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A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 6:22:22 AM   
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McCain Surrogate Fiorina Meets With Clinton Supporters
July 16, 2008, 6:04 pm

The McCain campaign dispatched its top female surrogate Tuesday to meet with about 25 disaffected supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton in Westchester, N.Y.

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Carly Fiorina, the former chief executive of Hewlett-Packard Co. and a top adviser to Republican Sen. John McCain, met with the former Clinton backers at a private home for more than an hour and a half. Fiorina said in an interview that over glasses of iced tea and finger food, she fielded questions from Democratic women she described as “intensely uncomfortable with the notion of a President Obama.’’

The Westchester meeting came at the behest of former Clinton supporters, some of whom have said – adamantly – that they won’t support Obama. Polls show Obama winning the majority of support from women voters while about a quarter of ex-Clinton supporters are leaning toward McCain. The meeting wasn’t stocked with typical voters, however. These were prominent activists and fund-raisers, including several known as “Hillraisers,’’ who raised more than $100,000 for Clinton during the primary season. “I didn’t ask how many of them were Hillraisers but certainly a number of them were,’’ Fiorina said.

Nor, Fiorina said, did she ask the women whether Clinton knew they had arranged the meeting with her. Clinton has endorsed Obama and urged her supporters to help defeat McCain.

Amy Siskind, a former Wall Street executive who helped organize the meeting, declined to identify most the attendees, citing their desire for privacy. She said that some of the recently formed pro-Hillary organizations that have been critical of Sen. Obama–such as Together4Us.com, which officially hosted the event, and JustSayNoDeal.com had representatives there. Together4Us.com lists its founders as Jill Iscol, Lady Lynn de Rothschild, Gretchen Glasscock, “and 50 more to be added very soon.”

Fiorina and participants said the town-hall style meeting covered a variety of issues, from health care to foreign policy to workplace rights.

Interesting article that gives loads of discussion points.

The thought that crossed my mind is that of a McCain/Hillary ticket.

Personally, I think they are pretty close on a lot of the issues, and would be hard to beat.

Such a ticket could be "sold" as a great show of "bi-partisanship", but the thought that occurs to me is that it would just prove that the current top levels of both parties are pretty indistinguishable.

Another issue is that I still think everyone is counting Hillary out a little too early.  While I don't expect it, I would not be surprised at a Hillary putsch during the Democratic Convention, either.

Ahh, to be living in interesting political times ...

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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 6:40:30 AM   
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Democratic women she described as “intensely uncomfortable with the notion of a President Obama.’’



       Gee.  I wonder what it might be about Barry they are so intensely uncomfortable with? 


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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 6:42:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		It would never fly, Clinton is far too polarizing for the already shaky conservative support of McCain.

I would guess that there may actually be a little behind the scenes work, to drum up support for McCain amongst Hillary's supporters.  This would benefit both of them.  The last thing Hillary wants is for Obama to win in Nov, if he loses that puts her as the first in line for 2012 and with a strong trump card (guilt) to play on the folks that jumped ship this time around.

Besides I think McCain is smart enough to realize that if he put her on the ticket, that he would be giving her credentials to actually take over in 2012, if he even lived long enough to see that election cycle. People that stand in the Clinton's way have a nasty habit of dying or going to prison...

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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 6:46:54 AM   
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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 7:24:10 AM   
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I would guess that there may actually be a little behind the scenes work, to drum up support for McCain amongst Hillary's supporters.  This would benefit both of them.  The last thing Hillary wants is for Obama to win in Nov, if he loses that puts her as the first in line for 2012 and with a strong trump card (guilt) to play on the folks that jumped ship this time around.

If HRC's supporters cause McCain to win she's permanently finished in the Democratic party and she knows it. That her supporters are so bitter as to even meet with McCain's poster girl is pretyy indicative of the damage her negative campaigning did to the party and that won't be forgotten if Obama loses.

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People that stand in the Clinton's way have a nasty habit of dying or going to prison...

http://snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 7:42:27 AM   
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If HRC's supporters cause McCain to win she's permanently finished in the Democratic party and she knows it. That her supporters are so bitter as to even meet with McCain's poster girl is pretyy indicative of the damage her negative campaigning did to the party and that won't be forgotten if Obama loses.



