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RE: What is a princess - 7/17/2008 6:48:14 PM   
WinsomeDefiance


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Dear OP,
I know you are just asking for insight into how others view what a princess is, but if it hasn't been said - it only really matters how YOU and your Master perceive a princess to be. 

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RE: What is a princess - 7/17/2008 6:52:39 PM   
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isn't real either. Life sucks,don't it?

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RE: What is a princess - 7/17/2008 6:56:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aww well, MisterMeanieRatBazturdSonsabiatchboogerheadpoopfaceruinmyworldandpissinmywheatiesSir, is real and alive and well at least!  Gotta have SOMETHING to hang on to ya know.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/17/2008 6:56:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a santa. I play the santa at my local bondage club. I can prove there is a santa and I can prove he has helpful little elves.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/17/2008 7:03:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Aww well, MisterMeanieRatBazturdSonsabiatchboogerheadpoopfaceruinmyworldandpissinmywheatiesSir, is real and alive and well at least!  Gotta have SOMETHING to hang on to ya know.


YW....(bows)

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RE: What is a princess - 7/17/2008 7:04:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ALLorNuten

There is a santa. I play the santa at my local bondage club. I can prove there is a santa and I can prove he has helpful little elves.


(grins at Allornuten and refrains from blowing Leatherist, an undladylike raspberry)

Sorry OP, for the unintended hijack of your thread .  Though, keeping things on topic, some might say my silly behavior is indicative of a princesslike behavior.  Of course they'd be wrong!  But they might say it.


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RE: What is a princess - 7/17/2008 7:38:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you Defiance and everyone for there input. Leatherist if I offended you in any way I apoligize. And just for the record I am not a fairy tale. My master has a very real life woman......

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RE: What is a princess - 7/17/2008 7:41:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm just trying to make the point of why so many doms use the term "princess" derisively.

There is a difference between being noble-and just being spoiled.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/17/2008 8:12:30 PM   
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  1. Princess = Female member of a royal family either direct or closely related (This is a generalization which may alter from country to country)..
  2. Princess = Female whose ego dictates that she be trearted as Royalty with out the required blood links to genuine Royalty

Note: Few genuine Princesesses actually act in the spoilt brat mode and demand to be treated as Royalty. Most have supurb training in correst behaviour in public although there are a few notable exceptions who are just willfull spoilt brats. Just my observations based on my personal circle of friends and acqusaintences.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 1:43:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		The role is whatever their owner/dom/master/whatever decides it is. I know of at least one couple where the female is the owned party and is refered to as "princess". She obeys but is also indulged, beaten and pampered.

It works for them, which is what matters in the end.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 2:34:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't make the princess = spoiled comparison.

My name means princess, and it's not because I'm spoiled or want to be spoiled. I'm used to living poorly. A gift is nice, but I'm not *demanding* gifts, or some specific treatment. I consider myself someone's princess if they love and care about me, and let me love them back.

I hope I can sometimes have the dignity and carry myself as the royalty (non-spoiled version) princess. I know I can pull off 100$ vocabulary.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 4:20:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that it is mere words ....... with that said, when the word has been used on me i have been told its' meaning is that i am well loved, and highly cherished.
Although i do have the one vice of getting my nails done, i would not say my in home five dollar hair color (hey ...... a princess can have gray too!), nor my twice weekly pedicure i give myself is b/c i view myself as a princess. i like to look MY best, and gray hair with ashy feet is not so becoming on me!
i have been known to be a bit spoiled ...... OK actually i was simply freaking out when i threw a bucket of chicken out of a moving vehicle, as we crept down the PA turnpike during the wee hours of a January eve/morning while navigating a white out snow storm! Actually i was getting seriously claustrophobic, i was not demanding my nails should be a blush pink!
When my Sir wished to see me done up to the nines, i respectfully requested a two hour warning (it was never given tho!). Takes time to buff/shine and straighten a girls hair! After such work had been invested, i tried to not even breath hard, as my hair is naturally errr, psycho and it can evolve from straight to the "Girl with a Curl" in a matter of minutes!
IMHO "princess" is a mere label, like many others, that most women wear at some point and on some level.
b.~

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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 4:57:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thinking about Iron Bear's words...

I knew that of a princess, their training in impeccable social behavior, but for me, that major aspect has been lost.  Perhaps it comes from living in a country without proper royalty, where the closest thing we have to a princess is Paris Hilton.  (An honourary family of royalty, for in terms of wealth...) 

This is the American Princess (more frequently seen as the Jewish-American Princess, JAP).

It's sad to me that my first impression of a princess is Paris ahead of the late Lady D.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 6:46:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm often slightly amused by some of the replies to these threads on so-called 'princesses'.  There is almost always this indefinable tone of derision in some posts whenever this comes up that reads periously close to envy... sometimes even hatred.  I don't mention it specifically at all, but rather it's a general statement - seems to happen whenever the topic comes up.

