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RE: Who is really dominant? - 7/30/2004 8:40:08 AM   
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It will take you about 10 minutes... and it's someone interpretation of Butler so it doesn't hurt the brain as much ;)


I did follow the link, and responded to it, Lady Angelika. Thank you for showing it.

On Taggard's comments, I have always wanted to micturate in the gene pool. But then I have worked with kids all my life and find it rewarding to do so. One of my spawn is a national merit scholar, the other one is in a gifted magnet program. But once I had successfully done so, I went and got fixed (like a cat) since I figure 2 people carrying on my genetic information is enough. They both tend to worry me, especially the older one who is one of the most articulate and intelligent people I have been honored to have in my life.

On the subject of procreation, however, there is an interesting aspect to it. 10 years ago, China was on the verge of doubling their population, with India close behind them. A few years ago, China and India experienced parity of deaths to births, and now are in decline of birth rate vs. death rate.

The governments of these countries came out and expressed that their birth control policies had made this happen, when, in fact, what really caused it was the cultural bias towards male children. Given the opportunity to have one child, modern testing methods can determine the gender of the fetus and more and more couples are aborting female babies since culturally it is the male who cares for the adults when they reach old age.

So now both countries have higher male populations than female populations.

We see a similar thing happening in Australia and Canada. I am not sure why this is the case for those two countries, although they are also experiencing a decline in birth rate. Australia is considering tax breaks for couples who have children in order to boost their population.

In the United States more and more middle-class and upper-class families are choosing to postpone having kids until later in life, or not having children at all. Whereas those in the lower sociological strata continue to procreate. I am not sure what that means, but it does bring to mind a Kurt Vonnegut story (name escapes me, little help?) where society had two intellectual tiers, the extremely bright and the mindless dullards. In his society, the bright ones were run ragged trying to keep the dullards alive.

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 7/30/2004 8:44:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrThorns
First chance to pop in here on this topic...and I think I'm waaaay over my head already..between the metaphysical musings of "if a dominant falls in a forrest, how many pancakes does it take to wallpaper a doghouse?", to the battle of Thermopolae, to the National Organization of Women...I'm not sure what topic to respond to.


All of this is revelevant in to the topic of Power which is in part Dominance. There is sexual dominance, emotional and intellectual dominance and social dominance.

The original post asked who was the dominant, Dom or sub. We simply decided to push further. I love how we sometimes digress, sometimes trangress. It's a wonderful Web we are weaving.

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Instead of wondering who was turned off, I am always wondering who we turned on. *wink*

Even if dominance isn't all about me, these boards damn well are!

No! They turn me on on and so it's all about ME :p

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 7/30/2004 9:25:26 AM   
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We see a similar thing happening in Australia and Canada. I am not sure why this is the case for those two countries, although they are also experiencing a decline in birth rate. Australia is considering tax breaks for couples who have children in order to boost their population.


I can give you an explanation for the province of Québec, which is the Canadian province that experienced the hugest decline and has one the lowest birth rates in the world.

Since the arrival of Jacques Cartier and the founders of La Nouvelle France, there has always been a huge push from the Church to colonise this province. Note that the majority religion in Québec is Roman Catholic. In the 70s, during La Révolution Traquile (The Quiet Revolution?) a huge separation of Church and state in this province began. Church attendance dropped, marriage rates dropped, abortions rates went up as did divorce rates. The law changed where women did not automatically inherit their husbands name at marriage. In fact, here in Québec, if you get married and you want to take your husband’s name officially, you have to request an official name change and pay the $500 fees that come with it. Common law unions are recognised as equal to those with marriage certificates the moment you make your first tax declaration as a couple. (Note that it has become trendy again to get married but it’s really an excuse to show off fancy gowns and throw a lavish affair). In urban areas such as Montreal, the Dinks (double income, no kids) became a huge trend. The Canadian economy was a huge factor in all this. The fact that the average Québécois’ work week is 43 hours is a huge factor. The fact that what the Church said didn’t matter anymore was also a huge factor.

In fact, the birth rates are not high amongst the French Canadians, but rather are staying up due to the Haitian, Vietnamese, Chinese and North African immigration that fills nearby Montreal.

And yes, not only are there tax cuts for people who have kids, but parents receive a cash bonus from the government for each child they have. I’m not sure exactly what the amounts are as it’s not pertinent to me, but I know they are considerable.

How do I tie this all into the topic for those sticklers of sticking with topics… well this all about how society evolves according to who’s ideology is the most Dominant.

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 7/30/2004 9:36:45 AM   
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Your are getting your Ladies mixed up ;)


This is why I generally follow the path of serial monogamy.

I get myself mixed half the time. Luckily, the Department of
Motor Vehicles gives me something I can use to remind me
what my name is.

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 7/30/2004 9:43:48 AM   
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How do I tie this all into the topic for those sticklers of sticking with topics… well this all about how society evolves according to who’s ideology is the most Dominant.


