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Termyn8or -> Fledgling birds (7/21/2008 5:50:31 PM)

As most probably know, I am off Mondays. So I decide to sit out on the porch today. Talked with the olman about alot of things, from alternative fuels (he knows things, he was a high end job shop machinist, made the first machine that produced floppy disks in fact)

We talked about all kinds of things, history of the world, like how the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family became the Windsors and who brought in the bleeder gene. All the way from that to politics and my idea for the 400HP 40MPG car. Like I said he knows shit, he has built a few racing engines, including V8s that could do nine thousand RPM. Give that a try sometime. We can tell you why it is so difficult yet so easy for a crotchrocket engine.

But the birds. There were a hell of alot of them. I mean ALOT. Little things, fledglings no doubt. Hunting and pecking for food. I got to thinking, and the million thoughts in my head got replaced by a different million thoughts.

If I were a bird I could fly, but I would not have the mental capacity to really appreciate it. I would take it for granted, and a bird that can't fly dies usually.

I mean in the street and the front yard there may have been like forty of them there at the same time. Looking for food of course, that is about all they do. I was thinking about how simple life could be. Living on bugs instead of buying on time.

Yes I bought on time, just because it is paid off doesn't mean I didn't do it. It doesn't mean that I did not enslave myself for a time. A bird just flies away. It doesn't care about shit, just the next edible thing it can find. So simple.

Thinking about my job which I might have to quit, don't worry, I'll get another, but birds have no such problems. It never enters their mind, whether they have one or not.

I was at peace. I also watched the cat from across the street try a little hunting. Came back with nothing. Poor thing, but what if he had caught one ? What about the bird he kills ? I realize that this is nature, and we live and die.

As humans we think we are somehow above the laws of nature. We think it can't or at least shouldn't happen to us. What gives us that right ? Top of the food chain ? Go into the bowels of Africa and face up to a huge tiger or lion and think again.

Go swimming with sharks and eat one. Really, what is it that gives us domain over this planet ? We are hairless apes, and alot of people really aren't much more. Absorbed into technology that they have no nope or desire to understand even though it controls their lives.

Birds do not have these issues.

So which species is better off ? We have to worry about specie (money) and all kind of shit, and where has it gotten us ? We are sick and dying, birds just fly around looking for bugs to eat. And if you are healthy right now, don't think this does not apply to you. I know and I have proof that aging at the rate we do is caused by deficiencies in our food. But then birds do not have that problem either.

So in the whole of human development, what have we really gained ? Incontinent, diabetic, depressed people with kids on SSRIs.

What have we gained ? Put a Man on the moon, for what reason ? Just to prove up to the USSR ? That's what it was all about. There was no other reason to do it, and showing our ass is what put the probe on Mars. For what ? It will be a hundred years before we make a dime off of this technology.

Meanwhile back on the planet we are losing the ability to feed ourselves, and everybody is out to screw everybody (present company excluded). I simply don't see the advantage.

Be a bird. Live a few years and never have to fill out a tax form, get car insurance, worry about your kid coming home pregnant, or your Wife leaving you. Never have to deal with a TV technician, auto mechanic or air conditioning repairman. No replacement windows on the house, no cement Man to pour a new driveway, nothing of the sort. No wiring problems or roof leaks. No flat tires. No assholes on the highway.

Are we really better off ?

T




Vendaval -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/21/2008 6:15:06 PM)

The pangs of consciousness can be serious obstacles to happiness.  Can you find happiness and contentment, perhaps even joy in life despite the imperfections of the world?




MstrObjectmaker -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/21/2008 6:26:49 PM)

Ok T, life as a bird seems pretty idyllic, but look at the hardships a bird has to endure through its lifetime.......hunger, the threat of becoming food for some other animal, the threat posed by humans from their vehicles through to their need to develope land for construction. And the fact that a bird needs to find a mate, build a nest, bring up its chicks without them dying from hunger, predators, the cold and a whole host of man made disasters.

At least as humans we have developed technologies to help us survive.

We also have so much more that birds and other creatures don't have, such as the joys of music, the written word, philosophy, the ability to laugh, the ability to invent, etc..........

So to answer your question..........HELL YES!!!




Termyn8or -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/21/2008 10:18:21 PM)

Ven, the joy or almost joy is what I thought I was expressing. Am I really so negative that this did not come through ?

[I will be looking into that, not like I care what anyone thinks of me, but I do care what they think of what I say]

And Mstr, they only die once.

Now listening to Sammy Hagar - Where Eagles fly.

If I ever get myself into a jet cockpit, I want this playing.

That cat never had a chance, they were too fast. Poor thing. Forty real meals out there and he couldn't get one. Back to the cat food.

T




Vendaval -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/21/2008 11:20:41 PM)

Apologies for the misunderstanding, Term.  It was a rhetorical question. You sounded very happy in this post.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Ven, the joy or almost joy is what I thought I was expressing. Am I really so negative that this did not come through ?





