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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Sorry Archer to me this is the same argument Thadius made,to wit : there are other method's so lets leave this one be....tell you what lets address this method and see if we can't cut down on this one method...and than we will address all those instances of alternative mayhem that some beleive will ensue

I will ask you the same question that I asked kittin,  If all legally owned guns were suddenly removed from the world, with no more being made ever, would gun violence end? 

After guns, do we go after cutlery, and then baseball bats, and the rocks, oh and lets not forget about all of the things that can be used to make explosives (including shrapnel)?  Prohibition on anything, only makes a monopoly on what is being banned more likely for criminals, look at how well outright bans on alcohol and drugs have worked.

I am in complete agreement with Archer on this, the laws on the books need to be enforced.  Hell, I am even in favor of adding more severe penalties for crimes commited with a firearm, manditory minimums of say 10 or 20 years + the time for whatever the crime was.

I am not informed enough to make any comments on how to deal with the mental issues of people that perform acts like this, so I will leave that to those that are.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
And Thadius I will answer that argument the same way I previously have...it's called attrition....the bad guys keep getting arrested ,the weapons confiscated and destroyed...available weapons see a increase in value(supply and demand)eventually two-bit gangster wannabes simple can't afford the fucking things...as far as cutlery and baseball bats,the next time someone goes into his former worksite and kills half a dozen people with a steak knife ...come back to me and we will figure that one out

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

This kind of shit seems to occur every couple of months or so. It sucks, but it's an obvious consequence of a liberal gun policy. *Shrug*. I'm getting jaded, not out of being cruel, but out of the lack of action over what, to me, would be an obvious start to a solution to this problem: at least, regulate and monitor gun ownership a little bit more. 

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
And Thadius I will answer that argument the same way I previously have...it's called attrition....the bad guys keep getting arrested ,the weapons confiscated and destroyed...available weapons see a increase in value(supply and demand)eventually two-bit gangster wannabes simple can't afford the fucking things...as far as cutlery and baseball bats,the next time someone goes into his former worksite and kills half a dozen people with a steak knife ...come back to me and we will figure that one out

Sounds kinda like the "War on Drugs" plan.

How'd that work out? [:)]

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Archer

(the shooter) targeted the congregation out of hatred for its support of liberal social policies.

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ORIGINAL: camille65

I don't see this as a gun issue nor does anyone that I've talked to about it today while running errands.

I see it as an economic issue, a rage issue, a homicidal asshole trying to suicide by cop because he is a f-ing coward issue.

Yes I can easily see him striding into that church with a knife if he hadn't had a gun.

*this message is not endorsed by the NRA*


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Oops I forgot to add that I see is as a social issue as well!

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ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome

"All those innocent civilians, who would never impose their ideas on anyone" -who, by the way, voted and continue to support Cheney and Rumsfeld.  What about Pat Robertson's call to "assassinate Hugo Chavez" the elected leader of Venezuela; would that constitute "imposing their ideas on anyone"?  What about the Iraqi civilians who were at any of those weddings that got shot up, were they trying to "impose their ideas on anyone"?  Please respond.

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ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome

"All those innocent civilians, who would never impose their ideas on anyone" -who, by the way, voted and continue to support Cheney and Rumsfeld.  What about Pat Robertson's call to "assassinate Hugo Chavez" the elected leader of Venezuela; would that constitute "imposing their ideas on anyone"?  What about the Iraqi civilians who were at any of those weddings that got shot up, were they trying to "impose their ideas on anyone"?  Please respond.

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ORIGINAL: camille65

Why talk only about guns then?
I see it as a much larger issue.

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The big difference being the number of potential victims if he was armed with a knife.....but this is par for the course ...gun incident...knee-jerk reaction...lets not talk about guns

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ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome

I'm not trying to offend anyone, but to remind everyone that we all ought to be equally offended by all the things going on around us.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Sorry Archer to me this is the same argument Thadius made,to wit : there are other method's so lets leave this one be....tell you what lets address this method and see if we can't cut down on this one method...and than we will address all those instances of alternative mayhem that some beleive will ensue

I will ask you the same question that I asked kittin,  If all legally owned guns were suddenly removed from the world, with no more being made ever, would gun violence end? 

After guns, do we go after cutlery, and then baseball bats, and the rocks, oh and lets not forget about all of the things that can be used to make explosives (including shrapnel)?  Prohibition on anything, only makes a monopoly on what is being banned more likely for criminals, look at how well outright bans on alcohol and drugs have worked.

I am in complete agreement with Archer on this, the laws on the books need to be enforced.  Hell, I am even in favor of adding more severe penalties for crimes commited with a firearm, manditory minimums of say 10 or 20 years + the time for whatever the crime was.

I am not informed enough to make any comments on how to deal with the mental issues of people that perform acts like this, so I will leave that to those that are.

And Thadius I will answer that argument the same way I previously have...it's called attrition....the bad guys keep getting arrested ,the weapons confiscated and destroyed...available weapons see a increase in value(supply and demand)eventually two-bit gangster wannabes simple can't afford the fucking things...as far as cutlery and baseball bats,the next time someone goes into his former worksite and kills half a dozen people with a steak knife ...come back to me and we will figure that one out

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Analyzing county level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5 and 2.3 percent for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between about $2 billion and $3 billion per year

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

So no one else seems to think that the sensationalism of these crimes and adnausium reporting is not at least contributing to and perpetuating these crimes? Almost all of these people are seeking attention beyond the act...and they are getting it.

Butch