This is why when people post things like "How do you justify Dominance" I tend to
respond with "Well, what is your definition of Dominance?" It allows all people adding to the soup of intellectual discourse to have a common meeting ground to start from.

Social events and issues do interact with groups, both majority / mainstream groups and fringe element groups. The fact that Canada has a declining population and the social factors which cause this will at some point have a significant impact on WIITWD, and I
personally find it fascinating to see how other people view these things.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 7/30/2004 10:19:23 AM   
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Luckily, the Department of
Motor Vehicles gives me something I can use to remind me
what my name is.


The DMV in Cali just gives it to you? Here in Penna we have to pay to renew our drivers license (and vehicle registration, for that matter, which also has my name on it)

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 7/31/2004 8:34:17 AM   
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So, the door is closed, and your brother's in arms are emptying the contents of their magazines, firing napalm at, throwing grenades at a closed door, suppressing the door in case it gets "uppity."

You only have 4 bullets left in your clip. You know that once the door is opened you will have to unload your magazine into whatever is behind it.


M. Sinergy-

Actually, the only shots that get fired at a closed door would be two from a shotgun loaded with'breaching' rounds at the hinges, or two quick bursts from the M-60 to the same effect. Then we enter the room while laying down suppresive fire. Once in the room, Tactical reload (which just means doing it now instead of when you are out of bullets while keeping the weapon ready with one in the pipe) while scanning for threats.

I stated it poorly, but it was USMC doctrine for assulting though a built up area at the time that I was in. I actually rarely have cause to enter a room in such a manner these days<g>.

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 7/31/2004 9:05:51 AM   
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I stated it poorly, but it was USMC doctrine for assulting though a built up area at the time that I was in. I actually rarely have cause to enter a room in such a manner these days<g>.


Thank you for the clarification, Lawrence.

I took a class on urban combat theory one weekend that was set up by the self-defense people I work with. Fascinating class, although I choose to not own a gun but the theory is kinda neat.

Enjoy your day,

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/3/2004 7:10:52 PM   
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Just thought some might like to know exactly what chivalry is. I, myself, love a chivalrous man.




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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/3/2004 7:20:47 PM   
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I took a class on urban combat theory one weekend that was set up by the self-defense people I work with. Fascinating class, although I choose to not own a gun but the theory is kinda neat.


Then you might enjoy this:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

USMC Rules For Gunfighting

1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.
5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movements are preferred.)
6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.
10. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.
11. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
12. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
13. Have a plan.
14. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
15. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
16. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
17. Don't drop your guard.
18. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.
19. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).
20. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
21. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot up you will get.
22. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
23. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4."

Navy Rules for Gunfighting

1. Go to Sea
2. Send the Marines
3. Drink coffee

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It was around long before me, and the first copy I saw was a many times faxed and photocopied verision, on yellowed thermal paper at the Range at Quantico when my uncle was stationed there, sometime in the seventies. I later saw a cleaner copy on the urban course at Camp Legune. Most of it, despite a toungue in cheek air, is actually the official doctrine.

Stay warm,
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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/3/2004 9:26:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		The rule of thumb I was given on combat handgunning is to only stop shooting and check and see if the target is dead while reloading.

Puts my teeth on edge when I hear police being criticised for shooting somebody 6 or 7 times. It is not police brutality, it is what distinguishes between a dead person and a live person in a gunfight.

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/3/2004 9:48:29 PM   
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22. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.


I thought I was the only one who did this.

Having never served in the military (I was drummed out of the Navy's AvROC on my second physical because I am slightly colorblind) is one of the things in life I most regret.

Not sure if now is the right time in my life to join up, but it is something I am starting to think about. Damn fool...do they take old damn fools like myself?

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/3/2004 10:55:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

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ORIGINAL: topcat
22. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.


Not sure if now is the right time in my life to join up, but it is something I am starting to think about. Damn fool...do they take old damn fools like myself?

Yours,
Taggard


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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/4/2004 12:01:14 AM   
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Puts my teeth on edge when I hear police being criticised for shooting somebody 6 or 7 times. It is not police brutality, it is what distinguishes between a dead person and a live person in a gunfight.


M. Sinergy-

I'd disagree actually. I served in Beirut, in Granada, in Colombia (drug interdictions 'destroying the infastructure'), and Norway (enforcing a UN fisheries treaty on behalf of the Soviet Union), -all situations where we recieved hostile fire.

If one of my troops had unloaded more than four or five rounds on a well covered target ( I am thinking of Dialol<sp?> in NYC)(four cops sending more than fifty rounds downrange on one target)(whose 'gun' was a wallet), I'd have wriiten them up personally, if I didn't just shoot thier sorry ass on the spot.

While surpressive fire has is important, burning ammo leaves you in a position of reloading just while his buddy comes around the corner blazing away. Ammo is cheap- but conserving it is wise.

