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Confetti1 -> Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 3:42:11 AM)

May all Beings Know Peace.
(Hope this ok to post i don't want to get into trouble)
my 1st post and new to the lifestyle. Any words of wisdom concerning spiritual beliefs and being a sub? Am feeling guilt-not sure why. i suppose being a Buddhist sub is not different from any other religious sub?

please help me understand. i want to feel ok.

Thanks,
confetti




TysGalilah -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 4:44:00 AM)

Hi Confetti
 
guilty about what?
 
 




califsue -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 7:23:33 AM)

Welcome.
 
Personally for me I had trouble with understanding and accepting the things I wanted when I first started exploring. Part of that was due to some of my religious background, society's bias about how a woman should be/act and my concerns about family and how did one do this and still appear vanilla to family and work world. At the time, I was  exploring the lifestyle and had a vanilla lover and that is all he wanted to be nothing more. I went and talked to my minister at the church I was attending at the time. What I learned through that conversation with the minister was two things. Communication is a key...and as long as we had the communication, and that I enjoyed our time for what it was then it was all OKAY. There was no judgment from the minister and then I realized that my desires were okay. Only you can decide how to come to terms/peace with your spiritually and what you are wanting/looking for. There are many people involved who are religious/spiritual. Just because you like to be submissive doesn't mean you can't embrace your spirituality.
 
Best of luck on your journey and enjoy.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 8:25:46 AM)

Well the first thing about any spirituality is that you can't get it from anywhere else but yourself.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_759471/mpage_2/key_religion/tm.htm#761510
bdsm and christianity to me

http://www.collarchat.com/m_651144/mpage_1/key_christian/tm.htm#651149
"Christian" bdsm?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_101393/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#101393
bdsm lifestyle vs christianity/religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_112713/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#112713
bdsm spirituality???

http://www.collarchat.com/m_114995/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#114995
Christianity and ds bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_154410/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#154410
a sacred take on bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_168844/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#168844
bdsm and religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_176205/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#176205
sensuality & religion = what?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_193896/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#193896
religion and bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_275551/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#275551
christians everywhere!

http://www.collarchat.com/m_323932/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#323932
no...not the spiritual trip

http://www.collarchat.com/m_299050/mpage_1/key_faith%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#299050
power and spirit

http://www.collarchat.com/m_133611/mpage_1/key_spirituality%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#133611
bdsm and spirituality?




submittous -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 8:41:06 AM)

For what it is worth, we find basic Buddhism beliefs to fit well with bdsm... being in the moment, being able to observe ones own feelings and thoughts honestly, acceptance of sensation; pain, joy etc all just seem to enhance most SM activities. Meditation practice also seems to help us focus and live our bdsm better.

We are not religious Buddhists, rather secular fans of the philosophy and technique. We don't see any conflicts to be candid...

good luck...

Bill and Linda




Confetti1 -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 11:40:01 AM)

thank you all so much for your feedback. being new at this lifestyle, probably just needed some validation that all will be well.

being in the moment-can't wait!

peace,
confetti




Prinsexx -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 2:28:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Confetti1

May all Beings Know Peace.
(Hope this ok to post i don't want to get into trouble)
my 1st post and new to the lifestyle. Any words of wisdom concerning spiritual beliefs and being a sub? Am feeling guilt-not sure why. i suppose being a Buddhist sub is not different from any other religious sub?

please help me understand. i want to feel ok.

Thanks,
confetti

I was ‘baptised’ as a Buddhist in 1984 but had been practicing meditation aand reading about it as long as i can remember finding information. Buddhism is what most informs me and supports me on my life’s journey and as a slave….. 

Sky Dancer; introductions to Femnist Buddhism http://loudzen.com/skydancer/ 

Sky Dancer
The Life and Songs of the Lady Yeshe Tsogyel
http://www.keithdowman.net/books/sd.htm  

Sunyata (Emptiness) http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/bodhidharma/
sunyata.html  

Tantra

http://www.newfrontier.com/nepal/whatis.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/index.htm  

oh and here's a Master (even though it's always on my forum postings):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbE5HtqU7us&feature=
related
     




stella41b -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 3:41:19 PM)

Okay, I'll come in here..

I first took up the Path in 1984 to an Indian Master who practised Theravada Buddhism.. I went to him as a 17 year old eager for knowledge and he sent me away for three months to learn.. I returned and I was set on the path which continues right up until today.

Starting from common ground we have the five Buddhist precepts:

1. do not destroy or harm living things.
2. do not take what is not given or offered
3. sexual misconduct
4. falseness in speech, thought and action
5. taking anything which causes intoxication.

Observation of the above helps to cultivate such qualities as compassion, generosity and non-attachment, contentment, truthfulness, mindfulness and mental clarity. These are not commandments, we do not fear punishment from a deity, but these are things for our own benefit and the benefit of all other living beings.

I'm assuming that the OP may be concerned primarily with the third precept - sexual misconduct. This third precept, as I understand it can be taken to mean 'I undertake the principle of training not to go the wrong way for the sake of sexual pleasure.' From the Buddha's discourses in the Pali Canon (among others) we have the criteria for making ethical judgments about our behaviour:

- we should consider the consequences of our actions, their effects on ourselves and others
- we should consider how we would feel if others did the same thing to us.
- we should consider whether the behaviour is instrumental to our goal of Nirvana.

However if you care to stop and consider the basic and most fundamental principles of D/s and BDSM, would they not indeed be the same or similar principles?

