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MissSCD -> A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 7:52:05 AM)

Good Morning.  I was in a chat room a few minutes ago, and someone compared a driver to the legondaru Dale Earnhardt.  For those of you who are not aware of late Dale Earnhardt, beware that if you come down South, you may still see people flying the #3 flag.  His contribution to stock car racing is legondary.
If you ever mention that name down South in a negative manner, it could cause you some embarrasement.
I believe at one time he was on Forbes top 100 list and only made it to the seventh grade.
The man could drive a stock car.
Just some thoughts.
 
Regards, MissSCD




kdsub -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 7:58:29 AM)

How ironic his death was…How many times have you seen a stock car fly into the air…flip 10 times…degenerate…catch a fire…come to rest upside down…and the driver walk away… Then all he did was tap the wall and snapped his neck… hardly any damage to his car…at least in comparison.

Buch




MissSCD -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 8:17:20 AM)

I am a  huge Gordon fan.  When he hit that wall, I cried for two days.  Two days.  He was incredible.
 
Regards, MissSCD




slaveboyforyou -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 8:17:22 AM)

Right after he died, I mentioned how ridiculous it was to act like it's a tragedy.  The guy drove a car around in a circle at 190 mph; his death in a car accident was not a shocker.  I don't find anything about what he did to be heroic or admirable.  My criticism of him and the sport has never caused me any embarrassment, and I've lived in the South all my life.  By the way, there isn't anything "stock" about NASCAR.  It's not stock car racing, and it hasn't been for 40 years.  I could care less about Earnhardt, his son, or any other NASCAR driver. 




sirsholly -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 8:21:01 AM)

[8|]

your compassion is truely touching




slaveboyforyou -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 8:25:01 AM)

Um compassion for what?  He didn't die doing anything heroic or selfless.  It's not like he jumped on a grenade to save his buddies' lives.  He died driving around in a circle, and he was notoriously aggressive in the races.  As far as I'm concerned, he should have been nominated for a Darwin Award.  I save my compassion for people that deserve it. 




sirsholly -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 8:36:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I don't find anything about what he did to be heroic or admirable. 


you don't see anything admirable about him? Really?

-He did not complete high school but lived a richer life than many..richer in finances as well as in a personal life.
-He left a family that adored him...so much so that his son followed in his footsteps.
-His death was mourned nationwide because he was so respected.

I am not a NASCAR fan...but i am a HUGE fan of the human spirit. He had my respect.


And btw Slaveboy...cinicism at your level screams JEALOUSY




ETA...Too late Slaveboy...i quoted you before you edited it out...




slaveboyforyou -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 8:48:54 AM)

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you don't see anything admirable about him? Really?


Yeah really. 

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-He did not complete high school but lived a richer life than many..richer in finances as well as in a personal life. 


I can see your point here.  Dropping out of high school is really admirable, and usually does lead to wealth and a happy life.  [8|]

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He left a family that adored him...so much so that his son followed in his footsteps.
 

Yep and he'll probably follow him to the grave in a similar manner.  Hey then lots of guys will have a new sticker to put in their truck window, right next to the one of Calvin pissing on the Ford emblem.  [:D]

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His death was mourned nationwide because he was so respected. 


Hey no argument here.  The United States has a good sized population of sheeple that just love feeling sad all the time.  People love mass mourning and faux grief.  I'm sorry if I seem unmoved, but I have my own problems to worry about. 

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And btw Slaveboy...cinicism at your level screams JEALOUSY


Yeah you caught me.  My cynicism is nothing but masked jealousy.  I secretly yearn to die at an early age in a completely avoidable way.   

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ETA...Too late Slaveboy...i quoted you before you edited it out...   


I didn't edit anything out, I corrected a type-o. 




Evility -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 8:53:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
He died driving around in a circle, and he was notoriously aggressive in the races.


It's amazing DE Sr. didn't die sooner (and didn't take someone with him) considering his racing style. They did not call him The Intimidator for nothing. He earned that nickname. I always considered him somewhat of a black eye on the sport. Had he played football he'd have fit in perfectly with Madden's Raiders.






sirsholly -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 8:54:36 AM)

He died preforming his PASSION. Not a bad way to go in my opinion.

And btw...why did he drop out of high school at age 13? Yeah...i don't know either. Was it to take a job to help support his family? Dunno....
He made it anyway though..didn't he?  He lived his dream.

