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samboct -> A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/18/2008 10:29:40 AM)

There's an interesting coincidence with a thread here (http://www.collarchat.com/m_2009042/tm.htm) discussing the correlation between submissive men and intelligence/education, and what I think is a scam I ran into a week ago on this board.  So, I guess one more piece of evidence that shows that there's a widespread opinion that submissive men are well educated shouldn't go amiss.

About the scam-

Last week I responded to a profile that I gave a 5050 chance of being some type of scam.  I get worried when profiles talk about compensating women for their time.  I learned my lesson about how an appeal to "nice guys" to prove themselves by whipping out their wallets is a scam first hand- I consider it a valuable life lesson.  But email is cheap, so I decided it was worth a quickie shot in case I was just being paranoid.

The profile mentioned that since she was only interested in intelligent, well educated men, that in order to proceed further, submissive men should take a quiz to prove themselves.  To me, this sounds like a bit of a challenge and I was intrigued, so curiousity got the better of me.  My initial communication was met with a simple response to move the conversation to Yahoo- also something of a flag for me.  I find the email feature of CM works fine, thank you very much.   The person at the other end also wrote that she resided in my hometown, a somewhat suspicious coincidence as well since it creates the impression that meeting face to face should be easy.  Note that for whatever reason, the distance feature on her profile didn't work and no hometown was specified.  So at this point I give it 9 out of 10 that it's some type of a scam, but after some miscommunication, I receive her "quiz"- reproduced here.  It's clearly coursework.

"I want you to answer the following five (5) questions in two well detailed paragraphs each. If you’re not sure about something, I want you to look it up online and make sure you understand before you answer. Note: make sure everything you write is your own words, even if you look up the meaning of something; I still want you to write your own words. Remember to answer these questions in your own opinion, your own ideas and your own thoughts.

1. Define and discuss the feminization of poverty.

2. Identify and discuss the risk factors for child abuse.

3. Identify and describe the types of long and short term extramarital relationships.

4. Discuss the ten personal factors associated with divorce.

5. List and discuss the nine steps on building a successful stepfamily."


At this point, my worries were somewhat assuaged- the questions seem reasonably pertinent for someone who claims to be looking for a live in slave.  So I dutifully answer the questions and await her response- which is now coming through on Yahoo.  I thought I'd done pretty well, assuming she wasn't looking for a doormat, but I was a bit surprised when I got this reply.  " Oh, I did not use it because it is a very serious assignment and you basically copied everything from sources like wikipedia which is not allowed. But thanks anyway...would you like to do another assignment instead?" 

My response.  " I'm a bit confused.  I took your quiz because I thought it would allow you to get a sense of who I am.  Had I known that you were planning on submitting what I wrote as your own work, I wouldn't have done it.

If I've misunderstood your intent, then please take another look at what I wrote.  While I certainly used Wikipedia as a source for the first question, there is certainly enough additional material to show you that I answered the question in an original fashion- as I did for the subsequent questions as well.

Regards,

Sam" 

Since my responses were my own although I certainly cited internet references, I knew her claims were spurious.  Her comment that my responses were of no use to her, along with her offer to come up with another "quiz" lead me to conclude that she wasn't interested in finding a companion, she was interested in coming up with answers for a course.  At the least, this is plagiarism, and what strikes me as more likely was that she was selling the answers for profit.  Hence, since my responses were more tailored to piquing her interest rather than in getting an "A" in the course, they weren't valuable to her.   (If indeed it is a she and not a he.)  Here';s her final response to me. "What you  wrote was garbage..I don't even like it..not going to use it...want nothing to do with it. If I wanted a copied/pasted junk, i'd do it myself.
Goodbye"

My conclusion at the end of this- some form of scam.  Anybody think otherwise?


Sam

By the way- if relevant, I can post my answers to her "quiz", but I thought it would just add clutter.




KatyLied -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/18/2008 10:56:26 AM)

It sounds like someone trying to get you to do their home work for a marriage and family living class.




uninterested5 -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/18/2008 12:07:38 PM)

Holy shit I'm never doing homework again.




