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Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 5:17:17 PM   
Tine11


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I am new to the lifestyle adn taking it slow; however i have recently hit rock bottom. Emionally i am slowly on way back up. Can i stay true to my submissive nature, and find myself again? When should i move deeper into the lifestyle to figure out if it truely right for me? When having training at what point would it be better for me draw back so that i don't hurt the one training me? but Mostly i would like to know. As a individual will exploring this lifestyle help or hinder my ability to climbe out of emional shaft i have fallen into?

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 5:50:19 PM   
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I think taking it slow is a very good idea when you are in your current emotional state...You are very vulnerable at this time and it would be very easy for the Wrong person to get ahold of you and do more damge to you...Please Reach out to Other submissives Or Doms that you already know are trustworthy...I wish someone would have told me this before I started before I was emotioanlly ready...It is good that you are writing you feelings on here and reaching out :) Keep up the good self work :) You can feel free to write me anytime ...I have been where you are .

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 6:07:17 PM   
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Take the time to heal from whatever trauma put you in the state you are in. Whatever you have been through may change you, but if it generally does not competely change your nature. Good luck.

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 7:01:39 PM   
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Echoing the sentiments expressed already -
Please be good to yourself
take care of you
let this period of time be
"all about you"

i know this is very hard for many of us to do
there is something so deeply a part of us that calls
us to take care of others
and nurture and give
but
the fact is when we're hurting
we have to take care of ourselves
my Sir gently explained that we are like a bucket of sand
and everything we give to others and do for others removes
some of the sand from that bucket
until eventually the bucket is empty

and then we have nothing left to give
so
it is important to yourself
but also to those around you
who may depend on you
to take the time
GIVE yourself the gift
of replenishing your bucket of sand!

Follow you heart.

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 7:14:19 PM   
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Lousy emotional states, it's a rough place. I recently changed my profile because I can't deal with swifting through stuff. You do need to find ways to be kind to yourself. But that is easier said than done. When you feel lousy, you don't care about yourself. My answer....caramel lattes, 5 Minute Pity Parties. sigh. I could use a hug too.

Take care.

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 7:18:39 PM   
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Dear Tine:

How to answer this? First off, if your submissive nature is true, it will not change...it is your nature. I do not expect mine will ever change. It has been with me as long as I can remember and now that I am learning more and embracing my nature, I do not intend to ever let it slip away from me again. No matter where it leads me, it will always be there.

Now, the matter of your emotional state - I can only speak of my experience really and hope it's useful in some way to you. I, too have experienced emotional, I don't know what to call it b/c to simply call it depression would not give a complete picture and I'm not really interested in giving a complete picture on these boards. But, suffice to say, this year has been especially emotionally challenging for me. Exploring my submissiveness these past few months has in some ways been incredibly helpful, insightful, clarifying almost to the point of actually seeing a light bulb over my head and hearing a choir of angels singing...and it has also been very difficult at times, especially in dealing with and reconciling in my mind and heart that these fantasies I have had and continue to have, these feelings, these wants, desires and needs, though not at all considered normal by the larger, "vanilla" society, are totally normal...for me. But I always tell any prospective dom who happens my way and who manages to engage with me enough to get past the preliminaries, that I do not expect anyone, not even one who would be my Master, to be able to do for me or to be to me what I pay a professional to do and be. To me, it's just not fair to expect that someone who may have no psych training, education or background to be able to step in and do this type of job. And it could also prove detrimental to both.

As for training and when to "draw back?" That's something only you can answer, I think...only you know how much you can bear. A Master can challenge and push your limits, but he (she) cannot be inside your head. I don't even know so much if it's a question of when to draw back, (or perhaps I'm not entirely clear as to what you mean by that), as a question of how to stay connected with your Master/Trainer, keep communication open, and still maintain your stability and be able to take care of yourself. I'm not in a training situation, and have not been, so I can't talk about that specifically. I can only talk about the importance of staying connected in "play" situations, as in any relationship situation. Most important though, is staying connected with your "self." To be aware of your feelings, your wants and needs and to keep yourself safe.

