe.  Online and off.  For example.  From your posts and responses, I would say that you are intelligent and highly adaptive. 
 
So, where is this going? Is this flattery or a lead in to what then...
 
 While you respond seemingly too defensively, too quickly in a harsh and negative manner, you seem to recognize when you have possibly erred and fall back upon charm and good looks to re-insert yourself into other's good graces. 
 
Oh really now. So you are saying is that I should tolerate abusive posts that are thinly disguised by the topic and that I should  a) care what strangers really think of me online   b) charm people when I make mistakes  c) try to re insert myself into other's good graces
 
Wow. I am glad you can tell all that from a few posts on a message board. Actually, I am known as a tongue in cheek humorist. I can joust and then alternately joke from one moment to the next because I DO NOT have a vested interest in strangers on a message board. I have no idea who these people are or what they are like. (Though odds are if they are pests online, they are not happy in life.)
 
However, when they come at me violating common sense and think they can be saucey or judgemental ... (because so few others are capable of handling them).... then isn't it obvious they want a joust? It's about them and their insecurities and their need to lash out. Ah.. How I get a thrill out of putting people who are out of line back in their place! Isn't that what Dom's do? Reward good behavior and admonish the bad?
 
I imagine this works pretty good for you, until you react negatively too often and your charisma becomes tarnished. 
 
Again, you think I seem to be worried about a reputation on here. I am standing in this community, but I feel no ownership. I think MOST of the people on the internet need serious help. They are not my equals and many would creep me out in person.
 
Statistics and research proves ALL this to be a fact. Internet is the great equalizer. So, I go with the odds; look both ways before I cross a busy highway and don't bunjee jump without testing the elastic.
 
Finally, as that you seem to be an expert on what I am thinking, it completely contradicts the  non-judgemental, logical, unbiased person you tried to come across as in your earlier posts.
 
As that I don't even remotely share your ethical opinions on trusting strangers and have none of the desires to be LIKED by this community, you, my friend, "appear" to be projecting insecurities into me that never existed. For that, your credibility is shot to hell.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 2:48:20 PM   
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Again, like so many here earlier, you are focusing on bits of pieces of this train wreck and not looking at HOW things are being said. Why is this obvious fact being ignored??????

People introduced themselves making some harsh assumptions about me, evident in their attacking or condescending manner of presenting their thoughts. I feel no shame in responding back with a dose of their own medicine.

And while we are on the subject, do I think I was accurate in my assessments? As a therapist I know that by the nature of an attack, the attacker will project their own faults onto someone else. Even if  I was off the mark, I don't even care if i was accurate. If a mule kicks me, I just kick him back and I don't pay attention to the shoes I am wearing when I deliver fair game.

-- Lincoln also gave his life to unify a divided country and stood up to foes within his own ranks as well as the slavery loving south. I would say the man knew when to be quiet and when to take a stand.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 2:50:22 PM   
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The OP's response to people such as Winsom and Sandy who were nothing but polite to him only proves that a polite, rational response will not sway this person. He has already determined to be rude and condescending to anyone who even remotely disagrees with him, so there's no point trying to point out the many logical holes in his statements.

Although I'm done trying to point out to you the inaccuracies of your beliefs, I'm still going to stick around and defend those you keep flaming. I think it's my duty as a concerned community member to protect more trusting people from your unauthorized psychoanalysis.

Actually, why don't we apply your own methods here? Prove me wrong: post a photo of yourself holding your degree, standing next to your screen with this thread on it.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 2:56:19 PM   
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These people added their opinion and then peppered it with insults of character, accusations and all kinds of rudeness, if even suble... just as you continue to do incessantly.

The few who have issues are the ones who WON'T let it go.

I suggest we all get back on TOPIC.

Now -- if you can add something intelligent to this post --without adding your opinion to who I am, how I speak, how I write, how I think or faults in my character-- if you can do that specifically by questioning the actual statements in the post and refraining from sounding arrogant and emotionally irrationale -- then go for it -- otherwise, stop misbehaving.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 2:57:40 PM   
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Why are you avoiding my challenge?

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 3:01:36 PM   
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You might want to consider following the advice you're handing out before this thread gets locked down.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 3:03:59 PM   
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On Topic.

I found the OP a piece of dreary pedestrian pedantic.  Bottom line, but not said, meet in real time at some point, not several years hence.

The whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today.

This is also dreary pedestrian pedantic.  It will change no lives in any meaningful sense.

What I found illuminating, if anything, was that the OP then went on to exclaim some BA in communications from some very minor seat of learning and pretty much fended ALL posts with the 'Here, let me help you out, you don't get it, let me hep you to my wisdom.' sort of granduer.

A really inconsequential thing, in all respects, I should think.