When Motorcycling we lean that (in regard to dogs or kids) 'when there's one, there's two- when there's two, there's three'. Thinking in a tatical situation should follow the same criteria.

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/4/2004 12:14:45 AM   
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24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4."


Navy Rules for Gunfighting

1. Go to Sea
2. Send the Marines
3. Drink coffee


just a minute there leatherneck - how would you like to be on the receiving end of a barrage from the 16" guns on a battleship??(breaking rule #24 - 16inch does not start with a 4) - you know, the ones that can hurl a shell weighing as much as a volkswagon beetle 25+ miles to within a one foot ring of accuracy? and when they land, can break through 5 feet of rebar reinforced concrete and craze the next 5 feet to boot?

just had to give the squid side of the story

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/4/2004 12:15:50 AM   
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M. Taggard-

I rarely can be found sitting where I can't see both the door and the room, and will do a 'threat assesment/escape and evasion plan' in the back of my snake brain before the cocktails arrive (generally something along the lines of "kick Suz HARD in the thigh, when she screams/swings shove Bailey under the table, step up onto the table using the empty seat to the right as a step, grab the candle on on my table, kick the one one the next able towards David and throw mine at the lampost, use Gems shoulder to jump past the railing onto the parked car, drop/roll/slide off the far side of the car, circle round and throw the trash bag as a distraction while I figure out what to do next...). It's half from the military, and half from coming from a family that thought that challenging a kid (read as whacking them at random) built character (and, as I think of it, the latter had alot to do with survivng the former [Thanks Dad?]).

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Not sure if now is the right time in my life to join up, but it is something I am starting to think about. Damn fool...do they take old damn fools like myself?


Got two words. NO. and NO. The military is a farm that seeds young men, and reaps gardens of stone. There are plenty of way that you can better spend six years of your life. I buried enough young men to last for anyone's lifetime. Please, If I can only tell you one thing that sticks. NO.

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/4/2004 12:28:04 AM   
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- how would you like to be on the receiving end of a barrage from the 16" guns on a battleship??(breaking rule #24 - 16inch does not start with a 4) - you know, the ones that can hurl a shell weighing as much as a volkswagon beetle 25+ miles to within a one foot ring of accuracy? and when they land, can break through 5 feet of rebar reinforced concrete and craze the next 5 feet to boot?


M. Squidley-

Iwas on the incomeing end of an artillery barrage- 105 howitzers, manned by the Hezbolla. Took two of my boys while we ran in circle looking for cover in a terrain that offered nothing better than rocks the size of your fist (other than the trucks, which were targets). it was two minutes that changed my life more than Zazen, Love, broken hearts or wrecking motorcycles. I will never agian be able to think that the next breath i draw will be anything but random luck. In a firefight, you know to move, fire, think, and tthat doing these things might save you. With incoming arty, you learn that NOTHING you do will make any differance at all- that the universe is random, and your survival is just as random.

We wound up in a big circle, looking at each other, waiting for the next round to land, wondering who it would take.

We did call the navy, and got Offshore Arty on the spot, followed by Carrier based A-10 warthogs (also Navy) to do the polishing.

I love the Navy- though despite what he's claimed, I NEVER asked our Corpman to marry me...

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/4/2004 6:28:56 AM   
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1. Never let them see your guns

2. Never let them see you

3. Never let them see your friends who have guns

4. Kill anyone who sees one of your friends who has a gun, as quietly as possible

5. Kill the folks who look like they might kill marines

6. Blow shit up that might kill marines

7. Blow shit up that might impede the landing of marines

8. Call in strikes on any shit that you haven't blown up already

9. Call the marines

I guess my perspective on the question is just a little different.

Take care of yourself

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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/4/2004 7:30:01 AM   
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Job Title: M1A1 Armor Crewman

Employer: US ARMY

Primary Responsibilities: Kill people and break shit


Btw...aren't Marines the guys who just rowed the boat?
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RE: Who is really dominant? - 8/4/2004 10:47:21 AM   
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Personally I miss those days when gentlemen existed and were chivalry existed. I thank men who let me enter an elevator first or hold a door. It makes me feel like a lady not just one of the boys. And i am s ub, but i am a woman/lady first and foremost. So i miss the good old days!


Hello,

In the old Bugs Bunny cartoon with the watch dog over the flock of sheep. If you view the sheep as submissives (work with me please, ITS AN ANALOGY!), the watch dog sitting on the hill overlooking them is the Dominant.

When I open a door for a woman, I am the watch dog caring for her. I get to view the field to care for her against any Wile E. Coyotes who may be stalking her.

I also get to watch her walk through the portal with grace and dignity as a lady.

So I dont consider opening doors for her, ordering her dinner, etc., to be even remotely submissive. To me it is not the action, but the mindset behind the action, which determines whether an act is Dominant or submissive.

Or I watched way too many cartoons as a kid.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy


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