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LuckyAlbatross -> RE: corner training (7/26/2008 8:43:25 AM)
I think Oside put it best- corner time is one thing, corner training is another.

SirWAX -> RE: corner training (7/29/2008 6:15:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I think Oside put it best- corner time is one thing, corner training is another. What would that difference be? I believe that corner training is a lot like how ownedgirlie compared it with crate training a puppy. Just as you would not want the puppy to defecate in their dwelling, find security as crate training could also be used for; one can also teach a sub (depending on that sub) any number of lessons with having them corner trained in a colorful way as Diphon uses. shrugs makes sense to me. Sincerely, SirWaxaLot EDIT: I guess it matters if you consider it positive or negative reinforcement

LonDom61 -> RE: corner training (8/27/2008 11:33:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: softness quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross Waste of time words right out of my mouth Is it Chia that has "Stick me in the corner and I will just colour the walls!" as a tag line ? fits me like a glove Hi softness. Yup, I'm pretty sure that's Chia's line. Read it a few days ago & got a good chuckle. Thought of it right away when I saw this thread. I'm in discussion with a female submissive with a little girl (as opposed to lilgirl) side. she liked the line too; said it sounded like her. I think, when I have a submissive's devotion, that punishment begins not with corporal but with a word or glance to indicate my disappointment or displeasure. Anticipating possible scenarios (if our relationship proceeds), I think corner time may be useful at times too. And appropriate to the lg aspect. But I'll frisk her for crayons first. (And the frisking will be fun.) = = = A few other thoughts. It's not "training to sit in a corner". It's using corner time as part of training. Beyond that, it can be a discipline tool outside of training per se, a punishment that doesn't rely on pain (since that may not always be a negative), a reminder of place (NOT in & of itself sufficient, but a perk in combo with other items in the list) a chance to reflect (perhaps asking her, when released, what thoughts, conclusions, realizations she had during the Time Out), etc. I also liked ownedgirlie's point about adding a bondage element. Cuz, like Jello, "there's always room for bondage!" And the "putting away" aspect. Diphon's analysis and ping pong ball ideas were good, too. ( = = = Edited after completing the thread Back to softness & her page 2 comment: Good elaboration on your primary point. you point out that, if you've messed up you need a conversation with Him, not yourself. I feel the same way. Further to my comment above, discussion with me would come before & after the Time Out. Sort of "Here's my perspective. What's yours?" Listen, discuss as appropriate. Then the time out (if still warranted), followed by "How do you see it now?" and, if needed, further discussion. And "he'd sorta have to be in the corner with me"... (laughs)

DarkSteven -> RE: corner training (8/27/2008 5:56:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper If you're put in the corner to establish dominance, I see how its foolish, compared to so many other ways. If you're put in the corner along with the statement "You've failed me. Sit in the corner and think of what you've done." it's something else. Agreed, but corner time also gives the Dom time to cool off if he's angry. And if it's a multisession spanking, corner time can be a break during sessions of it.

chiaThePet -> RE: corner training (8/27/2008 6:54:22 PM)
Hell, look what it did for Michelangelo. chia* (the pet)

hopelessfool -> RE: corner training (8/27/2008 7:16:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper If you're put in the corner to establish dominance, I see how its foolish, compared to so many other ways. If you're put in the corner along with the statement "You've failed me. Sit in the corner and think of what you've done." it's something else. Agreed, but corner time also gives the Dom time to cool off if he's angry. And if it's a multisession spanking, corner time can be a break during sessions of it. I disagree, putting me in the corner makes me think Ive done wrong, how is it okay to make me feel Ive done wrong because hes angry. Sure I might have made Him angry, yes Its moste likely, but still, Him controling His anger is Him, it shouldnt be about me at all, saying pet go play on the computer, go for a run, all better choices then makeing me sit in the corner and beat up my self and other wise hate myself for displeasing him because hes angry is a no go in my book.

charlotteS -> RE: corner training (8/28/2008 1:27:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: softness If I am being stuck in the corner ... for anything constructive and useful to come from it ... He kinda has to be in the corner with me ... Ohhh Ohhhh, can I sit in a corner with you?! Please! Master has put me in a corner once and it served as a reminder of my place with him. I had messed up and I was still trying to protest my innocence, that I didn't mean it etc. Sitting in the corner made me stop trying to convince him why I wasn't wrong and just accept that I was stuck there till he decided to get me. It reminded me of my helplessness and ultimately that I want to be with someone who will make me feel helpless like that. I think it can be used as a training tool but it would be important that the submissive understand why it is being used and that the Dominant understand how his submissive reacts to such corrections. If it serves as a centering place, or a situation that humbles the slave then great. If she just feels abandoned or belittled then the Dominant will probably not be achieving the desired result. charlotte

shykitty1 -> RE: corner training (8/29/2008 11:11:56 AM)
the one and only time i have actually had to be put in the corner, i was stuck in the corner in the middle of a play party, and had to listen to them play but was unable to join in. My Master at the time explained to me before hand what i had done wrong and why i was being punished for it. It served its lesson, and now the moment someone mentions corner time, i lower my eyes, cross my wrist and say "i will be good Sir"

tweedydaddy -> RE: corner training (9/24/2008 4:42:44 PM)
It starts with putting down this piece of newspaper.....

