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Definition please - 11/15/2005 5:23:30 AM

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I feel so ignorant asking this, but

What exactly does RACK mean? I know what SSC, but what is the difference between the two?

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 5:36:31 AM

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RACK stands for Risk Aware Consensual Kink

Many people feel that SSC is too limiting, as the definitions of safe, sane and consensual are very narrow to too many other people. SSC can be taken to mean that edge play is not allowed.

So they came up with RACK. It has come to mean you are aware of the risks and are consenting to the kink. This way it can incorporate edge play, such as breath control, knife play, blood games and what have you.

Here is a link that has some information:
http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/RACK

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 8:43:08 AM

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Thankyou so much :)

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 9:08:16 AM

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SSC (or the way I define it, SSCC) is Safe, Sane, Consensual (Confidential) and RACK is Risk Aware Consensual Kink. I practise both, depending on the level of the slave/submissive.

To Me SSCC is the way I've practised for decades, but RACK is where My heart is now! I've done cuttings, breath play, fisting (both orifices, both sexes) Dilatation and Expansion and more. I start SSCC on *every* slave/sub I play with and then, if s/he is ready, we proigress to RACK... if s/he is not, we remain at the level most comfortable for us both.

The mildest scenes I've done are so gentle and sensual, they leave the person panting with joy and completely safe. Blindfolds, talking, sensual touch, brush-play and pressure, dermal mapping and such. The sub is taken places verbally with enough sensory input that they feel what they are being told about, even if My hands are not on them.

The hardest edged play I do includes cutting (with Japanese style white silk memento pressings), branding, double fisting and bloodwhipping, scrotal insufflation, Urethral dilation and capsaicin administrtation, needle-play, electricity and heavy mind-play including execution and death roleplay. Ahh, if I had a nickel for every time I've "sacrificed" slave k! She LOVES it!

One of My very favourite toys is a Kallmann four-blade Urethral Dilator with Guyon's Curve that will slide into the urethra (about the diameter of a thin pencil) and expand to the size of a plantain banana. A few drops of Dave's Insanity Sauce (AFTER we have allergy patch-tested the sub, two days previously!! Do NOT try this without knowing what you are doing!) or heated.iced water and the subject is definitely in some real pain!Definitely serious RACK. Eventually pictures of that little goodie will be on My domain site.

So yes, SSCC and RACK can be employed both by the same person depending on the sub and the scene.

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 9:14:28 AM

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OK what on earth do you mean by "progressing" from SSC to RACK???

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 10:18:22 AM

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What exactly does RACK mean? I know what SSC, but what is the difference between the two?

The difference between the two? Well RACK contains 4 letters while SSC contains 3. Also RACK contains a vowel and SSC does not. Because RACK contains a vowel, the 4 letters actually are a word while SSC is not.

Seriously, my take on the whole thing is that SSC was something created to apease those who are not involved in WIITWD. Something showing that those who are involved in WIITWD are acting as responsable adults, and all acts are consensual. I have never been able to jump on the SSC bandwagon....not much that i do is either SAFE or SANE. I believe there are a number of people who also feel this way....thus the creation of RACK (RISK AWARE CONSENSUAL KINK). Again, something to apease those not involved in WIITWD...hopefully giving them a better understanding that, Yes we know that what we do is RISKY.....and that we CONSENT to this RISK.

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 10:56:12 AM

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The difference between the two? Well RACK contains 4 letters while SSC contains 3. Also RACK contains a vowel and SSC does not. Because RACK contains a vowel, the 4 letters actually are a word while SSC is not

LOL

You got me stumped on another though.

WIITWD?

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 11:19:38 AM

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WIITWD = Whatever It Is That We Do.

Then there's the Association Creating Ridiculous, Overly Nitpicky Yenta-ish Memes or A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 11:23:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kyami

quote:

The difference between the two? Well RACK contains 4 letters while SSC contains 3. Also RACK contains a vowel and SSC does not. Because RACK contains a vowel, the 4 letters actually are a word while SSC is not

LOL

You got me stumped on another though.

WIITWD?

