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wandersalone -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 4:15:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 My session lasted all of ten minutes since I walked out before she could come up with a response. I will probably get a new shrink from the practice, but who gives a crap. Unless this is a mandated process why would you bother to continue to see a psychiatrist.... from reading this post it appears that you feel this is pointless (I apologise if I misread this). And just a reminder, psychiatrists, psychologists and counsellors are human so of course they will experience the same difficulties in life as their clients, the difference may be that they have some healthy strategies and ways to resolve/live with them - though speaking from experience I freely admit to people that I also screw up on a fairly regular basis. [:D]

camille65 -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 4:33:12 AM)
Hijack! I love your pic wandersalone. Hijack over. OP it is of course your choice on what to share or tell Shrink Lady. From the unhappiness of your post I think that you really do need to talk to someone, you sound depressed about the state of the world to me. I hope that you somehow find a way to move past the bitterness and see the beauty that exists.

Raechard -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 4:34:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 People are starving all over the world while others waste enough food in a year to feed a small village for 10 years. People often say that but I don't really see the relevance. It's not like food not wasted in the west = food gained in a third world nation; if only the supply chain had that 100% efficiency and flexibility in the first place. I don't see the purpose of pontificating on the subject, it does nothing useful. As for judging others charitable contributions: pointless and totally irrelevant to the standards you set yourself. http://www.oxfam.org/en/getinvolved/donate http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/helpicrc http://www.savethechildren.net/alliance/get_involved/main.html

stella41b -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 5:47:18 AM)
"People are inherently good. If they weren't, Mankind would have become extinct a long time ago." Roman Polanski. I don't know what to advise here, other than suggesting that extreme caution perhaps should be taken around root vegetables.

wandersalone -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 6:19:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stella41b I don't know what to advise here, other than suggesting that extreme caution perhaps should be taken around root vegetables. Words to live by!!! [:D] I pray you never leave this forum Stella!!!!

kyraofMists -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 7:44:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Today was my second of two sessions every week with the Psychiatrist, here after referred to as shrink lady. Shrink lady has been trying for months to get me to explain why I have a devote dislike for the human race in general, although I do make exceptions, and most of them happen to be members of these boards. I finally decided, because I was in one of those moods, to explain why that is so. Ahhh... so you gave a very competent demonstration of why some humans are so easy to dislike. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. Your diatribe to "shrink lady" demonstrates to me that you are just part of the problem. Knight's Kyra

sirsholly -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 8:15:21 AM)
i am not an MD, but am a therapist. If i were to put myself into her place you would not be a patient under my care from that moment on. In fact, if you had not have left on your own you would have been politely and firmly led to the door.

kiwisub12 -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 10:11:45 AM)
OP- rude rude rude - answering her question was good - personal attack - bad. I have been therapised - and while not enjoying some of it - for the most part, i looked forward to the process. I found it interesting to say the least - after all, how many people listen to you talk about your favourite subject - yourself. The point of therapy to me is to relieve your own angst and unhappiness - spewing venom onto the therapist seems counterproductive . Self honesty would be more worthwhile and cost effective. and i'm thinking there is a term for fighting about/ attacking something other than what you are angry/ afraid of. I don't think the real issue was nipples.

LaTigresse -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 10:23:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Today was my second of two sessions every week with the Psychiatrist, here after referred to as shrink lady. Shrink lady has been trying for months to get me to explain why I have a devote dislike for the human race in general, although I do make exceptions, and most of them happen to be members of these boards. I finally decided, because I was in one of those moods, to explain why that is so. So, I said: "The reason is simple, after spending time wondering around this rock and seeing what humans have a nasty habit of doing to each other, and I am referring to more than just war, I decided sometime ago that the majority of the human race really is a waste of space. People are starving all over the world while others waste enough food in a year to feed a small village for 10 years. And of course we have those holier than thou bible thumpers who claim that cancer, aids, poverty, drought, plague and everything else they can think of as punishments from heaven, when a number of these same bible thumpers are screwing around on thier wives, or worse. Finally, there are these wonderful psychiatrists and therapists that have just as many if not more mental hang ups as their patiants, such as a certian young shrink with 36 c cups who goes braless wearing silk shirts and keeps her office ac set at sub fucking artic. And, in truth, she probably needs some guy to screw her silly so that she isnt such an uptight bitch of a tease." My session lasted all of ten minutes since I walked out before she could come up with a response. I will probably get a new shrink from the practice, but who gives a crap. Now, for all those people who have totally opened their mouth and spoke their mind in the most undiplomatic way possible, this thread is for you. This includes military types who found a way to tell their CO he was the biggest asshole on the planet in such a way the CO couldnt figure it out until it was way too late to do anything. Sooooooooooo, Mr Happyhappjoyjoy, you weren't really expecting us to applaud you for your pathetic behaviour now were you???