Ron

(Sorry pal, it didn't move me).

My opinion, on topic.

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 3:09:22 PM   
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I have to admit to not reading the full 7 pages. I did skim through it a bit.. and I read the first, and last couple of pages.. and of course the Op's new profile. I have read his prev. incarnation as well in the past.

These are my thoughts on the topic of time bandits, mind you I was disapointed not to see midgets in garb damn it.

There are so many people out there in our community that are what I call The "Walking Wounded" They are so emotional damaged that I wonder how on Earth they function well enough to hold down a job.. and I am sure many in fact do not. Mind you these walking wounded who blame thier issues ( not merely tissues, and sometimes whole bloodly subscriptions!) on those they have had relationships with.. or perhaps thier parents. Maybe Society at large is to blame. Where ever they place the blame for thier issues.. it never has anything to do with personal responsiblity. Some have become clever and know how to play games.. and do the bait and switch. Yes.. it is true.

However.... having come across these types more times then I can count.. and daresay even falling for one recently ( to the tune of 7 years) I have not allowed myself to also become one of these unforunates. I can not look at everyone bitterly and just wait for them to do the merest thing to throw off my groove so I can toss them aside. I did that in my youth. Having watched enough Seinfield episodes.. I realized how juvenile that really is. Of course no one is perfect. Life is about compromise. Look at what happened to the last guy who was Perfect? *chuckles* ( Easter mean anything to you? )

Of course we all have our standards of what or who is or is not acceptable. To others our own standards may seem to be too broad, or too narrow. But they are ours none the less.

However if your standard is a 4'7 asian girl with blue eyes, and an IQ of 170 or above 18-23 Good luck on that. ( I only hit one of those things damn it. )

So I hope that you all out there are being safe, are being sane about your choices... careful of whom you trust.. but not to the point where everyone is a potenial looser only set upon making your life miserable. When you think with that mind set you have become one of those walking wounded we try so hard to advoid.

Forgive and move on. All will be happier in the end if you do.

Gwyn

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 3:10:44 PM   
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With respect, Bittersweet - deferring judgement until more information is acquired, is not the same as claiming to be non-judgemental.  I form opinions, bias and personal judgements all the time.  Rarely, do I apologize for having done so, and it certainly won't be forthcoming in this case.

Clarifying your fallible logic in reference to myself is not the same as back pedaling.  I have never swayed from my stance, in any of my posts (on this topic). 

I have had the pleasure of debating things with people on this board, and the uncomfortable pleasue of having to concede my stance on things when the one presenting the opposing argument did so in a way that had me rethink my original viewpoint.  In fact, one of my very first posts on CM, if not THE original post, was one such, and it was Alumbrado who steered me in the right direction, and cleared up misconceptions I had.  I did concede my point to him.  I was honored to do so, and loved that I came away with some new insight into things.  I never go into any discussion unable and unwilling to concede or stand firm on an issue. 

Your stance however, fails to move me and yes - this IS about me.  Why?  Because if I choose to apply your recipe for eliminating Time Bandits, it is because I am seeking a relationship OFFLINE and therefor, my interest is self-serving.  My intentions were never altruistic.  I wanted answers, I asked them.  I received them.  I came to my conclusions about your recipe for eliminating Time Bandits, based off the answers you provided for me to fill in th blanks.  

Your original post and prescribed methods are not for me.  It is as simple as that.

What exactly is your malfunction with this?

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 3:11:13 PM   
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I don't even care if i was accurate. 


Bitter Sweet,
This is perhaps the most telling thing you have said.  I will no longer visit here for I don't care to interact with people who are laissez-faire about their words.  I seek those who have honor in their dealings with others.  Some of us have no need to posture.  Our history speaks for itself.  And we do care about accuracy.

If in fact you are a therapist (which god I hope you aren't), you should be ashamed of yourself for acting this way.  You are a poor example of those very good people who work hard to help people find their own way. 

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RE: How to Spot a Time Bandit on CM - 7/13/2008 3:11:36 PM   
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Ever listen to a debate that was not backstabbing political style? There are rules. The first rule is to isolate a statement you wish to challenge. It's best to cut and paste it so everyone can see it. Then you ask where, what, why or how this statement came about. In that response you listen to see if there was anything you misunderstood or perhaps was too brief to be clearly communicated.

If there is a flaw in the logic, you challenge that particular statement with the errors in logic. Then it would the other person's turn to either spot the flaw or -- state more about the logic -- or point out where that concern was addressed somewhere else.

Once people add off-topic self attention to the debate, especialy if they are attacking emotionally, their credibilty for thinking with a level head is surrendered.

In essense, you have to start over and use logic. I will gladly answer anything that commands an intelligent response.

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