We could go further.. Buddhist commentators have usually construed sexual misconduct to include rape, sexual harassment, molestation of minors, and unfaithfulness to one's partner, and again indeed we find such things also to be unacceptable in the realm of WIITWD. This third precept isn't a blanket prohibition, nor a simplistic depiction of some behaviours being 'right' whilst other behaviours are 'wrong'.

In fact Buddhist ethics have been described as utilitarian, in that they are concerned less with 'good' and 'evil' and more with whether an action is 'skilful', i.e. conducive to a good end in relation to the criteria mentioned above and whether it is motivated by good intentions (based upon generosity, love and understanding).

As far as I'm aware none of the Buddha's sayings in the Pali Canon include any explicit reference to any sort of sexual morality, there is no reference made to sexual orientation, no greater value placed on procreation and I would assume that Buddha did not consider such matters relevant to his message. However this doesn't on the other hand exhort us to a life of the hedonistic pursuit of pleasure, sexual or otherwise. While the Buddha didn't deny the existence of enjoyment in this world, he pointed out that all worldly pleasure is bound up with suffering, and that enslavement to our cravings will keep us spinning in some sort of vortex of disappointment and satiation. The Buddhist's objective is not to eliminate sensual pleasures but to see them as they really are through the systematic practice of mindfulness.

Therefore I welcome you to this new area of life relating to kink, BDSM, D/s and S/M and would suggest that the basic principles found within 'the lifestyle' do not differ so much from, and in fact neatly dovetail, what we regard to be Buddhist philosophy, thinking and principles.




Prinsexx -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 4:13:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Well the first thing about any spirituality is that you can't get it from anywhere else but yourself.


sorry? did i hear you right?

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening101/noself.html  

~One of the first stumbling blocks that Westerners often encounter when they learn about Buddhism is the teaching on Anatta, often translated as no-self.~

but no matter........




Prinsexx -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 4:15:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b

Okay, I'll come in here..

I first took up the Path in 1984

same vintage as me....xx a good harvest




Confetti1 -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 9:00:32 PM)

thanks so much for your words. i suppose i was reading too much into sexual misconduct. i am not causing harm to anyone. with these words i breathe in and breathe out.

peace,
confetti




MasterZen22 -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/1/2008 9:42:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: califsue

Welcome.

Personally for me I had trouble with understanding and accepting the things I wanted when I first started exploring. Part of that was due to some of my religious background, society's bias about how a woman should be/act and my concerns about family and how did one do this and still appear vanilla to family and work world. At the time, I was exploring the lifestyle and had a vanilla lover and that is all he wanted to be nothing more. I went and talked to my minister at the church I was attending at the time. What I learned through that conversation with the minister was two things. Communication is a key...and as long as we had the communication, and that I enjoyed our time for what it was then it was all OKAY. There was no judgment from the minister and then I realized that my desires were okay. Only you can decide how to come to terms/peace with your spiritually and what you are wanting/looking for. There are many people involved who are religious/spiritual. Just because you like to be submissive doesn't mean you can't embrace your spirituality.

Best of luck on your journey and enjoy.



Sue, you have an AMAZING minister!!!!!
-Zen




rookey -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/14/2008 12:21:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Confetti1

May all Beings Know Peace.
(Hope this ok to post i don't want to get into trouble)
my 1st post and new to the lifestyle. Any words of wisdom concerning spiritual beliefs and being a sub? Am feeling guilt-not sure why. i suppose being a Buddhist sub is not different from any other religious sub?

please help me understand. i want to feel ok.

Thanks,
confetti


Perhaps this link may assist:
 
http://www.buddhanet.net/winton_s.htm


This is a pretty good resource too;
 
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?




pettingdragons -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/15/2008 12:25:21 PM)

Greetings and welcome.....this slave is of pagan spirituality...Master is not..though he is patient with his slave and allows her time ...
LuckyAlbatross  has been nice enough to post some past threads that may help ...
taling with others, research all help in the understanding of who we are....
We are all different....this slave is a 24./7 high protocol slave who lives with her Master...she is also a pagan, a vet tech, a dog trainer, a foster of hybrid dogs, a cat person, a swimmer and many other things...its just one part, nowe granted an important part) of who she is.....help?

hugs





oceanwynds -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/15/2008 12:39:58 PM)

Greetings  Confetti
Submission has helped me in my spiritual growth. i have been able to reach a deeper level of my service to the Goddess, as well as Sir. i only have been discovering these past two years about being submissive and still am learning a lot. i am so grateful that i have found this path to help me grow.

Blessings,
oceanwynds




rook42 -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/15/2008 9:16:35 PM)

If you have any good reasons for why an activity is not good for you, then by all means, don't pursue that action. If you're unsure, there's no pain in going slow...

The problem humans have is that our gut tells us many different things, sometimes conflicting. If you're having deepseated guilt/uneasiness, it's important, justified or not. The fun part is trying to discern whether those feelings are intuition and principles, or conditioned responses/societal mores.

If you ease into it, you may find it's just discomfort trying to find another avenue to strike from. Stand on one leg, or step in a pile. Walkin slowly with an open nose is probably the best bet. (No comments about what that nose tells you about my rant, please)

My own view, your mileage may vary- I'm not a good saint and don't aspire to buddhahood.




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Buddhism, spirituality and sub life (8/16/2008 4:39:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Confetti1

thank you all so much for your feedback. being new at this lifestyle, probably just needed some validation that all will be well.


Who said all will be well? It may not be. If you want to anesthetize yourself to facts and it makes you feel better, go for it. Whatever works for you. 




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