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Is America better off than it was eight years ago?


yes
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no
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Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/26/2008 9:34:35 AM   
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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/26/2008 9:37:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		George Bush has managed to drop kick the country into the deep end of the ocean without a life vest.  I am stunned to see how bad off people are and the state of the economy, etc. with him heading the ship.  *sigh*

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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/26/2008 9:49:08 AM   
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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/26/2008 9:55:36 AM   
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he'll be gone in a few months to let the next president try to mop up his mess



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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/26/2008 3:33:02 PM   
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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/26/2008 3:45:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		DC that was before September the 11th; you'll be hard pressed to find anyone swapping the ignorant bliss the world was in then with the world we are in now. IMOSHO,INGAA

So significant that event it was almost like a different era that won't be seen again for a long time and all the financial doom and gloom is symptomatic of this less confident era we are now in. That and the housing bubble which was a product of more carefree optimism preceding the current pessimism.



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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/26/2008 8:32:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good point, Raechard, but I'm not sure we can pin everything on 9/11.

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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/26/2008 8:33:12 PM   
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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/26/2008 9:17:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		i don't think everything that's wrong with the country right now is one man's fault...nor did it come from one incident...i think that a lot of us have been complicit in the problems that we have developed...i know that i have lived beyond my means & have debt much higher than what i would like to have...back in the late 40's, my grandparents' home burnt to the ground & they wanted to rebuild...they had never bought anything on credit, paid cash for everything, including the property, which meant that they couldn't get a loan to rebuild...after that, my grandmother kept one store credit card which she used twice a year so that they would have a credit history...

today, there are so many who want to own what they cannot afford...along with manufacturing abandoning the country, this pretty makes our economy built like a house of cards......

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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/26/2008 11:46:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		a very lopsided vote... and i agree with lilsubl.. its not all GWB or 9/11's fault.. to many people forget/dont care that they do have to pay for the stuff they put on there credit cards and such... there is WAY to much debt in this country.

now im not saying GWB and 9/11 didnt hurt but come one.. u have to admit the country was sliding into a recession/an economic downturn before bush took office. all the businesses leaving and/or moving jobs to different (cheeper) countries dosent help either.. if there r no jobs no one has money.. so more peopld go into debt jsut to bu ythe stuff they do need.. all i can say is we need to reform/rethink the whole government economy thing.. all of it.

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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/27/2008 8:48:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		We got our first yes vote. I wish the voter had shared his or her thinking.

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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/27/2008 9:53:34 AM   
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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/27/2008 11:15:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only thing that is better is that the people of the United States learned on 9/11 that we are not immune to international terrorism on our side of the oceans.

However, every economist with a pet theory is blaming the world's economic problems on 9/11, and that is like blaming Greedy for the meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs.  While admittedly, Greedy has that kind of power, I really doubt she was around back then.

The United States has been led by a man with a single minded focus, and that is Bin Laden, and to that end he has spent trillions trying to locate the man.

The cost to the American people has been that the economy that once flourished in wartime is floundering.  We can no longer buy both butter and bullets, as the term goes.  As goes the American economy, so goes the World economy, thanks to the global market.

When the spending bubble bursts, Enron will look like a hiccup, and the savings and loan failures wont even be in the running to compare.

Health wise, the United States and the world are dealing with antibiotic resistant diseases that could very well turn into pandemics without warning.  At least 4 new strains of Plague have been discovered that can shake off the strongest antibiotics.

Then of course there is AIDS, SARS, Avian Flu, and a host of other viruses that would wipe out half the planet given a chance.

What it boils down to is that the American Dream has turned into an American Nightmare.  As a society we are spending money on things that we dont need, ignoring our own health in the process, and in the end, the world will pay the price.


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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/27/2008 2:05:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		bad things have always been with us.

We now see some of the damage Bill Clinton did by us joining the WTO- etc.

We seen an erosion of the constitution.

We have seen the dollar weakened.

I personally am better off now then 8 years ago- but I thank ME for that.

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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/27/2008 2:41:10 PM   
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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/28/2008 6:13:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, we're up to two yeses. I'm honestly surprised at how lopsided the vote is.

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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/28/2008 6:52:22 PM   
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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/28/2008 6:59:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really am. I skim the political threads fairly often, and CM seems to have a fair number of folks on both sides of the aisle. Given that, I'd have expected the vote to be closer.

Now, it could be that the poll isn't catching the eye of our political regulars because its in Random Stupidity instead of Off Topic.

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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/28/2008 7:15:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

I really am. I skim the political threads fairly often, and CM seems to have a fair number of folks on both sides of the aisle. Given that, I'd have expected the vote to be closer.

Now, it could be that the poll isn't catching the eye of our political regulars because its in Random Stupidity instead of Off Topic.


Perhaps a large number of people are avoiding the thread so far, because they can't bring themselves to vote either way? And who voted 'yes'?!!! I demand to know.

By the way, nice job on a succint yet effective poll, dc :-) .



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RE: Is America better off than it was eight years ago? - 7/28/2008 8:47:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		i say if ppl r gonna vote yes they really need to say y.. its annoying to not know why they think america is better off.. i wanna know damn it.

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