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Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan KIA F... - 7/30/2008 6:20:30 PM

TheHeretic

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This isn't going to play real well for the bank

On the other hand, I don't want my banker required to cash large checks because the bearer has a sob-story.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 6:28:53 PM

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I feel for the family, I really do. But that's a tough call. Any con artist off the street could come in with a counterfeit check and a random obituary looking to score.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 6:33:18 PM

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Tough call for the Bank,policy is policy,but they will take a p.r. hit on this one...

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 6:48:43 PM

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Could not the death in combat by verified by the Navy?
And could not the check could be confirmed as being legitimate by contacting the issuing party (US Navy, DOD) or the other bank?

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 6:58:19 PM

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Yes and yes, Ven, if they were willing to take the time. The bank (along with other ones who want some free p.r.) will probably develop a new policy for such cases. Think about it though... Ever been in line at the grocery store behind someone who seems to be running a scam?

That Gloria Allred is their spokeshole doesn't help their case, in my opinion.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 7:04:36 PM

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I imagine it would take a bit of time to get a hold of someone in the Navy to verify a death, and to authenticate the check. In the bank's defense, I don't imagine their people have much experience in dealing with things like this. I remember all the Katrina scamsters and how easily they managed to dupe government officials, charities, banks, and average folks. When it comes to money in large amounts, it's just better to be safe rather than sorry.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 7:09:00 PM

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As usual there are at least two sides to everything. With the millions of scammers out there banks must be careful. The methodology of scammers is getting sophisticated with modern technology.

However banks are notorious for not wanting to give up cash. Walked into one with a rather sizable cashier's check, drawn on that branch of that bank. It took a call from the issuer of the check threatening to close a rather large account to get them to give it up.

So they want you to open an account and leave the money in there, during which time they make money off of your money and you don't. So they are scammers as well.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 7:21:36 PM

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I could see waiting for a check that size to clear, but a ten-day hold seems like a lot.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 7:24:51 PM

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ten-day holds like this are common on checks half that size or less where i bank, and i've had much smaller checks held at least that long. (ten business days, mind you, which rapidly turns into two weeks or so, if they don't decide to hold it longer.) but it shouldn't have taken more than an afternoon for them to verify the death and/or the check, if that, and i haven't yet been to a bank where they couldn't spare one person to make the appropriate phone calls.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 7:25:57 PM

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Do the Armed Forces issue a Death Certificate when a service person dies? Is there not an official letter sent to the family?

And how about having the bank pay the funeral home directly for the costs, so as to not cash the entire check at once.

I think a bank manager should have taken the family aside and dealt with the matter in a private boardroom or office so as to maintain their privacy and to not inconvenience other customers standing in line.

The bank definately needs a new policy to deal with such situations.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 7:51:25 PM

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the key details are missing from this article....

how many years was the family banking there?
was this a new account, or a well established one?

what was their banking history?
bounced checks, or solid account with required minimum balance?

maybe the bank manager was a total jerk.
then again maybe there was a reason why the branch refused to release any of the funds.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 7:54:04 PM

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Here is what I don't understand: isn't it the duty of the military to bury its own soldiers? Shouldn't they provide direct assistance to the family (even if they have to withold some of the funds afterwards, stingy bastards that they are?)

And what was this about the man dying last month? Jesus fucking Christ! How long do they wait 'till they release a body? And in what kind of a state is it by then?

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 8:10:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Here is what I don't understand: isn't it the duty of the military to bury its own soldiers? Shouldn't they provide direct assistance to the family (even if they have to withold some of the funds afterwards, stingy bastards that they are?)

And what was this about the man dying last month? Jesus fucking Christ! How long do they wait 'till they release a body? And in what kind of a state is it by then?

Kitten, this is one of those times when guests in our country shouldn't go believing and spouting every assumption that crosses their minds. Particularly when they often display their ignorance of anything connected with our military.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/30/2008 8:18:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: pissdoll

the key details are missing from this article....

how many years was the family banking there?
was this a new account, or a well established one?

what was their banking history?
bounced checks, or solid account with required minimum balance?

maybe the bank manager was a total jerk.
then again maybe there was a reason why the branch refused to release any of the funds.

I went with a quick print link in the OP. Here is a more detailed video report. Also a nice example of the media working the emotional spin...

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=6297756

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/31/2008 3:59:00 AM

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Well I have had a bank hold checks for a long as 10 days, once when I wrote a check from one account to another in the same bank, they held the check for 10 days, but withdrew the money from my account the first day.

When I sat down and talked to them about this, I mean why the hold, it was within the bank, all they could say was bank policy. I informed them of my policy of not being a fool and withdrew all my funds from said bank both personal and business. It was a large sum which they refused to release until I got my lawyer on the phone.

Banks are not the honest caring things their commericals make them out to be

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/31/2008 4:09:14 AM

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i have never heard of a desperate need for funds in which to bury a loved one. If you have life insurance does the funeral director have a check in hand before the burial process begins? Most funeral homes are paid after the fact.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/31/2008 4:18:44 AM

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ten-day holds like this are common on checks half that size or less where i bank, and i've had much smaller checks held at least that long. (ten business days, mind you, which rapidly turns into two weeks or so, if they don't decide to hold it longer.) but it shouldn't have taken more than an afternoon for them to verify the death and/or the check, if that, and i haven't yet been to a bank where they couldn't spare one person to make the appropriate phone calls.

11 business days is the maximum a bank can hold any such check, by law.
If the government checks were deposited, the bank would have to make part of each one available sooner... something like 5,000 of each check within a couple of days....
According to the bank, they offered to release the funds in that manner, but the details in the story make it sound as though the family wanted to get 100,000 dollars in cash immediately.

All the rest about death certificates and obituaries is a bit beside the point, banks verify checks the same way without regard to the purpose the money will be used for.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/31/2008 7:51:05 AM

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banks verify checks the same way without regard to the purpose the money will be used for.

exactly. their banking history doesn't matter, nor does the situation, really. although the policy isn't exactly set in stone - i mean, as i said before, they could have spared someone to make the necessary phone calls and have the check released earlier. but this is pretty standard policy for most banks ime.

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/31/2008 12:47:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Here is what I don't understand: isn't it the duty of the military to bury its own soldiers? Shouldn't they provide direct assistance to the family (even if they have to withold some of the funds afterwards, stingy bastards that they are?)

And what was this about the man dying last month? Jesus fucking Christ! How long do they wait 'till they release a body? And in what kind of a state is it by then?

Kitten, this is one of those times when guests in our country shouldn't go believing and spouting every assumption that crosses their minds. Particularly when they often display their ignorance of anything connected with our military.

Since when did Guests in this country need anyone's damm permission or a by your leave to speak there mind.How is her status, whatever the case it might be, disqualify the Lady from speaking her mind....whatever that opinion was...That response in its entirety was bullshit and not indicative of a Host in any way shape or form... as a matter of fact I thought she asked dammed fine questions.I for one am curious why the surviving members of a dead service man are having difficulties burying their loved one

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RE: Bank Refuses To Cash Gov't Checks For Afghanistan K... - 7/31/2008 2:33:00 PM

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Thank you, mike - it was my intention to ignore Heretic's rudeness, but it's very kind of you to make this point. Apparently, it would be absolutely fine if I were to tow the Republican party's line and waxed lyrical over all things military (note: I asked questions that are to do with the dead soldier's humanity and his right to be treated with dignity, in death, at least).

I've never understood this kind of thinking: when I'm in my countries of citizenship, I don't mind that foreigners express their opinions - in fact, I welcome it. It's all good: with spousal permission to express myself freely, I fully intend on making the most of the First Amendment :-).

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