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Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 8:49:03 AM   
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This came to mind reading another thread, and I am not sure if I have ever brought this up before, but I am pretty sure I haven't.

The best fed animal in captivity is the lab rat. Their feed is fortified with sixty some odd minerals and a few other things. Why ? Because they know that deficiencies cause disease. Also genetically, any defective ones are discarded. They are about as close to perfect physical specimens we can get.

So when they pump a gallon of poison throught them a day, and then call it a carcinogen, they know the disease was not caused by something else. This lends some validity to their findings.

Humans get diseases without drinking a gallon of poison a day. Even though some do, what the rats get in a lab is far more proportionally. So in the long run, I say that humans get more diseases from what we don't eat, rather than what we do.

Take a look at what is in Enfamil or Similac. Very little mineral content. They get away with it because the infant already sucked the Mother dry of minerals as a fetus. This is what causes gestational diabetes. In light of this, all the great minds that you allow to mess with your body's internal workings can't figure this out ? Some pregnant Women need insulin, and then all of the sudden they don't. Just how smart do you have to be to start thinking about this ? I think my Father is actually smarter than his doctors. It is just that they have a bunch of specific knowledge which gives them certain abilities.

Sometimes they don't seem to use it though. They will try to prescribe another drug and he will refuse, saying "That is a calcium blocker", or "I don't want an MAO inhibitor". I am a step further, I won't take any of it, but that is neither here nor there right now.

So what causes this lack of apparent reason ? When your cholesterol is twenty points high you don't need a pill that harms your liver, you need to adjust your diet. And that is only if you believe their numbers and believe what they claim the numbers should be.

They check cholesterol in the blood. That means it varies day to day. If you gorged on pizza the night before a cholesterol test, it will read different than if you gorged yourself on a big bowl of cucumbers and vinegar.

So why this apparent stupidity ? Well I have a few theories on that. I guess they are actually suppositions or assertations really, but if I believe them, they are my theories.

While you still can, before February, hook an antenna to your TV and tune in the local PBS affiliate. I agree they have some good material at times. If I watched TV it would most likely be the PBS affiliates. And not much. So much of it is historical in nature that unless it is one of certain subjects, I am usually not interested. Sometimes one is well done and contains very cogent and analytical narration. Sometimes. It is also slanted towards the politically correct. They do stray a bit because the aired a piece about the USS Liberty, which even mentioning is not politically correct.

However that kind of stuff is on at night. Watch it during the day sometime, see what kids today are watching. What happened to that science guy, whatever his name was ? What happened to alot of those shows that stressed learning over entertainment ? Now they try to get a teensy bit of education into a cartoon. Like the kids on the show with the big dog run a lemonade stand, lame shit like that.

Then they grow up and be doctors. They never gained the hunger for knowledge, it is only a means to an end. Dogma is dogma whether it is religous or scientific, and they must follow it because they have nothing else.

In the early years, if one gains the hunger for knowledge, especially science, or should I say the sciences nowadays, they gain a hundredfold. I saw some of these scientific tricks, and got interested. I saw something like an ice nail being pounded into something with a mercury hammer, in person. It was explained. It looked like a magic trick in a way, but the guy had a vat of liquid nitrogen. There were molds for the nail and hammer. Of course mercury becomes solid at those temperatures, and ice condenses and becomes more dense and therefore stronger. Guy had a few other tricks up his sleeve so to speak, like the one with the bottle of water and piece of paper, all kinds of things.

It got me interested. Not for the money it might make me one day, but for the knowledge itself. I can't say it any other way. How many people go to school just to get qualified or certified for some certain job or another ? Do they really hunger for the knowledge, or the almighty buck ?

There may be a certain amount of pride involved, when you have all those plaques on the wall. Certainly a tenth grade dropout would never argue with you, properly, I mean present facts etc. Guess again.

I do have a limited amount of respect for those pieces of paper and sheepskins, but all it means is that you did what was required. Yes it required learning and I don't expect to be talking to an idiot, usually. But the person is their only presentation. By their assertations and responses, you judge their intellect, totally ignoring all the plaques on the wall. You find out.

There are other factors. Some will go to schools and seminars for certifications and such, but they do it because it allows them to stay in a profession they enjoy. There is nothing wrong with that, but I am not switching sides so to speak.

I had an interest in math, but when I was young I didn't think I would ever use algebra. Well one day I had to cut trim for a custom, non standard staircase. I had my miter saw but there was not enough extra (expensive stuff) to make test cuts. So Jack is looking at me funny as I draw lines on the wall and all this, because I couldn't find anything that was suitable to directly measure the angle. Then, I couldn't find my calculator ! Damn. Well, I had cellphone at the time. I turned it on (it was always off when I am at work) and called the olman "Hey, what is the angle of point whatever is was, just gimme the angles to the sine and cosine". Once put up, it all looked like one piece of wood. No gaps.

