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First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/24/2008 3:03:09 PM

Vendaval

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I like the idea of focusing on the buyers rather than the sellers.

"A School for Johns"

As San Francisco prepares to vote on a bid to legalize prostitution, a closer look at a program designed to focus on buyers, rather than sellers, in the sex trade.

"The men, who are diverse in age and ethnicity, are voluntarily taking part in something called the First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP). It's a bit like traffic school for drivers with too many speeding tickets. But the day's lineup at what is sometimes called "johns school" has a unique curriculum—a series of "scared straight" talks about the ills of prostitution mixed with some seriously graphic sexual-health education. By attending the eight-hour session, and paying a $1,000 fee, these "johns" can avoid being prosecuted for solicitation. More than 5,700 men have gone through the program since its inception in March 1995. Over the last decade, the number of arrests annually in San Francisco for soliciting sex has varied widely, ranging from 140 to 1,200.

San Francisco's johns school is part of a renewed nationwide push by law enforcement to focus more on the buyers of sex than the sellers—a method that, if initial studies are to be believed, seems to be more effective than the cops' periodic roundups of prostitutes. Thirty-nine other U.S. cities have similar education programs in place, most based on San Francisco's school, which got government support after a city task force on prostitution created in 1994 recommended that officials focus on the social issues fueling prostitution instead of prosecution."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/148531

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/24/2008 3:34:56 PM

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2007 study by San Francisco psychologist and prostitution expert Melissa Farley found that in places where commercial sex is legal—such as Nevada, Germany, Australia and the Netherlands—illegal prostitution, as well as the number of rapes and assaults against prostitutes, has increased. Farley also found that more than 80 percent of the women working as prostitutes in Nevada's legal brothels "urgently want to escape." Both Germany and the Netherlands—country infamous for their red-light districts—are reconsidering their decisions to legalize the practice.

Increased from what, I wonder.

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/24/2008 5:45:14 PM

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2007 study by San Francisco psychologist and prostitution expert Melissa Farley found that in places where commercial sex is legal—such as Nevada, Germany, Australia and the Netherlands—illegal prostitution, as well as the number of rapes and assaults against prostitutes, has increased. Farley also found that more than 80 percent of the women working as prostitutes in Nevada's legal brothels "urgently want to escape." Both Germany and the Netherlands—country infamous for their red-light districts—are reconsidering their decisions to legalize the practice.

Increased from what, I wonder.

Ok, so make prostitution legal and all of a sudden the number of assualts go up?
It was probably always that number.

With prostitution illegal women would have felt unable to report abuse. (at a guess)

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/24/2008 5:59:32 PM

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not sure what the legality of prostitution has to do with the fact that one of the biggest reasons it (as well as sex slavery) is so rampant is the demand. while i'm not sure this particular avenue will work, at least someone is finally acknowledging that.

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/24/2008 7:01:38 PM

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Bethnai, please cite your source.

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/24/2008 7:21:59 PM

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Farley also found that more than 80 percent of the women working as prostitutes in Nevada's legal brothels "urgently want to escape."

So they're being screwed several times a day AND they're being held captive?

Damnit, Women get all the good jobs

Two thoughts:
The program should be called FAP, not FOPP.
$1000? i know what the city is focusing on, and it's neither education nor punishment...

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/24/2008 7:26:28 PM

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Increased revenue! Cha-ching!

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$1000? i know what the city is focusing on, and it's neither education nor punishment...

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/24/2008 11:13:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bethnai

2007 study by San Francisco psychologist and prostitution expert Melissa Farley found that in places where commercial sex is legal—such as Nevada, Germany, Australia and the Netherlands—illegal prostitution, as well as the number of rapes and assaults against prostitutes, has increased. Farley also found that more than 80 percent of the women working as prostitutes in Nevada's legal brothels "urgently want to escape." Both Germany and the Netherlands—country infamous for their red-light districts—are reconsidering their decisions to legalize the practice.

Increased from what, I wonder.

........i have no idea if this is true, but what if once prostitiution is legalised then the reporting of the sort of crimes you mention becomes more accurate? Could it be that illegal prostitution creates a pressure not to report such crimes and so, if legalised, there becomes a perceieved but not actual rise?