Take care of you,

gina

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 7:26:57 PM   
Tine11


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tapestry

Echoing the sentiments expressed already -
Please be good to yourself
take care of you
let this period of time be
"all about you"

i know this is very hard for many of us to do
there is something so deeply a part of us that calls
us to take care of others
and nurture and give
but
the fact is when we're hurting
we have to take care of ourselves
my Sir gently explained that we are like a bucket of sand
and everything we give to others and do for others removes
some of the sand from that bucket
until eventually the bucket is empty

and then we have nothing left to give
so
it is important to yourself
but also to those around you
who may depend on you
to take the time
GIVE yourself the gift
of replenishing your bucket of sand!

Follow you heart.


Its be explaned to me as teh world is ufll of energy givers, adn enegy suckers. It all depends on personality. I know i am a enegy giver that woudl do almost anything of any of friends at any time of day, and yet i don't like inconvenceing them if they have things to be doing. Any sugestions on how i can still be who i am without always feeling every time i actually ask for help.

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 7:48:21 PM   
Tapestry


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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Lousy emotional states, it's a rough place. I recently changed my profile because I can't deal with swifting through stuff. You do need to find ways to be kind to yourself. But that is easier said than done. When you feel lousy, you don't care about yourself. My answer....caramel lattes, 5 Minute Pity Parties. sigh. I could use a hug too.

Take care.

Katy - here's a HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG for you
hope it helps
we all need that support and encouragement from others sometimes!



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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 7:51:31 PM   
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Tine that's a very good question and a good point. And I don't want you to think I'm blowing you off, but it's late here and I'm not really able to think clearly enough to give you a good answer. Allow me to think about it and sleep on it and I'll get back to you tomorrow.

I can very easily identify with what you ask though, since I have trouble asking for and accepting help from others as well.
So I will come back tomorrow with a reply of some type for you!

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 8:43:47 PM   
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Only you can know. Just take it slow and be reflective. Take baby steps when you feel ready for it. Allow yourself to step back if you feel you went too far.

This is a journey, not a destination.

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/17/2005 10:40:35 PM   
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quote:

Katy - here's a HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG for you
hope it helps


Thank you.


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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/19/2005 5:22:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

Katy - here's a HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG for you
hope it helps


Thank you.


Oh Katy, you're welcome dearest!



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"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but the moments that take our breath away."

www.tapestry41.blogspot.com

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/19/2005 6:00:57 AM   
Tapestry


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tine11

Its be explaned to me as teh world is ufll of energy givers, adn enegy suckers. It all depends on personality. I know i am a enegy giver that woudl do almost anything of any of friends at any time of day, and yet i don't like inconvenceing them if they have things to be doing. Any sugestions on how i can still be who i am without always feeling every time i actually ask for help.

That really is a hard one
I do have a few thoughts, which may or may not help
but I'll offer them none-the-less.
First of all,
I've been reminded that from time to time everyone has a need to give
And that sometimes, the only way they CAN give, is if we allow them to
So that if we deny someone the chance to give to us in some way
we've hurt them more than ourselves really.

It's actually selfish of us to not allow others to "do" for us,
or help us out with something.
Here we intend only to give to others
and not need anything from others
and not be a burden to others,
and all the while we're being selfish
and not allowing them to be who they need to be and receive the pleasure of giving as well.

Maybe it would help if you think in terms of sacrificing your own need (the need to not take or be a burden) in order to "give" to them the chance to serve you in a way which pleases them.

I've had to learn to practice this myself
I won't begin to tell you it's easy
but the fact is that when I had a flat tire, I couldn't loosen the lug nuts enough my self and HAD no choice but to allow someone else stronger than me to assist with the task. It would have been easier if I could have called Triple A, because as long as I'm paying someone it's not the same as having someone just give to me or do for me. But alas that was my only option, and I survived, and was blessed through the generosity of the man in question.

Basically, I don't think that allowing others to give to you and help you is in anyway being untrue to your nature.