I learned trig from the olman, but I learned the algebra in school. I never thought I would actually use it, really. And in time I taught him a few things about algebra. There were a few formulae he did not understand how to do. He was a quick study, he knew the basics, hell he needed it for his work. But a few of the finer points he was not getting. I went to NTMA training but had to quit because I lost my transportation there. But I aced the entrance exam. Maybe it's all for the better, because what I did focus on subsequently seems to be doing better for me right now.

Things will probably go good for me the next two years or so, but I will have to adapt. I hope my life experience has prepared me. I have a larger and larger share of an ever shrinking market. I can only ride it down so far. I also know that the time to prepare is now, not when I am under the gun to pay the bills. I have to think about it now.

I have to analyse and adapt. I think I'll be alright, but I won't if I sit here and write this post forever. So to sum it up, who is better suited to adapt to the changes coming ? It could be me. It could be my neighbor who can hunt and fish. It may be the old guy down the street who lived through the depression. I like talking with that guy.

To try to sum it up (in thirty paragraphs or less), you need different perspectives. Education does not just happen in schools. When I don't learn something new every day I feel cheated. It can be anything almost. It is like there is a vacuum in my mind, and nature abhors a vacuum. I want it all, but I want it all, which brings us to this.

I have seen alot of textbooks of course, some of them I would not let go. I mean bring it to the dinner table. Read the whole thing. I call these the thick ones, and have found that they are usually older. It seems now that every little point has too many examples, I get it, move on ! Dammit. Some I have refused to read.

Given all this, now people do not have to "buckle down" and learn, and actually enjoy it if the subject interests them. Now you just watch a show and they get you all ready to work in a fast food joint.

In other words, the kids need to have curiousity for something other than a fucking video game, and know that when they are getting taught, to pay attention. And this should come from people, the schools can't do it. Schools used to be reading, writing and rithmatic. The rest of the learning was done in life. And they survived.

To say this, I have been entertained, but really, I think that stopped when the original Star Trek went off the air. When it first came out we weren't allowed to talk, only during the commercials. But the olman would say things sometimes and we would crack up. But we had to shutup or leave. Later I grew some balls, but that is another story. It went into syndication and we watched the reruns, and I picked it apart. Technical errors. All kinds of them. The fact that all these aliens spoke English means nothing campared to what I was thinking. I'll not bore you with those details at this time.

Thing is, I got a day off because it is the slow season. It's OK, I can afford it, but what am I going to do with my time ? I want to learn something. Howstuffworks used to be one of my favorite websites until they screwed it up.

Maybe I am wrong. My buddy wants just a bit of help to get a GED, math and science are the problem for him. But his goal is to get a better job. The knowledge is just a means to an end. All he really cares about is hunting, fishing, his dog and his olady, in that order. But if the shit really hit the fan, and I mean we are starving, who's the better off now ? At least he can eat.

Changing my path is not an easy thing, to go into that, the outdoorsman type of life. But what if someday in the future all the stores are closed, or maybe I don't have any money ? There are deer around here, also, one single shotgun blast would probably not bring the cops. Survive ?

Like I said - some thoughts.

T
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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 9:16:43 AM   
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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 10:49:38 AM   
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Every time you do this, I have the sudden urge to say...........smoke it or pass it.

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 11:14:05 AM   
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(The proper phrase is, "Puff puff Pass, man"  or "You gonna Bogart that?" .... not that I would have Any reason to know this... )

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 11:25:13 AM   
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from rats, to poison, to diseases, to formula/breastfeeding, to calcium to pregnant women that need insulin, to your dad and doctors, to cholesterol and pizza, to public television and the USS Liberty and political correctness, to science and what kids are watching today, (Bill Nye the Science Guy i think, *gigglez to self cuz i'm actually answering that*, the dogma of doctors that grow up watching cartoons (?), to working in fast foods from playing too much video games, to..............   skipping to the end because my post is going to be as long as yours.......  changing your path? 

seems to me like a journey worth taking.  organize your thoughts, plan the best way to achieve your goals, and just do them knowing that you have a goal.  the only limits you have are those you place on yourself.  (and if you are on anything, you might do better to quit?  just a suggestion)

some thoughts indeed.  didn't know where you were going or what to make out of most of it.  i cant even say if i agree or disagree as some of the thoughts seem incomplete and random.  cant believe i read it all twice!!!  (must be the maso in me) 

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 11:25:43 AM   
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I don't know where you got high at, but I never used "puff, puff, pass man."  I have used Bogart, but it was never that endearing a phrase.