Now...Slaveboy...meet the IGNORE button...




purepleasure -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 9:05:16 AM)

All I'm going to say about this is that when it's my time to die, I hope it's while I'm doing something I love as much as Mr. Earnhardt Sr. did driving in NASCAR.

There are many other wonderful Southern traditions as well, lest we not forget about those.




bipolarber -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 9:05:25 AM)

People who die from masturbatory self strangulation also die from their passion...

NASCAR is a sport born from criminal activity: the 'shine runners of the prohibition era. It attracts some of the most disreputable examples of humanity you can find.  

How does the old sayin' go? As rare as hen's teeth? Here's something even more rare: go to a NASCAR event, and try to pick out the woman in the stands who DOESN'T have a black eye... Or the guy who isn't drunk on beer, and looks like some "townie" character from a Stephen King novel...

Thanks, but no thanks. You're welcome to your gasoline and testosterone powered bread and circuses.




daddysliloneds -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 9:07:01 AM)

oh for fucks sake!  i live in the south and another southern tradition seems to be being afraid of uttering anything negative about president bush,  the bandido's and things as silly as grits...

glad i've never been one to worry about what other people think and speak my piece anyways[:D]




bipolarber -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 9:10:59 AM)

Actually, when I die, I hope I go the only self respecting way a man like me can go... shot at age 90, by a jealous husband...  :)




OTKkindaGirl -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 9:18:52 AM)

personally, i loved hating DE.  the same way i love hating Gordon.  they are awesome drivers and i wont deny that.  yeah... jealousy that i can't do the same.  *smile*
i was in shock as i watched that terrible race.  racing for me hasn't been the same since.
i might not have liked DE but i sure did respect him and i do miss his driving.

i don't root against any drivers any more, i just hope they all survive.  and the one driver that i put a lot of stock into, turned out to be selfish and hateful towards his fans... that kind of blew it for me too.  at least DE loved his fans and appreciated his haters.  he is missed.

<hugs holly>  please don't ignore me!  *wink*    




hopelessfool -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 9:21:48 AM)

-shrugs- I agree with slave boy... He wasnt anything special, he was a guy that died in a car crash... Who died because his life was going 190 miles an hour around a circle... What part of that screams sanity? None of it. Hell driving 90 gives my car the feeling like its not able to handle this..(a 2005 not some junker) I couldnt think about adding 100 miles to that.

Sure he dropped out of highschool and made it big, my uncle dropped out of highschool to... and makes at most 10 buck an hour because of no education...

My family adores me, It doesnt mean they are going to follow me blindly with out thinking of the stupidity of his actions. If I was doing something like nasacar driving and my son or daughter wanted "follow" in my footsteeps Id smack them upside the head and send them off to a safer ocupation.

His death was mourned nation wide? Really, when exactly did he die? because I dont remember anyone in the area or online that went boo hoo this persons dead. I dont remember anyone telling me Oh you missed a great man when so and so died.

-points at bear- what he said about loving people who break the law... -goes off to eat her mac and cheese and read the sunday paper-




julietsierra -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 9:26:24 AM)

Oh my gosh! So much angst over a man who chose a sport, excelled in that sport and died while in the performance of that sport?

C'mon!

Yes he did well with his life. Yes he had a son who loved him enough to "go into the family business." Yes, he earned a name for himself.

I'd be willing to bet though that his son loved him no more or less than someone else's son who followed dear old dad into the plumbing business or anyone else whose business marquee says Such and such and son. So... to me, no special accolades were deserving there. 

And I'd be willing to bet that there are more high school drop outs in the world who have made a name for themselves - perhaps not nationally, but most assuredly, they are well respected within their respective local communities. And since I am rather unimpressed with the importance of national recognition - except perhaps in terms of those who contribute to the betterment of society in general - that highlight of him as someone worth some overabundance of praise isn't warranted either.