Lynnxz -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 10:27:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SummerWind Sounds like somebody's got a case of the Mondays.... jlf - A few suggestions.....go visit a group home for people with Autism and observe what the volunteers and low paid staff do for a day. Do the same thing at your local orphanage, hospital burn unit and aids clinic. Volunteer yourself for Habitat for Humanity, a soup kitchen or Meals on Wheels. There is no way I'd want him to volunteer for anything! Bleh, workers like that are anything but helpful.

LadyRainfire -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 1:02:18 PM)
[8\|] Ok, while I don't think that what jlf said to the therapist was right, I have a question that sort of relates to the OP. If someone is living quietly by themselves, minding their own business and keeping to themselves, knowing they don't really like people, why do we expect them to get therapy and change? To "make happy" and conform to society's expectations? I'm not talking about the psycho killer who goes postal at the mall eventually, or the cult holed up with more arms and ammo than the local national guard that thinks everyone is out to get them but that quiet person 20 miles out of town that prefers their solitude and animals, is unfailingly polite and quiet when they do come into town, that type. I don't mind admitting that I'd rather spend time quietly at home with Lumus than go out to a club or bar. I also have very few close friends, though I know quite a few people. It's just the way I am. (Don't snicker too loud, holly, I can hear you from here!) So why do we think that people need to change if they don't like people? Unless they're a danger or a threat? Then I could understand.... Ideas? Thoughts? Edited for clarification (I hope.) That a person would seek help if needed (or wanted) to deal issues they may have. Or attend court-ordered therapy as required. However, as I've seen in the past personally, I've talked with one counselor who I went to deal with one issue and this therapist kept wanting to get off on other issues that she wanted to talk about. They weren't bugging me but she insisted that they just had to be and I needed to talk about them. She didn't like it when I kept saying that they weren't bugging me, that I had gotten over them. But to clarify my post, what I'm looking for, is discussion on why it's commonly thought that people should be social with everyone, that we all need to be social creatures, even those people who don't want to be. That those people who don't care for other people, who would prefer a solitary existance, are forced, or pressured, to conform to societal standards to co-exist in our modern day world. That when someone chooses to live an alternative lifestyle (and I'm not talking sexually) such as off the grid (homesteading) or retreating to a private property, it's kinda assumed that something is "wrong" with them. Oy, does this make more sense or does it just muddle it more? [8\|] "The more I know about people, the more I love my cat." - bumper sticker

LaTigresse -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 1:09:55 PM)
I don't think a preference for alone time is a reason for therapy. But then again I am one of "those" people. I don't fear people, I don't have any sort of panic attacks about being around people. In fact I can do quite well with the whole socializing thing. It is just not my first choice as a way to spend my precious free time. Pure and simple, I am an unsociable bitch at times.

sirsholly -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 1:10:41 PM)
Rain...i am not sure i am following you here. If he did not want to change he would not be sitting in a therapists office...and this is said under the assumption that he was there on his own as opposed to a court order. My issue with the rude, childish behavior the OP was bragging about (and dropped him to a ZERO level of respect in my eyes) was a personal attack on a professional that was doing her job. And btw OP...if you were there to fulfill a court order...oh dude...can she SLAM your ass!!!!!!!!

sirsholly -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 1:14:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Pure and simple, I am an unsociable bitch at times. we all are, LaT... It is human nature that we isolate even though so many try to deny it. Think of what i dub "wounded animal syndrome". An animal that is wounded will isolate. Our wounds, either physical or emotional cause the same reaction. And a "wound" can be something as simple as feeling overwhelmed, needing down time, etc.

LadyRainfire -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 1:15:01 PM)
[sm=sigh.gif] That's probably why I shouldn't try to post something semi-serious the day after a migraine and stick to smart-ass wisecracks and harassing you..... Lemme see if I can clear up the post and make it a little clearer.

