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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/17/2008 9:43:03 AM

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No - I'm a firm believer of the principle, 'if you break it - you bought it'.

Most of the time, in fact with only one exception, all I ever 'broke' was their concept and fantasy that they were a slave in the first place. My goal is to always enhance. The majority of time initially is invested with enhancing their knowledge of themselves. They found out that their self applied label was usually fantasy based. I wanted them to know and have a clear understanding of the pragmatic. The 'play' or scene aspect of the definition, which I collectively call the physical, is the easiest and subject to the most compromise. The mental and emotional aspects were where it usually breaks down. However, I never 'broke' it. I only was the facilitator for them discovering that it was never there to be 'broken' in the first place. I took satisfaction in accomplishing that regardless of the usual outcome of them not being what I am seeking. It is still FUN going through the process of finding out.

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/17/2008 1:25:18 PM

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why some doms want to break a slave? they described to me that its like to recreate a person, the slave is totally broke down until she is like an empty shell. Then the dom can fill it with whatever they want so they can mold a true slave.

How come they can make a person an empty shell? have you ever done that? what exactly is the process like?

Think in terms of miltary boot camp. They do it all the time knock down the person to create a "team"

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/17/2008 1:56:50 PM

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Like some have stated...its not that hard to *break*...someone and I agree...to a point...in some areas...

I also believe some areas you can`t break someone in unless...they are willing to be broken..

There were areas in my life I needed to be *broken* in....and I kicked, fought and scratched...unfortunatly..by doing so I hindered my growth in areas I needed to grow UP...in...

But...there came a point I became willing...almost desperate, and I allowed people in close enough to me where they were able to start breaking....away...in different areas...

Brokeness is NOT a bad place to be....

I hope to remain that way in some areas of my life...daily...

My experience was and is...once one is in that *state* they become very *teachable* and the sky is the limit when the process of rebuilding takes place

It takes trust....deep trust , willingness...and...

Time...

Peace...

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/19/2008 9:54:08 AM

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In the past I had mentioned this a few times to Doms I had spoken to and in a few responses I would receive I would get ‘I am not looking for a robot’ ( and I am not wishing to be one was my response!) and in others the Men were thinking I wanted to be made into a brainless zombie, and I thought both were a bit warped.

This sort of idea of being broken, the above ideas I received, were ‘not’ what I was referring to…it is what this particular thread, or the posts to it in which I was speaking of…the molding of clay, building of something that the Dom/Master wants, needs and appreciates.

This to me is how I seeing being broken.

I write, I read, I do all sorts of things…if someone were to break me to the point in which some refer to, then all I can think of is micro- management and I can do this to a point, to simply learn how things run at the start, but after that set me free and you only need to make certain I am following through….

A Master said to me one time...if I wanted a robot, I would go to Toys R Us and buy one. Consider how this would work if things did 'not' work out...gads, I do, one couldn't function in the real world again and that scares the ---- out of me!

After reading a few posts here, I also see a few points about breaking old habits and rebuilding a person to be better within them selves. this makes alot of sense, got a few of these...

At least here, if I say ‘I would prefer to be broken down and rebuilt’ I truly believe there would be many I wouldn’t have to explain it too...thankfully.

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/19/2008 1:16:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: yuyu777

why some doms want to break a slave? they described to me that its like to recreate a person, the slave is totally broke down until she is like an empty shell. Then the dom can fill it with whatever they want so they can mold a true slave.

How come they can make a person an empty shell? have you ever done that? what exactly is the process like?

Well, I guess I have two possible meanings for the phrase "break" a slave.

break: as in, break the toys
This would be a Bad(tm) thing typically done by an inexperienced dom or sub that got in over their head. I've never done this. I pray I never do. And I can only assume it would be crushing to me if I did.

break: as in, break of old/bad habits
Done in a training sense, sometimes you have to break down old role associations before new ones can be introduced. Assuming that this is done very carefully, then it's a good thing. Obviously, there's a lot that can go wrong when a ton of armchair psychologists (us doms) start doing soul surgery on subs. In in the process of this right now with my slave and it's very scary although also highly rewarding. (there, for bonus points in the vulnerability threads, I also exposed how undomly I am because I'm vulnerable).

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/19/2008 3:45:09 PM

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/20/2008 10:36:58 AM

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Breaking a person and breaking a person's bad habit are entirely separate things, and I don't think they should be discussed under the same thread. The OP asked about breaking a slave. Someone compared it to the conditioning used in the armed forces in boot camp, and I think that is a fair analogy.

To break a person is to take away their self-perceptions to the point that they are a blank slate to be recreated in the Dom's image of the perfect slave. It seems to me this is not a healthy process under the best of circumstances. What skills does the average Dom have, what training have they undergone to be able to break a person in a healthy way? If the answer is none, they have no business attempting to do this to another human being.