And yes yes, he did well for himself. However, I'm much more impressed by men like my uncle - nameless as far as the world is concerned, but possessed less than a high school education, worked on the line at general motors and eventually bought a farm because he had two daughters and believed that "every little girl should have a pony." When he died, he was well known in his community. On top of the GM job, and in keeping with the "every little girl deserves a pony" idea of his, he'd become the best pony cart maker in his county. When he died, they transported his body to the cemetary in one of his pony carts, with his favorite ponies, Molly and Dolly pulling the cart. On the way home from the cemetary, his daughter, her daughter and that daughter's daughter, along with the rest of the grandchildren rode the cart back. With less than a high school education, he'd created a legacy in his family that lives on today, and I don't see y'all proclaiming him some sort of minor god on a pedestal. He was a simple man with a simple dream that he was able to fulfill. I don't see him as anything less than Dale Earnheardt. And in fact, I tend to see him as more - cause he did all he did without corporate sponsorship and without television cameras, and without a fan base beyond those who knew the kind of man he was.

Look. Dale Earnheardt drove a car. He took what he did best and made a name for himself. That's cool. But it certainly isn't worth doing the whole angst and anger thing.

And  by the way, I lived in the south (ok, southwest - it was Texas, but still NASCAR country) for 16 years and was never tarred and feathered, ostracized from my community or treated with anything less than respect for not being a NASCAR fan. When the guys watched NASCAR that I was friends with and invited me over, I went - not for NASCAR, but for the opportunity to socialize with friends. When they teased me over NOT being a NASCAR fan, I laughed right long with them and along with their wives (who were also not NASCAR fans) shook our heads over the games of the boys as we brought them their drinks and kept the chip bowls filled.

Honestly, Dale Earnheardt was a guy. He drove cars. Those cars went in circles. He earned a lot of money for driving in circles. He died while driving in circles. Now what? And So what?

Please tell me what has improved in this life for him having lived his life (beyond of course, the quality of the tracks in which other men and women can make a living driving in circles.) Since I don't follow NASCAR, I can't claim to know much about what Dale Earnheardt did with his money beyond live in big houses and establish big trust funds for his children.

Please... tell me how he's improved this world? Please give me a reason to give him the accolades you think he's deserving of.

Oh... and I'd like to point out that just because my Aunt has practically a SHRINE to Elvis Presley in her house doesn't mean I'm a bad person if I prefer some other recording artist. I think that's the same issue at work here.

holly, you might want to get a bit tougher skin here - unless of course, you're one of his children in the first place...cause that's the only thing I can see that warrants the ignore button just because someone doesn't think as you do.

juliet





Aynne -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 9:27:36 AM)

Pretty much says it all.   

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

Um compassion for what?  He didn't die doing anything heroic or selfless.  It's not like he jumped on a grenade to save his buddies' lives.  He died driving around in a circle, and he was notoriously aggressive in the races.  As far as I'm concerned, he should have been nominated for a Darwin Award.  I save my compassion for people that deserve it. 




slvemike4u -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 9:28:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

People who die from masturbatory self strangulation also die from their passion...

NASCAR is a sport born from criminal activity: the 'shine runners of the prohibition era. It attracts some of the most disreputable examples of humanity you can find.  

How does the old sayin' go? As rare as hen's teeth? Here's something even more rare: go to a NASCAR event, and try to pick out the woman in the stands who DOESN'T have a black eye... Or the guy who isn't drunk on beer, and looks like some "townie" character from a Stephen King novel...

Thanks, but no thanks. You're welcome to your gasoline and testosterone powered bread and circuses.
First a disclaimer I have never liked Nascar and will never spend my time watching race cars speeding around an oval.....But all the same this is a rather wide brush you are painting with here.As a recent transplant to the south,I for one have met many a Nascar fan that would not fit into your rather narrow minded viewpoint.




Aynne -> RE: A Southern Tradition! (7/27/2008 9:30:44 AM)

My favorite Nascar game is "try to find the non-white republican" in the stands...[8|]
Sorry Mike, i still love ya tho [:D]


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

People who die from masturbatory self strangulation also die from their passion...

NASCAR is a sport born from criminal activity: the 'shine runners of the prohibition era. It attracts some of the most disreputable examples of humanity you can find.  

How does the old sayin' go? As rare as hen's teeth? Here's something even more rare: go to a NASCAR event, and try to pick out the woman in the stands who DOESN'T have a black eye... Or the guy who isn't drunk on beer, and looks like some "townie" character from a Stephen King novel...

Thanks, but no thanks. You're welcome to your gasoline and testosterone powered bread and circuses.
First a disclaimer I have never liked Nascar and will never spend my time watching race cars speeding around an oval.....But all the same this is a rather wide brush you are painting with here.As a recent transplant to the south,I for one have met many a Nascar fan that would not fit into your rather narrow minded viewpoint.




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