MstrObjectmaker -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/21/2008 11:22:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

And Mstr, they only die once.

T


So do we T. [:D]




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/21/2008 11:24:47 PM)

Term, you're not building a set of wings in your garage are you?




pahunkboy -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/22/2008 4:50:07 AM)

man oh man Term, you can kill a good coffee buzz.

lol.

Animals do not know they will die someday.

Are we better off?                          yes.  








Your frustration in life I understand.  Every transaction is a ordeal.  Weather is is "replacement windows" LMAO,  buying a tv, heck WATCHING TV!

out world is cluttered with noise.  alot of noise.

the highlight of my parrots day is when he sees me.  and when i treat him to a peanut with the shell.

I got tired of the rig-a-morow with modern life. SO I cancelled tv signal.  [the debit went thru 2x, they took it out put it in took it out, a $19 bill was $91]   So now for free I get 10 shopping channels... the NASA channel,  and msnbc and oxegyn for the month as a promo.

On flying you might like the NASA channel.

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housesub4you -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/22/2008 4:59:28 AM)

Life as a Bird, The ability to fly where ever they choose and NO Dam desire to go on vacation!

Hell the birds in my area choose to walk for some dam reason.  There are 100's of Geese and Ducks waddleing all over the area, when you approach them in a car they stop and stare at you then walk every so slowly out of the way.

Yea, there are those asshole's who choose to run them over.




wandersalone -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/22/2008 7:48:49 AM)

Being in the middle of moving states, packing and job hunting the thought of being a bird with none of these worries and responsibilities sounds divine however I would not want to give up the ability to feel love, joy, happiness, sadness, contentment and every other emotion I feel.




heartcream -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/22/2008 8:17:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


...If I were a bird I could fly, but I would not have the mental capacity to really appreciate it. I would take it for granted, and a bird that can't fly dies usually...

...I mean in the street and the front yard there may have been like forty of them there at the same time. Looking for food of course, that is about all they do...

...Thinking about my job which I might have to quit, don't worry, I'll get another, but birds have no such problems. It never enters their mind, whether they have one or not...

...Go swimming with sharks and eat one. Really, what is it that gives us domain over this planet ? We are hairless apes, and alot of people really aren't much more. Absorbed into technology that they have no nope or desire to understand even though it controls their lives...

...Birds do not have these issues...

...So which species is better off ? We have to worry about specie (money) and all kind of shit, and where has it gotten us ? We are sick and dying, birds just fly around looking for bugs to eat. And if you are healthy right now, don't think this does not apply to you. I know and I have proof that aging at the rate we do is caused by deficiencies in our food. But then birds do not have that problem either...



Hmmm, I feed birds in my yard every day. Loads and loads of amazing sparrows come to warble and gulp down the bird food I put down. Mourning doves, red winged black birds, cardinals, cutest finches, and robins show up.

I do not assume I know what their consciousness is. I do believe it is likely far more advanced than my own. I sense their appreciation for Life is vast, their appreciation for each other is too, have you watched a mother bird feed it's babies?

I do think they have food problems as we do, especially city birds. Have you seen the crap sea gulls mow down? The food/ground on our planet has been largely poisoned, destroyed, how would it not affect them too?

Looking for food is not about all birds do in my opinion. They have higher consciousness. It is us humans that think they are only foragers. Have you listened to them? They are in touch with some pretty spectacular joy.

I had a sparrow in my hand that was so heart-breakingly sad. I rescued (tried to) the bird in Manhattan that had fallen in some black oil.

Birds, to me, are like trees, far wiser and full of knowledge than I can almost ever know. In my feeling guts I would say they are extremely aware of what is going on. Birds for the most part, are so freaking amazing and tender.

It would be fun to fly but it does not mean that a birds life is somehow less or more simple than our own. We are all connected. They may have a deeper appreciation for simplicity than we do but I bet they are every bit as complex and deep as us humans.




purepleasure -> RE: Fledgling birds (7/22/2008 6:52:42 PM)

How do we know, or not know that birds have emotions?  Personally, I believe that birds are very capable of emotions.  There is a mated pair of cardinals that visit my birdfeeder daily.  The male comes and sits in the tree to see if there is food available, he stays and watches for about 5 minutes or so - without feeding.  He leaves and in less than a minute, the female comes to the feeder and eats, all the while the male watches her, and any other birds that may be near.  When she's finished, they both leave, but then he comes back and feeds.  They've done this for the last 2-3 years, and it's the same way almost every day.  And romantic, in a birdy way.  He makes sure his mate is safe and well fed, before he takes his sustenance.  In the years they have offspring, it's lovely to watch the parents to bring the chicks to feed.  But it's also heartbreaking in a way to watch the parents force the young ones to leave the nest when it's time.  Ah... such is nature.




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