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Termyn8or -> RE: White house bastages (7/17/2008 8:03:48 AM)
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I knew DA and I were agreeing way too much lately.
The President may be above the law in this country, but that doesn't mean everywhere. If that were true, covert operations would not be necessary would they ?
But then even in this country, there is an impeachment process. Even though it has only been used about three times, it does exist, and that would imply that the President is not above the law. Can't have it both ways.
And for all the Gordon Liddy types, and don't get me wrong I like Liddy, but what if your beloved Furher, err, Presidente, ordered you to kill yourself ? If the $64 question is too much, let's try the $32 question. You are ordered to kill someone, you find out the mark is a good friend, or better yet a family member. What then ?
I will even stipulate that if that friend or family member is involved in covert ops the rules are different and will specify that they are not "players". In this hypothetical instance, they are innocent, but have have seen something they shouldn't have seen. Let's say totally by accident. And just to make it interesting, let's say that it is your fault.
What I am saying I guess is that there are different rules for different situations. Let's make this as bad as possible to see just how much Liddy there is in people. I don't even know if Liddy would do this. You must kill your Wife and kids because YOU left something out on the kitchen table one day and they saw it, read it, whatever.
Unquestioning obedience has already been hashed out in Nuremburg.
If the President truly is above the law, it is a simple matter. Kill political opponents, and a few supreme court justices and restack the court so that the Presidential term limits are declared unconstitutional. Then, do whatever it takes to get reelected ad infinitum. Should be doable in four years if one gets started right away. Hell they wouldn't have a problem with the Castro family at all, they would probably be taking lessons from them.
So if the doctrine of the Commander In Chief being above the law holds true, that would have to hold true for leaders of other countries would it not ? History has proven that they are not.
And then to say that we are somehow different, just because this is the US, I would like to know what qualifies. As nations go we are a child, many were here before us, and it is starting to look like many will remain after we are gone. So it must boil down to one thing - Might makes right.
So what is next ? We send in Hans Blix to do inspections in Russia and China for WMD ? Even little Israel ? We don't even to that in Iran or North Korea. They won't put up with it. And if North Korea will tell us to go fuck off, what do you think is going to happen when Russia gets sick of our shit ?
If might does indeed make right, we better make damn sure we got the most of it if we want to maintain this bully attitude.
Seems I remember a story, happened almost 2,000 years ago. Some people who were above the law ordered the execution of a prophet and scholar for no other reason than some of his beliefs or assertations. He had never hurt anyone. Anyone remember his name ? (hint, almost everyone remembers his name). They obviously did not kill his ideas.
So might makes right. Well everyone gets old. I backed down from a fight not too long ago, took a look at the guy and just said no. Twenty years ago he would be embedded in 5/8" inch drywall a foot deep, and be wearing alot of blood.
So when are we going to grow up as a nation, and stop playing these games ? If you think Russia started the cold war, you are wrong. Every fucking time I look into history and find where we were fucked with, when I look back a bit further I find out why. And I don't like what I see.
T
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