I don't think it would ruin her chances...  I think her supporters have (had) a valid point about some of the wins that put Obama in the lead.  Take Texas for example, she won the actual vote, but because of the caucases(which are attended by a much smaller number than the actual poll vote) in the evening he virtually broke even.  It was the caucases in states where he stands no chance of carrying the state in a general election that helped him secure the nomination.  She would also be able to point out where Obama has strayed (assuming that he continues his current trend) from the platform he ran on during the primaries.

I know it is just speculation either way, but I think it makes alot more sense than her being put on the Republican ticket.



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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 8:01:12 AM   
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The thought that crossed my mind is that of a McCain/Hillary ticket.


McCain/Clinton 2008 "What would you like to hear today?"

McCain/Clinton 2008 "Why vote for the lessor evil?"

McCain/Clinton 2008 "More of the same, with twice the pain!"

McCain/Clinton 2008 "Our spouses are not allowed in the same room together."

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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 9:27:31 AM   
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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 10:40:03 AM   
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I disagree.  I think the best thing for Clinton is Obama wins and then sucks as president.

If he loses, no matter the reason they will blame it on Clinton supporters who would not vote for Obama.
Then in 2012, there is no way in hell Obama supporters will support her.

That's my read on it. 


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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 10:42:53 AM   
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Thadius

I disagree.  I think the best thing for Clinton is Obama wins and then sucks as president.

If he loses, no matter the reason they will blame it on Clinton supporters who would not vote for Obama.
Then in 2012, there is no way in hell Obama supporters will support her.

That's my read on it. 




I think folks missed something here -- Clinton can't run in 2012. The Democratic party runs its incumbent (Obama) for a 2nd term -- they don't get to put up another candidate. The next time Clinton could run would be 2016, and by that time, if Obama wins a 2nd term, he's not eligible anyway.

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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 10:58:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Firestorm hit the nail on the head... If Obama wins, it is a moot point as to whether he sucks or not, he will get the default nomination of the party by being the incumbant. Just look at the blind faith of the folks that thought he was an anti-war dove.  Which puts Hillary out until at least 2016.

She will play nice at the convention, and go through the motions, but I guarantee any dirt that the Clinton machine has on Obama is going to wind up in the hands of McCain and Republican PACs.  Hillary will play the entire thing off as being a stateswoman, in the forefront taking the high ground while unleashing the beasts of hell behind the scenes to make sure Obama has a hard time winning.

It is just my opinion, but based on the history we do know of what the Clintons are willing to do, I think it is a fairly good assumption.



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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 11:18:49 AM   
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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 11:26:14 AM   
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Firestorm hit the nail on the head... If Obama wins, it is a moot point as to whether he sucks or not, he will get the default nomination of the party by being the incumbant. Just look at the blind faith of the folks that thought he was an anti-war dove.  Which puts Hillary out until at least 2016.

She will play nice at the convention, and go through the motions, but I guarantee any dirt that the Clinton machine has on Obama is going to wind up in the hands of McCain and Republican PACs.  Hillary will play the entire thing off as being a stateswoman, in the forefront taking the high ground while unleashing the beasts of hell behind the scenes to make sure Obama has a hard time winning.

It is just my opinion, but based on the history we do know of what the Clintons are willing to do, I think it is a fairly good assumption.




Hey Thadius,

I agree she's a meglomanic and that this clouds her judgment.

But if she did, it would be the end of her political career. The right hates her, and support from the left would vanish.

In short, she'd essentially have to carry all women, and conservative women aren't exactly likely to do that.

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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 11:31:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just an interesting historical note:

The incumbent has not always been nominated.  Once, in 1856, the Democrats decided not to nominate Franklin Pierce, because he was such a bad president.  He repealed the Missouri Compromise, singlehandedly hastening the start of the Civil War (and, many historians believe, he is more responsible for the start of the Civil War). 

When his own party refused him the nomination,he announced "there's nothing left to do but get drunk," did so, and then ran over an elderly woman with his carriage.  He was the first  president with a DUI.

A truly terrible president.  In a non-coincidence, George W. Bush's mother's maiden name is Barbara Pierce.

Oh, and the idea of a McCain/Clinton ticket is so ludicrous that I'm just completely ignoring that part of the thread.



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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 12:09:45 PM   
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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 12:10:39 PM   
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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 1:19:13 PM   
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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 2:00:57 PM   
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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 4:14:17 PM   
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The last CBS poll I saw showed that 20% of her supports were going to vote for McCain. So I can see the argument made that it is Obama's duty to win those votes.

Political speculation is much safer and cheaper than Oil speculation....

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RE: A McCain/Clinton Ticket? - 7/18/2008 6:48:28 PM   
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