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Wolf1020 -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/27/2005 8:38:40 PM)
Saddam should be raped by a thousnd camels thrown into a room infested with fleas and then with into a large fish tank with spiders who's venom works by slowly disolving flesh. All while being force fed and watered so he can't starve himself to death.

mnottertail -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/27/2005 8:42:33 PM)
So assume he enjoys it, the next move would be? It is unclear why this discussion comes to a head, here.... Ron

stef -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/27/2005 8:42:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet Canda, France, or where ever. I would call Bull Shit on these countries that would refuse to hand over a cold blooded murderer if I couldn't give him the death penatly. I'd just tell the country "Oh so you want to keep a kill eh? Go right ahead and risk the lives of your countries citizens in such a selfish action." And after you told them that they would either roll their eyes or laugh in your face. It's not as though they turn the people loose. They're still held in custody, just not turned over to the US. Just how would the lives of their citizens be at risk in this situation? ~stef

mnottertail -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/27/2005 8:49:43 PM)
Khofi kicks ass by reason of a degree from Macalaster college in Minnesota, that's why.......... stef, grow up....... 2006 is gonna suck, just like 2005 and 2004, but you and me will get thru it. someday......... Glaedige Jule; stef, Ron

Wolf1020 -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/27/2005 9:04:04 PM)
quote: It's not as though they turn the people loose. They're still held in custody Not always. Was a few years ago I watched a report on a man living in France. He was out on bail durring his trial and managed to get into Canada and from there to France. He was found guilty and given he fled was sentenced without him present to death. France refuses to deport him back to the US and he actually lives there a free man.

stef -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/27/2005 9:19:34 PM)
Are you referring to Ira Einhorn? ~stef

Wolf1020 -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/27/2005 9:31:59 PM)
I'm not sure I forget his name it was awhile ago and I'm horrible with names as it is. Let alone names that I heard only a few times a long time ago lol. Either way if someone is convicted of a crime while I wouldn't go to war with them over it I wouldn't mistake them as our friends. There are difference's and that is fine. But when you harbor another nations criminals thats a different matter.

FangsNfeet -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/28/2005 7:45:05 AM)
quote: It's not as though they turn the people loose. They're still held in custody, just not turned over to the US. Just how would the lives of their citizens be at risk in this situation? Prisoners can escape. Other than that, it would be the citizens tax dollars that would be feeding and sheltering the murderer. If they really want to take care of someone at there own expense just to keep him from faceing the death penalty, then they can keep him. It's good riddens to bad rubish. Court cost, appeals, the time in jail, and the expense of exicuting the killer would all be avoided just because another country wants to pick up the food and shelter tab.

pantera -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/28/2005 8:03:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali i think he is more valuable alive than dead with the work he is doing now for children and to stop gang violence, heck he has even been nominated for the nobel peace prize multiple times while sitting on death row. Jail is not a place for rehabilitation, it is a place for punishment. Let's not lose sight of the crime he commited (which was not mentioned btw) and the life (ves) he took. And about the nobel peace prize.... well.... it was given to yasser araffat and rigoberta menchú ... so... I don't think that helps the guy a whole lot... I would take it off my resume if I were him-

pantera -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/28/2005 8:10:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger quote: 1. Free all non-violent drug related offerders and make all drugs legal I always knew that one day we'd both agree on something. HAR! Defending and keeping low-level drug offenders tied up in the penal-system is miscarriage of justice. Both the prison lobby and lawyers guild oughta be brought up on a RICCO statute for conspiring to defraud the tax payers of this great land. - The Ranger and I always knew we would agree on something- the waste of tax dollars should be regarded as a very serious crime, with harsh sentences (maybe not the death penalty) but loooooooooooong jail time-

Mercnbeth -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/28/2005 10:37:00 AM)
quote: Was a few years ago I watched a report on a man living in France. He was out on bail during his trial and managed to get into Canada and from there to France. He was found guilty and given he fled was sentenced without him present to death. France refuses to deport him back to the US and he actually lives there a free man. Wolf, That sound like Ira Einhorn, aka "The Unicorn Killer". I was working between NYC and Philly during the period that they were trying to extradite him from France. As of 1999, although the French court did grant the request for extradition, the Prime Minister, Lionel Jospin needed to sign off on the ruling. Finally in 2001 he was forced to return to the US. His last ditch effort to stay in France was to slit his own throat. Einhorn was put on trial in 1993 and found guilty in absentia. In 1999 he lost a Civil Case, gotta LOVE the "dollar justice" of the tort, resulting in a $907 Million judgment. Until 2001, he was living comfortably in France with his girlfriend who helped him leave the country in 1979. Finally in December 2002 he was found guilty of the first degree murder of Helen 'Holly' Maddux. So he got to live his formative active adult life in France. Now in his late 60's the good people of Pennsylvania are making sure he's comfortable and well taken care of for the remainder of his life. He'll have better health care than most US citizens who haven't committed murder, and no worries about taxes, his now valued at $1 Billion judgment, the increasing cost of housing, food. Justice is served? Reference: http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/einhorn/index_1.html http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/einhorn/updates_6.html http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/einhorn/updates_8.html http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/08/14/einhorn/

RiotGirl -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/28/2005 3:13:53 PM)
never agreed with the death penalty

candystripper -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/29/2005 8:36:10 AM)
The differences between the acquittal of OJ and the conviction of Peterson, IMO, are as follows: 1. Superior police conduct/investigation...including chain of custody. 2. Superior talent in the Assistant DA prosecuting the case. 3. Outrage at the death of a near-term fetus. 4. The ability to play the race card" and Furman's "n' word admissions -- after perjurying himself on direct examination. 5. St; even weird st, happens. Just look at the acquittal in the Bonnie Lee Blackley case. candystripper

stef -> RE: The Death Penalty in the US (11/30/2005 4:50:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet Prisoners can escape. Yes they can. Can you tell me when the last such prisoner escaped? I think it was the 11th of never. quote: Other than that, it would be the citizens tax dollars that would be feeding and sheltering the murderer. If they really want to take care of someone at there own expense just to keep him from faceing the death penalty, then they can keep him. It's good riddens to bad rubish. Court cost, appeals, the time in jail, and the expense of exicuting the killer would all be avoided just because another country wants to pick up the food and shelter tab. How does this apply to risk? ~stef

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