Also, there are other ways to re-charge your batteries so to speak. Some nice alone time, reading a good book, watching a great movie, at home or even going out alone to the theater (i enjoy that), taking a nice walk, with or without a dog, just getting out into nature, enjoy the song of the birds, the scurrying of the squirrels, the sun as it plays off the trees and other foliage or water, whatever is around you.
I've also been recharged by attending book discussion groups at my library, going out for dinner with girlfriends (ladies only!), going with friends to hear a local band play at the bar, a big one for me was attending a Japanese Tea Ceremony. The experience was very beautiful. I am recharged when I spend time with Sir, of course, as what he gives me even when there's no play involved, is priceless. I am recharged when I have a "date" with my teenage son - a wonderful companion whom I adore and whom I have fun with. He's always able to make me laugh! Laughter always recharges and replenishes low stores of energy! I'm recharged by listening to great music, and letting the sounds and the lyrics transport me to another level. I am recharged by a nice hot bubble bath, surrounded by only candle-glow, perhaps a wine cooler, and more music to soothe.
So you see? There are many ways to give back to ourselves that don't always rely on taking from someone else. And yet, if there are others who need to give, what gives us the right to deny them?

I hope something I've shared helps. Can you accept a warm and comforting hug from someone who cares? And knows how hard this can be. Hugggggggggggggggggggg.

Now breathe.
ok?
Just breathe.
It's ok to not know, to not have all the answers.
None of us does.
You will get through this.



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"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but the moments that take our breath away."

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/19/2005 7:12:03 AM   
Tine11


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Thank You to everyone that replied. I now have a lot to think abot, and have learned much.

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The world is like a shinning diamond.
The way it gitters if you polish it right.
If the light should turn and leave you blinded.
Take the dream and give it one more try.

Soulburn, Masterplan

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/19/2005 5:42:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tapestry


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tine11

Its be explaned to me as teh world is ufll of energy givers, adn enegy suckers. It all depends on personality. I know i am a enegy giver that woudl do almost anything of any of friends at any time of day, and yet i don't like inconvenceing them if they have things to be doing. Any sugestions on how i can still be who i am without always feeling every time i actually ask for help.

That really is a hard one
I do have a few thoughts, which may or may not help
but I'll offer them none-the-less.
First of all,
I've been reminded that from time to time everyone has a need to give
And that sometimes, the only way they CAN give, is if we allow them to
So that if we deny someone the chance to give to us in some way
we've hurt them more than ourselves really.

It's actually selfish of us to not allow others to "do" for us,
or help us out with something.
Here we intend only to give to others
and not need anything from others
and not be a burden to others,
and all the while we're being selfish
and not allowing them to be who they need to be and receive the pleasure of giving as well.

Maybe it would help if you think in terms of sacrificing your own need (the need to not take or be a burden) in order to "give" to them the chance to serve you in a way which pleases them.

I've had to learn to practice this myself
I won't begin to tell you it's easy
but the fact is that when I had a flat tire, I couldn't loosen the lug nuts enough my self and HAD no choice but to allow someone else stronger than me to assist with the task. It would have been easier if I could have called Triple A, because as long as I'm paying someone it's not the same as having someone just give to me or do for me. But alas that was my only option, and I survived, and was blessed through the generosity of the man in question.

Basically, I don't think that allowing others to give to you and help you is in anyway being untrue to your nature.

Also, there are other ways to re-charge your batteries so to speak. Some nice alone time, reading a good book, watching a great movie, at home or even going out alone to the theater (i enjoy that), taking a nice walk, with or without a dog, just getting out into nature, enjoy the song of the birds, the scurrying of the squirrels, the sun as it plays off the trees and other foliage or water, whatever is around you.
I've also been recharged by attending book discussion groups at my library, going out for dinner with girlfriends (ladies only!), going with friends to hear a local band play at the bar, a big one for me was attending a Japanese Tea Ceremony. The experience was very beautiful. I am recharged when I spend time with Sir, of course, as what he gives me even when there's no play involved, is priceless. I am recharged when I have a "date" with my teenage son - a wonderful companion whom I adore and whom I have fun with. He's always able to make me laugh! Laughter always recharges and replenishes low stores of energy! I'm recharged by listening to great music, and letting the sounds and the lyrics transport me to another level. I am recharged by a nice hot bubble bath, surrounded by only candle-glow, perhaps a wine cooler, and more music to soothe.
So you see? There are many ways to give back to ourselves that don't always rely on taking from someone else. And yet, if there are others who need to give, what gives us the right to deny them?