Jeptha -> RE: corner training (9/24/2008 7:05:03 PM)
I've only put someone in the corner very temporarily, so that I could think, without distraction, about how I wanted to arrange objects in the physical environment of the room we were in. There was a lot of stimuli and stuff going on around us, and I wanted it to be a short term sensory deprivation (the sense of sight, at least) thing. I've never done it as a punishment. And, seeing her obediently standing there facing the corner was very lovely.

MadRabbit -> RE: corner training (9/24/2008 7:16:39 PM)
To me, anything out of a BDSM fantasy story that can be eroticized is not something I would use to maintain my dynamic, correct behavior, or discipline.

WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: corner training (9/25/2008 12:58:53 AM)
I want your bare naked ass standing in the corner now! Make certain your nose is touching that fucking corner. Hands down at your side! No talking and don't move until I fuck say other wise, else I'll have you in the corner in a way you really won't like. I don't even so much as to want to hear a sigh, wimper, or moan from you. I'd better not catch those dirty sluttly hands of yours touching that fucking wall. If they do I might have to make you hold something heavy in each hand and stand there, you won't like it, trust me. If you think I'm being a bastard now, you ain't seen nothing yet. Just be thankful I'm going this easy on your ass right now. I want to you spend some good quality time reflecting upon life for awhile and what you did wrong. We'll talk later after you've had some time to think. hehehehe... how's that for an answer?

Esclava2one -> RE: corner training (10/10/2008 11:49:41 PM)
Because Master and i are so far apart when i am disobedient He gives me corner time. For me it is very effective i do think about what i have done and how to prevent it from happening again. Some would ask how does He know you are actually in the corner, one He trust me and because of that trust i will not violate His order and two when i am done i am to call Him, He says that he can tell by the sound of my voice if i have done it or the obvious, web cam when it is working. Some might say if it is so effective why have you been in the corner more than once, well i have never been in the corner for the same thing twice. lol i hate the corner.

spankablemilf -> RE: corner training (10/11/2008 7:04:31 AM)
OMG, spew alert. I almost spit my soda on my screen. Thanks so much for my humor for the day. quote: ORIGINAL: Viridana Why do some people persist on sticking the word "training" behind every unremarkable action? Are those actions somehow going to be more deep, mysterious, ritual or special because of it? Blah...I'm gonna get some sleep training after my toothbrush training and sex training. Ooooh I'm so "twue lifestyle" now

spankablemilf -> RE: corner training (10/11/2008 7:07:05 AM)
You are good. I so agree with both sentiments here! quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: Viridana Why do some people persist on sticking the word "training" behind every unremarkable action? Are those actions somehow going to be more deep, mysterious, ritual or special because of it? Exactly. Do you really need to be trained on how to stand in the corner? I think "corner training" is a made up thing and a waste of time. That doesn't mean that I think "corner time" is a waste of time, it just means that the subject of "corner training" is.

NihilusZero -> RE: corner training (10/11/2008 9:56:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hopelessfool I disagree, putting me in the corner makes me think Ive done wrong, how is it okay to make me feel Ive done wrong because hes angry. Sure I might have made Him angry, yes Its moste likely, but still, Him controling His anger is Him, it shouldnt be about me at all, saying pet go play on the computer, go for a run, all better choices then makeing me sit in the corner and beat up my self and other wise hate myself for displeasing him because hes angry is a no go in my book. So...if you've angered him, the response should be to give you leisure time to distract yourself rather than time to reflect on why/how what you did helped trigger the anger because your natural disposition would be to throw a self-deprecation party for yourself instead of actually focusing yourself on the process of learning and understanding what happened so it doesn't again? What's the point of any punishment/discipline if the sub is just going to treat it as an opportunity for self-pity rather than as a way to please her Dom by reflecting on the situation so as to not have it happen again?

NihilusZero -> RE: corner training (10/11/2008 9:58:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit To me, anything out of a BDSM fantasy story that can be eroticized is not something I would use to maintain my dynamic, correct behavior, or discipline. Seems like being intentionally not well-read in that genre would be the easy counterpoint to this. [8D]

DesFIP -> RE: corner training (10/11/2008 11:10:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LonDom61 I also liked ownedgirlie's point about adding a bondage element. Cuz, like Jello, "there's always room for bondage!" Disagree with adding bondage unless you want her to feel that she is being punished every time she's bound. If he took something I loved and mixed it with a negative experience, I would feel negative about it from then on. That's why people who do use corporal punishment tend to reserve just one implement so that the sub doesn't feel she's always in trouble and never enjoys play.

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NuevaVida -> RE: corner training (10/11/2008 1:52:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP quote: ORIGINAL: LonDom61 I also liked ownedgirlie's point about adding a bondage element. Cuz, like Jello, "there's always room for bondage!" Disagree with adding bondage unless you want her to feel that she is being punished every time she's bound. If he took something I loved and mixed it with a negative experience, I would feel negative about it from then on. That's why people who do use corporal punishment tend to reserve just one implement so that the sub doesn't feel she's always in trouble and never enjoys play. Not that it matters a whole lot, since I'm not even ownedgirlie anymore...(details, details, heh), but I did mention in one of my posts on this thread that corner time wasn't used as punishment for me; rather as a practice in discipline, a way to give me quiet, reflective time, and a way for him to "put me away" while doing other things. Having said that, and I know others do not feel the same as me on this one, but punishment for me always included a particular mind-set. He could have used whatever implement he wanted for punishment. I didn't associate that with doing wrong. I associated how I felt with having done wrong. For me, objects are just objects, and can be used for anything. It's not like I got hungry when he smacked me with a wooden spoon or anything. [;)] But it all depends on how we associate things.

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