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How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 2:51:19 PM   
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I was curious how some of the Pro-Dommes on this site got started.  I'm sure there is information online somewhere but I haven't seen any (and I've been looking!) and I was wondering what are some safe ways to begin working as a Professional Domme?  What are some tips or advice you would give to someone?  Do you have any links or some warnings to impart?

This isn't something that I necessarily want to start today but this is a job that I have been seriously considering.  If you aren't comfortable leaving a message in this post, I would greatly appreciate it if you left me a message on collarme.


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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 2:55:07 PM   
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For those of you who have experience, it would be appreciated if you -would- post here. There are a few other folks I know of who are interested in this, but have no idea how to get started or how to manage a business of this type.

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 3:05:16 PM   
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The biggest bit of advice I can give is for you to look at and memorize your state's laws and statutes and follow them to the letter.

Get involved in your local community at munches, PET meetings, events, and/or dungeons-- put the word out that you are going Pro.  Word of such travels quickly and if you prove to be competent and especially if you specialize in a particular area, you will have more clients than you can handle.

Be safe and best of luck!  I *retired* but still have a few special clients that I've had for many years that I will see.... and occasionally take a new one if I desire to.

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 3:15:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

For those of you who have experience, it would be appreciated if you -would- post here. There are a few other folks I know of who are interested in this, but have no idea how to get started or how to manage a business of this type.

Calla Firestorm



From a business sense, it is much like opening a bar.

Get a reasonable figure for static costs (the dungeon, the furniture, the toys) and dynamic costs (cleaning agents, disposable play things [not the clients =D]). In a bar it's the same, space and furniture, with dynamic costs such as booze.

Safely double your expectations. Opening a business is always more pricy than you expect. If you want it to look professional, it will cost. Sure, you could have it look like an office that sells car insurance, or you can have diamond-plate steel walls and electric torches.

Even beforehand check with a lawyer in your area to ensure you're not violating any prostitution laws. You'll also need business insurance and a damned fine waiver. (Otherwise one single mark is proof positive of battery).

OR! You can try to find a position in an existing dungeon. The pay is less, the freedom is less, the places to work are far less, but the business work is also less. If being a pro-domme is anything like being a bartender who wants to open a bar, find someone you trust to run your business. You'll find you're quickly the madame (bookkeeper, secretary, and busy work) more than the mistress.

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 3:37:48 PM   
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I'm not a pro domme.  I'm *just* a lifestyle Domme.

My first suggestion to you would be know what the heck you're doing before you start charging people money to do it.


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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 3:40:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm not a pro domme.  I'm *just* a lifestyle Domme.

My first suggestion to you would be know what the heck you're doing before you start charging people money to do it.



lol-- so VERY important!!

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 3:45:06 PM   
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LOL, MamaDomme.  I figured you'd agree with that one.

How's the family?


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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 3:55:25 PM   
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Doing good LP-- the daughter is back in the States from her loooong visit to the UK and is getting to know the local scene somewhat in Salt Lake City.  Says it's a bustling BDSM community there.

Now I'm just still getting settled back in Tennessee... good to see old friends again.

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 3:56:07 PM   
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I'm curious about this too. 
 
There is one "dungeon" in my area that is run out of the Domme's home.  She's got a website and I've met her a couple of times.  I can safely say there's not a chance in hell I'd be willing to work at her dungeon.  I don't care how pretty her toys are...and they are.  There are a few other pros listed in the adult services section of the local alternative papers.  I "interviewed" (if you can call it that) with a guy who was trying to start up another dungeon several years ago.  Based on that experience, I'm pretty sure the Dommes listed in the paper are prostitutes rather than the sort of pros found here.
 
I hope some of the business women will post about their experiences.  I'm not sure the pro life is my cup of tea, but I find it fascinating.

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 5:20:33 PM   
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I agree with that completely! 

Me personally, I don't think I'm at a level where I would feel confident to play on a consistant basis with people who I don't know.  But I talk every encounter seriously and I do think I will be at that point in the future.  There is no rush, however.  For now, I'm enjoying the ride.







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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 5:30:44 PM   
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MamaDomme1,  thanks so much for answering.  I guess I have a few more questions for you.  When you knew you wanted to do this type of work, how did you start?  Did you meet with a lawyer?  Was there another Domme in your area who could get feedback from?  I'm already involved in the local community so that's a big plus.  What do you think about working out of your home verses renting a play place?

Thanks in advance for any insight you can lend.


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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 8:07:28 PM   
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Just say that you are. 

Seems to work. 

Have fun. 

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 9:19:55 PM   
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I have answered this thread so many times in the past, I don't want to type it all again!  Use that lovely search function and you can find at least half a dozen threads telling our various experiences.