I hope something I've shared helps. Can you accept a warm and comforting hug from someone who cares? And knows how hard this can be. Hugggggggggggggggggggg.

Now breathe.
ok?
Just breathe.
It's ok to not know, to not have all the answers.
None of us does.
You will get through this.




Tapestry your post really struck a chord with me. I am a giver, and have been all my life. My ex husband was a taker, and he sucked me dry emotionally. When I eventually left him I had to find myself, the me who had been put aside in favour of husband, children, parents, volunteer work - it has been hard but I am getting there.

I still have problems with doing stuff just for me. Master has health concerns and so my need to serve and give is not confined to just the bedroom. When He is ill, I tend to concentrate all my energies on Him and forget about myself, sometimes to the point of exhaustion. Then He will send me off to have a nap, or have a facial, or shopping. Or have a nice hot bath, read a book, watch a movie or TV show. Often I will fall asleep before the end of the movie!

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/20/2005 5:05:47 AM   
Tapestry


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rayne58
Tapestry your post really struck a chord with me. I am a giver, and have been all my life. My ex husband was a taker, and he sucked me dry emotionally. When I eventually left him I had to find myself, the me who had been put aside in favour of husband, children, parents, volunteer work - it has been hard but I am getting there.

I still have problems with doing stuff just for me. Master has health concerns and so my need to serve and give is not confined to just the bedroom. When He is ill, I tend to concentrate all my energies on Him and forget about myself, sometimes to the point of exhaustion. Then He will send me off to have a nap, or have a facial, or shopping. Or have a nice hot bath, read a book, watch a movie or TV show. Often I will fall asleep before the end of the movie!


Rayne! hugggggggggg...it sounds as if you are very fortunate to have such a caring Master! Though I'm sorry for his health concerns. More than the physical drain of caring for him you may need to watch the emotional drain of worry and fear and anxiety that his condition causes you. When a loved one is ill we are stressed as well, and it seems to me that for our Master to be ill is even worse, he is the one you depend upon for everything! I will hold you both in my thoughts, and hope that you can feel the positive energy I'm sending your way!

be well

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/20/2005 5:32:06 AM   
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you asked for a subs reply but allow a dom to say that a true and nurturous dom wont push you in a time of emotional stress talk to your dom let him know the things you are dealing with if he is in my opinion a true dom he will find a way to help you through this time without doing you further harm as far as concerning yourself with hurting your dom he controls that not you subs have certain power over theyre true doms but you can not hurt a dom unless he allows it

i hope these words help[ in some way



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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/20/2005 5:37:53 AM   
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quote:

When having training at what point would it be better for me draw back so that i don't hurt the one training me?


I would like to see you take a different approach, or at least consider one. Instead of worrying about hurting the one training you. Worry about your hurt, concern yourself with what you need. I think as subs/slaves, we spend a lot of time getting wrapped up in what the Dom/Master needs and we fail to consider that we have needs ourselves. To ignore these needs, to not address them will eventually lead to resentment.

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/21/2005 5:33:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SassyJackiePBG

I think taking it slow is a very good idea when you are in your current emotional state...You are very vulnerable at this time and it would be very easy for the Wrong person to get ahold of you and do more damge to you...Please Reach out to Other submissives Or Doms that you already know are trustworthy...I wish someone would have told me this before I started before I was emotioanlly ready...It is good that you are writing you feelings on here and reaching out :) Keep up the good self work :) You can feel free to write me anytime ...I have been where you are .


that is awesomely said .....i agree totally

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RE: Refinding of oneself - 11/21/2005 11:15:14 PM   
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Tine11<<<<<
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in 2003 "I" had an emotional breakdown.........and no one was there to give a rat's ass if i lived or died.....
i had-to pick myself up all by myself........and get myself going again.....
no so called support group thing going on. just looked in the mirror and said.....hey yo......shake it or break it......

so i got myself going and aint looked back.

i am..........sorry..........YOU are in-the-pit right now.

but it DOES get better..........

take care


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