Anyway, I think it's a little funny.  People are multifaceted and rarely one-dimensional.  Owning a sportscar (even a really, really nice one), getting pedicures, or even (gasp!!) having help 'round the house doesn't equate to being a whiney, spoiled, shallow narcissist.  Are some out there?  Sure.  But it's general lack of understanding if one sees surface trappings as indicative of everything underneath...   The characterization is actually as laughable as the one about women who grounge around the house and drive down yonder Walmart on Friday afternoons in a '79 beater Ford truck...  Usually, there's more than meets the eye. 

Doms who own 'princesses' may indeed have entirely different definitions of service.  Ones perhaps not entirely understood or comprehended by those who can't own one themselves.

Just observations.  These forums are fascinating at times.

Lastly, I thought this was beautiful.  Mature, and very beautiful:

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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

A princess is just as it sounds: A girl of good fortune, accustomed to a lifestyle.  I'm sure there are dominants who like the sophistication and occasional disobedience of princesses.  I would assume most of these "dominants" realize that they are spending a great deal of time and effort serving said princess. 

The other day My Pet and I were going to dinner.  We couldn't decide where to go.  It made clear that the responsibilities of being dominant involve serving, being a caretaker, sacrificing for the submissive. 

Whatever you want to call people, master, dominant, top, keeper, its just a title.  In many ways, when My Pet became mine she took on a prince:  A man who she tries hard to please at every whim, who she follows and stays with because of his demeanor, education, virtues, etc.  I'd say wealth, but I'm a recent graduate =P.

Reverse the genders and you get reversed titles.  If she were male and I were female (Fem-Dom/Male-Sub) then "he" would be looking for a "princess."

Edit to add:

There are times when I treat mine like a princess (probably outweighed by times I treat her like a sex doll).  I'll take her to nice dinners, and bubble bathes, and brushing her hair... I'll train her, cuddle her, read children's stories to her, explore boring bookstores with her (for her), etc...  Do I consider myself serving her when I do these things?  Yes, but that's not a problem.  Would I consider myself any less dominant for serving?  Of course not - they're mutually exclusive.  I received an e-mail from a male submissive who wished to be an online houseboy .  I told him I felt as if I would be doing the work of the relationship.  In that respect, being a dominant is a lot of work, arguably more than the other side - arguably. 




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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 7:15:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		The question was asked, Why would a Dom want a princess?  Of course, it depends on the definition of the term used in the dynamic.

Let's assume that a certain "princess" is somewhat pampered, a little spoiled, sometimes pouty or demanding.  That might feed directly into a Dom's need to have a girl to discipline.  He may be very proud of her looks and want her always looking her absolute best for him.  He might enjoy bringing her treats like flowers or jewelry.  He may enjoy having someone to spoil and be bored by someone who always acts perfectly.  (I have an old friend who is a Dom who was exactly like that; perfection bored him and he was thrilled to hear that I know undergo maintenance spankings and wants to add those to his repertoire.  I was never exciting enough for him because I tried too hard to do every assignment just right.)

If someone speaks derogatorily of princesses, they are probably looking for someone who doesn't expect any pampering.  In my relationship, if I am pampered it always comes as a surprise.  There are times when I am given something - whether material or physical - that is simply for my pleasure, but I am never to automatically expect it.  My favorite gift comes through words, and it is like catnip for me to be told that I am adored or to be called a good gurl.  A "princess" might need a nice night out or a piece of jewelry to get the same high.


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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 7:27:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		So am I the only one that hears derision when someone says, "she's such a princess"... and an entirely different sort of relationship when someone says, "she's my princess", or "I'm daddy's princess"???

I was zeroing in on the phrase used "a princess", and perhaps putting too much stock in that one little letter 'a'.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 7:32:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see a princess in a more positive light. Someone you can dress up and spoil in a good way. Someone who is consientious of her looks and goes out of her way to look good for you. Someone who can be arm candy and will turn heads when you enter a room or event. Someone who although they might be snooty and haughty to others, is a total and wanton submissive slut to you. There is nothing wrong with wanting to own a princess.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 7:34:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chamberqueen

Let's assume that a certain "princess" is somewhat pampered, a little spoiled, sometimes pouty or demanding.  That might feed directly into a Dom's need to have a girl to discipline.  He may be very proud of her looks and want her always looking her absolute best for him.  He might enjoy bringing her treats like flowers or jewelry.  He may enjoy having someone to spoil and be bored by someone who always acts perfectly. 

that's part of my relationship with Daddy - a pampered ...sometimes spoiled with little trinkets princess. it's fun getting all dolled up and pretty for him. makes Him feel special that i enjoy doing this.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 7:48:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper
I'm sure there are dominants who like the sophistication and occasional disobedience of princesses.
You can get sophistication and someone who is socially accomplished without having a princess. It's possible that your definition of sophistication is different from mine, but I don't find most princesses sophisticated. I find them status driven.

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RE: What is a princess - 7/18/2008 8:00:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oside,

Again I'm reminded of the Royal Princess vs. the American Princess.  Perhaps once we have status we are no longer status driven.  That would account for why the American Princess is status driven, while many young girls in families of royalty do not show it.  It could also be that a princess doesn't act like a "princess".  A whole level of metaphysics.

Cantilena,

Thank you for your kind words. =)

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