What It Is That We Do
This is a new one to me too. I have never seen it before these forums. My understanding is that it came about because of people who hate the term "the lifestyle"
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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 11:23:36 AM

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LOL ok, that got me......laughing so hard now

/smacks forehead as light goes on

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 11:25:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadySonelle

Then there's the Association Creating Ridiculous, Overly Nitpicky Yenta-ish Memes or A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.

Now that is funny... and sooooooo true

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 11:57:16 AM

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quote:

This is a new one to me too. I have never seen it before these forums. My understanding is that it came about because of people who hate the term "the lifestyle"
Tony

I've been using WIITWD for about 5 years now. I don't hate the term "lifestyle" I just think WIITWD is a perfect "catch all generic" term. Not everyone who does WIITWD is a lifestyler, and a lot of what I do has nothing to do with my lifestyle.

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 12:25:03 PM

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What It Is That We Do
This is a new one to me too. I have never seen it before these forums. My understanding is that it came about because of people who hate the term "the lifestyle"

I first saw it used in the mid nineties, on Gloria Brames VariationsII (13b) message boards on Compuserve. It was just a catch all, so that the DD (domestic disipline) or The Spanking/er contigingent wouldn't feel left out by the use of 'BDSM' (which was an 'AOL' term, and a bit distained, anyway<g>).

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 1:55:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

OK what on earth do you mean by "progressing" from SSC to RACK???

I'll second that. Even if you think RACK includes more edgeplay than SSC allows I don't see them as seperate. RACK would be used in place of SSC as a describer for a BDsM philosophy. RACK doesn't exclude soft non edgy play like ticlking in favor only of the stuff that scares the poopy outa outsiders.

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 2:07:07 PM

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I do see them as seperate.

SSC is something I have used in the past - but find that progression leads to the realisation that nothing is safe - including tickling. This is where R.A.C.K fits just right for me.

To believe that anything is 'safe' would be naive. Tickling, for example, an asthmatic, or someone with heart or breathing problems can be dangerous. Tickling whilst having someone in bondage, can be dangerous. Something as simple as tickling CAN be edge play, under the right circumstances.

SSC is believing tickling is safe.
R.A.C.K is knowing that tickling can be dangerous.

There is a big difference.

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RE: Definition please - 11/15/2005 5:50:29 PM

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I only follow one

AAAPITA
(acronyms are a pain in the ass)

I find using my words makes conversation much clearer

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RE: Definition please - 11/16/2005 4:42:49 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

OK what on earth do you mean by "progressing" from SSC to RACK???

Maybee they ment "perogies"?

Mmmmmm! Perogies!

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RE: Definition please - 11/16/2005 5:09:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

(fast reply option picked)

I only follow one

AAAPITA
(acronyms are a pain in the ass)

I find using my words makes conversation much clearer

Wisdom at its finest lol. This made the most sense to me, more so than anything else. Thank you so much everyone :)

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RE: Definition please - 11/16/2005 12:34:54 PM

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AAAPITA
(acronyms are a pain in the ass)

When talking about this topic at one point, I made the comment "If you need an acronym to tell you the difference between erotic play on the one hand and criminal psychopaths on the other, then you will never understand the difference no matter what acronym you use."

This was quickly picked up by some other folks who now explain that they folow neither SSC nor do they folow RACK but they follow IYNAATTYTDBEPOTOHACPOTOTYWNUTDNMWAYU.

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RE: Definition please - 11/19/2005 9:02:05 PM

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KYAMI
GREETINGS
RACK AS FAR AS I KNOW IS A DEVISE USED IN TORTURE STRETCHING AND I SAW WHAT WAS DONE TO MY NEXT TOP WITH THIS ....AND THE ONLY OTHER RACK I KNOW IS THE MEAT RACKS ALSO USED ,FOR MAFIA TO TORTURE VICTIMS HANGEM UP AND CHOPEM UP TORTURING THEM ,FOR MONEY INFO.IM RIPE WITH THE UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE IN BOTH TYPES OF RACKS(SAW THE RESULTS AND LOST PEOPLE TO BOTH)
WHATS SSC?

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