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 12:19:26 AM

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i've no sources to quote, however since prostitution has been permilttled by law, legal houses have to comply with OH&S, and have been prosecuted for failing to comply. Also all participants must be over 18, and there is other legislation to comply with, such as would apply for places of public entertainment, and if there is serving of food or alcohol, availbility of parking, access, etc etc. Under australian law the house now has to pay workers compensation premiums, superannuation based on salaries and wages as well as salaries and wages ... submit tax returns, etc etc, and the public liability premiums must be a killer! Proscutions do occur on any and all of these. As the operating costs have gone up so have the 'retail' prices. So now there is a 'legal' and an 'illegal' sex trade. Legal is more hi end and custom needs thru to the working man's place, outservice ... The illegeal are those who are desparate for funds. This could be anyone. There was a much puplicised case of a woman offering her services in exchange for tradesman's services to build/renovate a house ... humourous maybe. Then there are those with various addictions, whose standards for clientele and themselves virtually don't exist or the clientele who wont spend the money for the 'bells and whistles'!

so those that are acting legitimately either as the 'seller' or 'buyer' have the law available to complain ... but for the illegal 'seller' and 'buyer' nothing has changed.

s'pose it comes down to ... you get what you pay for!

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 5:01:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Bethnai, please cite your source.

Hiya V,

Oh her source on that one is not as important as the actual reviews of the "study". Farley has an agenda, and the results of her study are very suspect... so with no further delays, I give you:

http://sexinthepublicsquare.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/melissa-farley-in-scotland-trivializing-prostitution-and-trivializing-violence-against-women/

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 5:14:52 AM

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This focus on the buyer tactic has been tried before,namely in the war on drugs...last I looked that one was lost....but it makes for easy arrests and an increase in the statistical appearence of doing something....all the while the dealers were still plying their trade

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 5:15:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bethnai

2007 study by San Francisco psychologist and prostitution expert Melissa Farley found that in places where commercial sex is legal—such as Nevada, Germany, Australia and the Netherlands—illegal prostitution, as well as the number of rapes and assaults against prostitutes, has increased. Farley also found that more than 80 percent of the women working as prostitutes in Nevada's legal brothels "urgently want to escape." Both Germany and the Netherlands—country infamous for their red-light districts—are reconsidering their decisions to legalize the practice.

Increased from what, I wonder.

........i have no idea if this is true, but what if once prostitiution is legalised then the reporting of the sort of crimes you mention becomes more accurate? Could it be that illegal prostitution creates a pressure not to report such crimes and so, if legalised, there becomes a perceieved but not actual rise?

wish Id said that.....

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 5:15:43 AM

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Vendaval - My source was your article. That is where I pulled it from. I am questioning the validity of the study.

Seababy,
that is what I was thinking. It wasn't being reported before and the odds are that it is still under reported now so this great rise is highly improbable.

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 5:22:10 AM

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quote:

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Vendaval - My source was your article. That is where I pulled it from. I am questioning the validity of the study.

Uhm... Farley is not mentioned anywhere in that article...

Edited to make a correction... the quote is on page 3 of the article...... My fault.

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 8:27:44 AM

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this is no fair.

I am reaching an age that I have to hire out. Why should I be penalized for contributing to the economy.

Funny that prostitute thing on the gay side in small town is ...entertaining.

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 1:27:34 PM

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Thank you for clearing up my confusion, Bethnai.
Interesting link Thadius, I will have to look into this further. Thank you for finding it.

Hunkboy, do you have to pay an extra charge for long distance delivery? Do they show up with a six-pack and pizza?

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 4:58:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Thank you for clearing up my confusion, Bethnai.
Interesting link Thadius, I will have to look into this further. Thank you for finding it.

Hunkboy, do you have to pay an extra charge for long distance delivery? Do they show up with a six-pack and pizza?

Do you get a free one thrown in if they don't deliver in 30 minutes?

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 5:19:18 PM

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quote:

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Thank you for clearing up my confusion, Bethnai.
Interesting link Thadius, I will have to look into this further. Thank you for finding it.

Hunkboy, do you have to pay an extra charge for long distance delivery? Do they show up with a six-pack and pizza?

Do you get a free one thrown in if they don't deliver in 30 minutes?

...ah, but read the fine print......safety is important, you may get more.....

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 7:10:57 PM

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Where do they get the authority to legislate any of this shit, and that means the drugs as well.

T

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RE: First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) - 7/25/2008 8:10:39 PM

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Interesting program, but I find paying $1000 dollars excessive.

In my personal opinion, it is a waste of energy and time to overly focus on prostitution....the only time the cops need to check into that is due to abuse, sexual slavery-prostitution and the "uummms" being involved. Other than that, why should some poor guy, who is not good looking and can't get laid can't get his rocks off if he is willing to pay? As far as the state is concerned, this is a private transaction between individuals and falls in the private realm. I think here they castigate or punish prostitution too much, to the point where they have police women pose as hookers to ensnare or trap unsuspecting customers.....that is ridicoulous considering the cops should be targeting thiefs, rapists, etc...just my take. In any case studies have shown that sex crimes have gone down in the netherlands and countries that allow prostitution. Even in my native Chile, prostitution is allowed and there are talks to create a red-light district. That is how it should be.

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