BrokenSaint -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/18/2008 12:38:00 PM)

That is pretty inventive, I'll give them tons of credit there.




samboct -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/18/2008 1:25:27 PM)

I must admit, I do think it shows a certain amount of originality.




hardbodysub -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/18/2008 2:00:28 PM)

Might be original, but it would have taken her less time to just do the assignment herself. Plus, she might actually learn something from doing it.




samboct -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/18/2008 2:24:17 PM)

Which is why I think it's a scam...one aimed at getting answers to a bunch of what may be online courses extremely cheaply. 

I thought about her response to my answers- decided that the only thing that makes sense is that she liked them and wanted more.  Otherwise, if she didn't think they were worthwhile- the simplest thing to do is to tell me to take a hike.  The, "well, this won't do at all, try again" is aimed at coming up with more.  So now the question becomes- how many answers to courses can one person need?  My guess is that her response rate may be high enough to get a number of decent responses to coursework, which could then be sold for profit.  Admittedly, I'm guessing here.

Sam




DesFIP -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/18/2008 8:13:30 PM)

Not a financial scam. Just trying to get someone to do her homework for her. Young, immature, and amoral since plagiarism didn't bother her at all.

Had she been honest she would have told you she was stumped, or behind timewise and asked if you could do some basic research for her including sources.




samboct -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/18/2008 8:47:51 PM)

Certainly possible.  However, her profile claims she's 42- sounds like quite a stretch from a student.  Plus, it seems that she's still frequenting this board- how many people do you need answering your homework problems for you?  Hence, my thought is that it's a financial scam, but if you take her comments at close to face value- you might be right.  I guess if other guys ran into something similar, that would give more credence for a broader financial scam- this might just be an isolated case.

Sam




SurrenderForMe -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/18/2008 9:19:35 PM)

It was an original scam.  But she only gets a C, because she was not gracious.  




sujuguete -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/19/2008 7:20:16 AM)

I agree with DesFIP, young and immature (even at age 42).

Sam, you seem a little put out that she didn't "like" your answers.  Why does it even matter?  Whether this scam is for her financial gain or simply to get someone else to do her homework for her, it is still a scam.  Please tell me this is not the kind of person you hope to start a relationship with.




lalbobbilynn -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/19/2008 1:09:56 PM)

i concur, and i would add although she states to be in her 40's it seems rather obvious she is lacking, and not just in the homework arena!
b.~
quote:

ORIGINAL: SurrenderForMe

It was an original scam.  But she only gets a C, because she was not gracious.  




samboct -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/20/2008 5:34:29 PM)

Sujuguete-

Ah, rather perspicacious of you.  Truth be told, I guess I was a little annoyed- I'd spent a couple of hours coming up with something that I'd hoped was original and would get me noticed only to discover my effort was in vain.  It can be quite challenging to try and stand out from the thundering herd, and this "quiz" seemed to be tilted in my favor- I'm not going to win any body building competitions.

Am I still interested in this individual?  Nope- even if it's only a scam to get her homework done, as noted by several posters  (thanks b-), she seems to lack maturity, honor, and grace at a minimum, and contrary to the movies, I don't find scammers to be noble souls.

I posted this because if there is a financial basis involved here, I didn't want others to be taken.  I can certainly walk away from a couple of hours of head scratching and composing, because I actually found it kind of fun.  I always enjoy a good debate, but unfortunately, my responses were fruitless.  C'est la vie!

Thanks all,

Sam




DominaSmartass -> RE: A potential scam aimed at educated, submissive men. (7/21/2008 5:00:25 PM)

This is sad, yet oddly amusing. I have to agree that it's completely wrong and as a serious student (before graduating at least) I would never have dreamt of doing something so idiotic, yet in a way I'm sort of impressed. It's oddly clever in a Tom Sawyer-get the other kids to do your chores but make them think it's fun-kind of way.





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