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 12:00:35 PM   
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On babies: my sister has listened to me about reducing sugar and lots of vegatables for the 2 year old.  he is calmish..  in fact when he had a cookie he got all hyper.
My sister is still open to ideas I present to her per raising the kid. I had a talk with her when she was out in July.  Mom does alot of baby sitting.  Well to mom everything is DANGEROUS.  Everything.  So I spoke about unreasonable fears.  This sparked when we were all out side and Ethen seen a huge ugly bug.  3 of us adults were debating the bug- when mom seen it she shrilled loudly.  Ethen with out missing a beat stepped on and killed the awful bug. [lol] all the while the adults were debating what type of bug is was. 
Being raised by the same parents - we were instilled the same fears- with the male female variation.


Now for job skills and education.

I went to a private high school.  I was intraverted. In junior year I fell behind in physics, religion and algabra 2.  So I was kicked out.  Of course this was the most terrible thing tha ever happened to me. lol.  Anyhow   I crammed in summer school, then did my senios year at the public school.  [which seemed like alot of baby sitting] I took a course at the community college.. graduated early and WITH honors.  From there- [I had no plans to go to college] I took a class- a few.. so why not a 2 yr degree-..as I went why not a 4 year?  So I crammed that into 3 years. Not because I am smart, [I am average] but I was good at figuring out the system. I went to 2 colleges one semester so as to finish up.   The problem was I took classes such as transaction analisys, personal growth, interpersonal growth- ..so courses to "grow'. [years later I repeated a few of them simply for the experience]

So- no job skills.

Dad used to say "no one can ever take an education from you".  well yes and no.  that is before I seen my gram getting dementia.

IF you seen my post on distraction- that I think is alot of todays problem.

My brother works- his own bussiness painting and that type of thing. His big client wants him more and more. He thinks he charges good money...and he quietly hopes to run into being in this mans will.... but he doesnt stop and smell the roses.  He could double his price and this man would barely blink.     I told my brother the [rich] man is NOT going to leave him money -it does not happen. 
As a kid my brother broke eveyrthing. It drove my dad crazy.  But that is how E learned how to fix things.. hence people need his service.


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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 1:06:55 PM   
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What would modern life be without all the self-induced poisons? Seriously dude, how much crap does the average American inhale or consume on a daily basis.
 
On a happier note, I am a big fan of PBS, TLC, The Discovery Channel and the like.

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 1:11:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
already sucked the Mother dry of minerals as a fetus. This is what causes gestational diabetes.

I will look into that hypothesis some more. For now my conclusion is that it is most likely an essential part of pregnancy and that in presenting women it is just more noticeable than in non-presenting women.

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 1:16:36 PM   
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After reading some of your lengthy post's I have decided, I do not want what ever it is you're smoking.  For a time I thought I did, but man you're all over the place. 

Take some 714's and relax

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 1:18:07 PM   
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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 1:51:26 PM   
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You guys.  

The OP has little to do with an alterred state of mind.
The poster- who mentioned worry about the future is probaly in the top 3 on the board that can deal with the future.

Anyhow  on the future- people for the most part still act like things are fine.  While biking around I hear air conditioners - on days that it really isnt needed.  We are in for a 42% increase in electric Jan 1.  But I still see alot of waste.

TVs are a good example. My TV uses as much electric as my refriderator. Some new model consumer as much electric as a small air conditioner. As I become mindfull on power used- I note how hard it is to dig up the data on gadgets.  It is like some trade secret.  So for a household of 1, 12 rooms, I reduced my bill down to $20.80. [hot water is nataral gas] Down $5 since I now know what hogs the power. 

The system is messed up, and you know what? a good many poeple are messed up ..and the two deserve eachocher.


Now as to PBS.   It wont work for me - due to the mountain range and that I am 50-60 miles away from 2 of the PBSs.  However I have listened to PBS online.  As well as C-Span.  It isnt spoon fed..but it is the same program.  So if you have DSL you can get those prgrams. 

Now to continue the ebb and flow of the thread...what do rich people do?

Someone I know went on a cruise ...and it was all ... well trashy.
I heard that the rich have their own dating sites, .. they dont stand in line at the airport, as they have an airplane or share one.  they get around the cruize by going on their yaught.   Gated communities.  Rare in PA..but propping up in NV, FL.

What would you do?

So probaly the house manager- gets the groceries for the chef...



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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 8:28:35 PM   
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from rats, to poison, to diseases, to formula/breastfeeding, to calcium to pregnant women that need insulin, to your dad and doctors, to cholesterol and pizza, to public television and the USS Liberty and political correctness, to science and what kids are watching today, (Bill Nye the Science Guy i think, *gigglez to self cuz i'm actually answering that*, the dogma of doctors that grow up watching cartoons (?), to working in fast foods from playing too much video games, to..............   skipping to the end because my post is going to be as long as yours.......  changing your path? 

seems to me like a journey worth taking.  organize your thoughts, plan the best way to achieve your goals, and just do them knowing that you have a goal.  the only limits you have are those you place on yourself.  (and if you are on anything, you might do better to quit?  just a suggestion)

some thoughts indeed.  didn't know where you were going or what to make out of most of it.  i cant even say if i agree or disagree as some of the thoughts seem incomplete and random.  cant believe i read it all twice!!!  (must be the maso in me) 


We call this "Happy Tangent Land" at our house -- and we can happily spend an entire weekend there -- we actually -have- gotten all the way back around to the original topic before (I think it took us 4 days in Tangent Land)!