The short answer:  it is NOT easy money.  It is NOT legal except in a very few areas of the USA.  (I can't speak for other countries)  There is a lot of work, investment of time and money, and much to learn before you should even attempt it.  If you are not in a major metropolitan area that can support a luxury service, I wouldn't bother.

Easy money = phone work.  You can do it privately, and there is no special gear required besides a good voice and an imagination.,

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 9:36:02 PM   
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You have Cmail- ;)

Although, I can say on this side of the fence, to not mind the snarky 'amg whore!' posts. They haven't quite shown their face in your thread yet, but they probably will.


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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 9:47:33 PM   
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I started out in a "house" but am now an independent.
My advice would be to decide what exactly you're looking to get out of a having this as a career. Are you looking to specialize in certain arenas? How much money do you have to make in order for it to be worthwhile? How much are you willing to invest (financially and psychologically?) What are your limits?

Working in a house (sort of like having an agency) is a good way to get over the initial stage fright that often accompanies playing with unfamiliar people. It's also a good way to meet others: networking is important. Most of the more difficult play will be taught to you by other dommes that you meet along the way. Houses make your appointments (which means you don't have to answer the phone/handle your marketing. It also means that you have less say over who you see, and they take at least 50% of your earnings. They will also probably want you to sit shift at the studio for several hours a day.)

Some people remain in-house for the entirety of their careers and that works for them. Personally, I prefer to have total control and run the show myself. Do whatever makes you feel most comfortable. If you decide to go on your own, get a separate phone line for business.

I would say this: don't expect to make gobs of money. When I first started, most of what I made went right back into the business: wardrobe, advertising, an extra phone line, tools, gear, etc. I make more now, but it's a continuing process: there are always more fun toys!

Also, don't expect that your dream submissives will line up just because you go pro. In my experience (this is the NYC market), the majority of your calls at the start will be from people who aren't really kinky, but use a few buzzwords to try to get sexual services. A different person calls me everyday to ask for an hour-long ass worship session. Or a pussy worship session. Personally, I think that's best left to escorts, who charge appropriately for those activities. My advice would be to keep your day job while you domme (at least until you become a big shot), so that you never feel as though you HAVE to cater to those guys. I've seen more than one girl have to do something she didn't want to do just to make rent: not cool.

Definitely know the laws in your area. Also know the general climate of the sex industry i your area: some cities have laws on the books but rarely enforce them. Others are fanatical and one can be arrested for any little thing. The climate isn't always static.

If you answer your own phone, screen your clients. Many cities have domme blacklists (again, this is where meeting with other ladies comes in handy.) You can also ask that clients provide referrals from other ladies.

The rest is just being a normal kinky person: go to workshops and parties, hone your craft, etc.

Have fun! This is a chance to get paid to do what you love, while improving at it.

If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me.

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 9:50:33 PM   
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YES! The blacklist is very helpful, especially for someone who is new.  The creepers and fuckups will go after the newbies.


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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/27/2008 9:55:50 PM   
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I might take you up on that offer to answer more questions.  Everyone has been really helpful so far but I'm sure I'll think of something else to ask.

Thanks again.


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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/28/2008 3:04:16 PM   
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We have plenty of answers to share!!  Ask anything you like, but do the searching, there are others who aren't on the boards anymore who have lots of good advice.

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/28/2008 4:19:27 PM   
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I've heard a great deal about "Find out what your local laws are" but very little about how to find that information.  I have set my favorite boy the task of searching the internet to see if there is a site that lists the legal definitions for Prostitution and Sexual Contact for our state.  If he doesn't come up with an answer, I may just break down and ask a friend of mine where I can find the information.  He used to work Vice Squad, so if anyone would know, my cop friend would!

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RE: How to start as a Pro Domme/Mistress? - 7/28/2008 5:35:23 PM   
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The thing with laws is that they are open to interpretation.  What "prostitution" is defined as in the law, in the eyes of police officers, and in the courts, is not as easy to figure out.  If you are in an area of political game playing and "computer sex" is the new target, well guess what? 

In Michigan, actually having someone masturbate for you, whether you touch him or not, can be considered prosecutable under the prostititution laws.  I am only a CPA, not an attorney, so I cannot speak for other places, but I know that if I were entering the business again, I would consult with an attorney who specializes in "adult crime" and the like, and probably keep that person on retainer.  There is a whole world of legal rigmarole out there as far as protecting ourselves goes, and this is an area where PROFESSIONAL advice is essential, IMO. Most of us do not live in San Francisco or New York, or Los Angeles, where it is possible to start or join a house.  

I don't want to sound negative here, but my former associate had her life turned upside down by a police entrapment, and I keep that example in front of me all the time.  I loved being a pro dominant, and if I ever relocate to an area with a better economy, I will think about doing it again, but with a lawyer's number on my cell phone and a lot of research before I sign any leases.

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