Secondly, I would wonder what the motive of the Dominant is in the first place. Is it their wish to break someone for that slave's benefit, or are they someone who just gets off mind f#cking someone just to destroy their individuality and be a mindless object. The latter is a sick power play. The former can only be accomplished by someone who has the expertise to do it in a way that makes the slave a healthier person. Even with the best of intentions, this is a dangerous game done by someone without the proper training.

Personally, I have never broken a slave, nor would I ever consider doing so. I think there are much healthier ways to change a slave's habits to mirror my desires.

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/21/2008 4:59:46 PM

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Face it...all branches of the miltary do just that to mold the recruits to their needs. Its a minor thing for most...but for a lot of them its the first time they've ever understood the need for displine in their lives..and the majority lean to enbrace the "new" person they become.Sure you might not like the process, but its the end results that truly count here.

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/21/2008 5:07:21 PM

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The notion that the military 'breaks' people in the OP sense, so that they are empty shells, afraid to think for themselves, unable to function without constant control from another, and so forth is Hollywood fodder.

It breaks them in to the military's way of doing things, it may break old habits, and in a contest between the individual and boot camp, it isn't going to be boot camp that breaks, but those aren't apparently what the OP was referencing as breaking a slave.

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/22/2008 3:58:42 PM

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That's what the U.S. Marine Corps does in boot camp. First they strip recruits of every trace of their individual character. They get the same haircut, all jewelry is banned, they wear the same uniform and do all the same things.

Any expression or sign of individuality is crushed in favor of group-think. They are punished harshly if they don't follow the rules exactly.

Then after several weeks when the individuals have been "broken", stripped down and vulnerable, the corps trains them in their mold. In this way they can easily turn a nice young man with good morals into a homicidal killer - a marine.

It's a very effective process.

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/24/2008 5:16:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

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ORIGINAL: yuyu777

why some doms want to break a slave? they described to me that its like to recreate a person, the slave is totally broke down until she is like an empty shell. Then the dom can fill it with whatever they want so they can mold a true slave.

How come they can make a person an empty shell? have you ever done that? what exactly is the process like?

Obviously, there's a lot that can go wrong when a ton of armchair psychologists (us doms) start doing soul surgery on subs.

With some amount of training, and so called professional expertise on which to rely, I think when folks start placing their trust in someone just because of the degree on the wall, they have lost what it is they are in that office to do. That degree represents many opposing views of man's nature, behavior, and how to manage it. It does not imply wisdom or interpersonal skills with regard to the person who has acheived it. Sometimes, a friend we trust is better than the professional who knows best.

To the OP, this is not a process to be entered into lightly, as many have advised you. Learn as much as you can and then learn some more. Take time researching and decide how to proceed with specific issues before you begin to address them. Despite the varying human qualifications of those that may practice and develop the theories of mental health, I still believe understanding these principles and dynamics and methods still can benefit much. You, armed with this knowledge and the desire to care for the well being and growth of your prized possession, is extremely powerful. You and a good therapist together may be even better, depending on the issue. The mind and the spirit of a person is not to be handled with wrecklessness. Proceed with caution.

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/24/2008 9:33:03 PM

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Some doms also have a "break and remold" fetish thing going as well. The reality is that breaking someone down and bringing them up again is a huge time and energy intensive operation that few have the skill and ability to do well.

But breaking someone down and building them up is certainly possible, and in some cases beneficial.

When I first met my Master nearly a decade ago I was an emotional wreck with a two ton truck of baggage. I was comprised of many pieces, yet I was shattered. He slowly tore me down, made me an empty vessel. He polished, shined, molded, mended, and filled the many pieces. Carefully he wove me back together and filled me with a whole new idea of who I was and what I was capable of. He wove a tapestry... and here I stand today.

I am a confident, strong, internally beautiful, willing, open, loving, adoring slave. I believe in myself and him. He knew what he was doing and I recognize the time, patience, committment, and investment he made in me.

Yes, it can be done. I have experienced this.

He did not make a new me... he improved upon who I already was and enabled me to see how beautiful and worthy I am.

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RE: what is it like to break a slave? have you ever don... - 7/24/2008 10:40:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterSteve57

That's what the U.S. Marine Corps does in boot camp. First they strip recruits of every trace of their individual character. They get the same haircut, all jewelry is banned, they wear the same uniform and do all the same things.

Any expression or sign of individuality is crushed in favor of group-think. They are punished harshly if they don't follow the rules exactly.

Then after several weeks when the individuals have been "broken", stripped down and vulnerable, the corps trains them in their mold. In this way they can easily turn a nice young man with good morals into a homicidal killer - a marine.

It's a very effective process.

But what happens if the dude is already an anal retentive homicidal killer wannabe? Send him to rotc to get a head start?

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