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 10:19:06 PM   
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I was totally sober and straight when I posted that.  I warned you, I am not normal. If you think I am stoned or something because of how the post bounces around, or the typos in it, take a look at some of your own.

I think about alot of things. One of those things is the first day me and the olman went to the bar. I was eleven oir twelve and he told me "Don't take any shit from anyone". I asked "Even Mom ?", he replied "Anyone". I taught him later that 'anyone' included him as well. After that I was recieved as a Man. At the time I operated under his wing, but now I got my own wing.

I really don't know it means to be normal, and you know what, after seeing how the world is, I don't want to.

The only difference between me and Daumer is the appetite. (jk)

Understand that I do believe that these socially unacceptable solutions that I endorse are not the product of alcohol or any drug. Euthenasia, eugenics, mass exerminations, I thnik would be good things. But I also realize this - Who is to play God ?

So I realize my plan cannot be implemented. Did you think I am, stooooooopid or something ? Nothing works until people make it work, and I am sure that it will not work, until people want it to.

We got work to do, and I don't mean tomorrow when I go in, I mean we have alot of work to do on ourselves.

T

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/24/2008 10:38:44 PM   
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Want some more ?

Euthenasia and mass executions.

If there is a prosecution of me, charging that I should be killed because I am not good looking enough of smart enough, or physically adept enough, I will submit to execution.

Without much fear, I think this life is just a journey. The forces of the universe caused us to be here and examine life and everything in detail. Once we die we go back where we came form, and report I guess, or something like that.

T

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/25/2008 8:22:47 AM   
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Breath 1001.

Anyhow  you are correct.  Mr wizzard taight kids science on TV.  nasa tv has that, at times it is imformtive for an adult.

Listen to this.  We were suppose to get a batch of cash from the new casinos to our property tax.  Well somehow I did not  get what is called the home owner exemption.  So I complained.  They said too bad for this time - we will do it right next year.  I thought well if thats the deal...then later I thought no  They goofed, I did not.  So I took it a step higher.  Here is seems several of these exemptions were not processed.  So now I am on a list.

Oh- lets take produce. The farmer will put 5 peaches in a quart box- one of then is over ripe... eveyr box.  same thing with tomatos. you  have to get real good at feeling and eyeing ALL produce today. Sometimes you can switch the bad one with a good one- or walk in back where .the new stuff is waiting.

On TV.  You will be glad to know that for 5 years... I shared a TV line with mom. She was sweet to me- and I tried to return it back. Man I wish she did not move. I should have not taken her for granted.
Anyhow she lived in the front main house...me in the apartment above her garage. I ran a wire thru tube, and across the yard 35 feet. The neighbor asked what it was - I told her and said we are "immediate family".  [Same last name] So I got the everything package.   I wanted to run the internet wire too but she did not want it.

Speaking of that... I never did get the car window fixed. It wont roll up and it is electric.  I cant do a trip until I do that. I was going to do that this week but I was booked.  Now I get to hunt receipted from Lowes... for every thing I can find, areghh.

OH-  I wonder - as low as interest is on checking and savings and CDS, if mortgage excrow interest is higher?   If it is 2.5% that is ALOT higher then the 0.55 savings interest.

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/25/2008 1:58:36 PM   
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They check cholesterol in the blood. That means it varies day to day. If you gorged on pizza the night before a cholesterol test, it will read different than if you gorged yourself on a big bowl of cucumbers and vinegar.


Don't they generally tell you not to eat something for 24 hours before such a test is to be conducted?

 
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It went into syndication and we watched the reruns, and I picked it apart. Technical errors. All kinds of them. The fact that all these aliens spoke English means nothing campared to what I was thinking.

 
The aliens didn't speak English apparently in the future a device will be invented called a 'Universal Translator' it works much like the babelfish that you plug in your ear in another future.
 
I was generally wondering why klingons started out looking the same as humans but ended up looking errm non-human but mere humanoid. Furthermore I wondered why humanoid was not called klingoid instead.
 

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/25/2008 5:53:01 PM   
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"like the babelfish that you plug in your ear in another future. "

Another future, by that you mean not ours ?

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RE: Some thoughts - 7/25/2008 5:57:42 PM   
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No I mean the future depicted in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy rather than the future depicted in the Star Trek.

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