sirsholly -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 1:16:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyRainfire stick to smart-ass wisecracks and harassing you... oh the JOY of it all[8\|]

wandersalone -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 1:26:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyRainfire [8\|] Ok, while I don't think that what jlf said to the therapist was right, I have a question that sort of relates to the OP. If someone is living quietly by themselves, minding their own business and keeping to themselves, knowing they don't really like people, why do we expect them to get therapy and change? To "make happy" and conform to society's expectations? I'm not talking about the psycho killer who goes postal at the mall eventually, or the cult holed up with more arms and ammo than the local national guard that thinks everyone is out to get them but that quiet person 20 miles out of town that prefers their solitude and animals, is unfailingly polite and quiet when they do come into town, that type. I don't mind admitting that I'd rather spend time quietly at home with Lumus than go out to a club or bar. I also have very few close friends, though I know quite a few people. It's just the way I am. (Don't snicker too loud, holly, I can hear you from here!) So why do we think that people need to change if they don't like people? Unless they're a danger or a threat? Then I could understand.... Ideas? Thoughts? "The more I know about people, the more I love my cat." - bumper sticker In the example you gave Rain I would question who referred the person to therapy and why. My first session is always focussed on finding out why the person chose this moment to come and see me and if they saw a doctor or if someone else told them they had to attend. If a person feels that they are content in the life they are leading, they are not breaking the law, they are not caught up in any internal struggles about themselves and that they really don't seem to know why they came except that A, B or C suggested to them to come along I generally give them basic info about different support services available eg. free counselling lines, I might talk a little about communication styles and at the end of the session I would ask them if they feel there would be any benefit in coming back to see me . If the person says no I respect that decision. I'm not sure, does that answer your question at all? It is late here, I really should be sleeping.

NeedingMore220 -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 4:07:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyRainfire Edited for clarification (I hope.) That a person would seek help if needed (or wanted) to deal issues they may have. Or attend court-ordered therapy as required. However, as I've seen in the past personally, I've talked with one counselor who I went to deal with one issue and this therapist kept wanting to get off on other issues that she wanted to talk about. They weren't bugging me but she insisted that they just had to be and I needed to talk about them. She didn't like it when I kept saying that they weren't bugging me, that I had gotten over them. FWIW, I know what you mean LadyRainfire ... I've had a lot of issues in my life that I've been able to let go of. I certainly don't have them buried and undealt with- they're dealt with and gone, thank you very much. lol Yet I know if I were with a therpist she would tell me that I was burying my emotions because I didn't need to talk about them. But I know I'm fine with it... As for someone who wants to live alone without lots of people around ... more power to 'em. It's not my personal choice, but that doesn't make it wrong. I don't know where less social people are pressured to conform to societal standards- I'm not sure what you mean by that. But if someone wants to be anti-social, so be it. I hope that migraine is better now!

NeedingMore220 -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 4:09:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly we all are, LaT... It is human nature that we isolate even though so many try to deny it. Think of what i dub "wounded animal syndrome". An animal that is wounded will isolate. Our wounds, either physical or emotional cause the same reaction. And a "wound" can be something as simple as feeling overwhelmed, needing down time, etc. I always thought humans were social animals, mostly needing others to thrive, though to various degrees. Though down-time and quiet time is definitely healing at times.

jlf1961 -> RE: For those members who just love to rattle chains. (7/26/2008 4:14:42 PM)
For one thing, I have been seeing this particular therapist for three years, during which time she has constantly worn clothing that revealled that she was a) braless, b) and the fact that the cold temps in her office kept her nipples as hard as the erasers on first grade pencils. She has constantly been at me to mend the fences with my father, which I have tried, and after the number of times I told her that I had attempted to contact my father (even bringing in the phone bill to prove I had called) she still hounded me, and it was my father who wasnt responding. After requesting a number of times for a different therapist to no avail, I was really quit irratated. As far as cancelling the appointment or just not going, that is out of the question, it is a condition of my release from a mental ward after a very bad suicidal breakdown. It has been her habit every time she considered me to be on the verge of another depressive episode to up the antidepressant dosage as well as the mood stabilizer. I personally thought that seeing a therapist when bipolar was to learn to control or spot a trigger for an episode and deal with it accordingly without more drugs. I would rather be LESS dependent on medication, especially when the ones that I can tolerate has a bad habit of causing weight gain, impacting the liver, AND causing a rise in blood pressure, which for the first time in my life I am on blood pressure medication. Now, I could have been more diplomatic, I admit that. I also have grown quite tired of diplomacy when it wasnt working and decided to opt for a big rock. Besides, since when is it professional to wear clothes that are so thin you can see if she has tan lines, which she doesnt, or the color of her nipples, which are a redish pink, or the fact that she doesnt own a skirt that extends more than 4 inches below her butt cheeks. It would really be a hell of a lot easier to concentrate on a session without being distracted. I would much prefer a therapist in a lab coat, black rim glasses, and dressed in a manner that makes one think of a first grade school teacher.

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