meatcleaver
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Yeah, that's why they all joined NATO and allowed U.S. military bases in their countries. You can try all of this "America is evil" revisionist history all you want Meatcleaver. We came out of the Cold War triumphant, and the Soviets lost. The Soviets tried their hardest to keep it together. They ruthlessly invaded Czechoslovakia, put down the Polish solidarity movement, invaded Afghanistan, and aided movements all over the world. But they lost, and we made it happen.
Actually, I think the US occupied Germany along with the Soviets. Britain and France got sectors for political reasons. Atlee, the British Prime Minister in 1945 was powerless and fell into line with the US. Hey, he had to choose one side or the other, he thought the US was the best of the two. The US refused to withdraw from Germany in the same way the Soviets refused to withdraw from Germany so what's the difference?
The Soviets ruthlessly invaded Czechoslavakia, you mean like the US ruthlessly invaded Vietnam? The US put missiles in Turkey aimed at Moscow but that isn't aggressive but the Soviets wanting to put missiles in Cuba aimed at the American mainland in response is aggressive? The US aided geurilla groups all over the world too, over threw deomocratic governments in Iran and Chile. What is the difference? The Soviets had their ideology and the US had its ideology and millions died because of both, what is the difference? Far less people died in Czechoslovakia and Hungary at the hands of the Soviets than people died at the hands of the Americans in Vietnam, Loas and Cambodia. (Sorry, they don't count because they're not white.)
Gorbachov was a realist and decided he couldn't hold back change and it was in Russia's interest to go with the times. The rise of the European Economic Community also meant that the US couldn't act independently in Europe anymore. The fact remains, the Russian economy collapsed because Yeltsin stupidly took advice from rightwing American economists.
The arms race took its toll on the Soviets but Reagan had as much to do with its fall as the Pope, Margerat Thatcher and a whole bunch of others who claim to have been responsible for its fall. The fall of the USSR was inbuilt into its constitution and would have fallen eventually anyway. You only have to read the rightwing American commentator PJ O'Rourke for that analysis and he said that in the early 70s.
Oh, and lets not forget America's invasion of Iraq with lapdog Britain in tow. A mirror is always a good thing when it comes to foreign affairs. Just because Americans feel free in America doesn't mean the American government is so benevolent to people of other countries, it ain't.
< Message edited by meatcleaver -- 8/5/2008 12:04:49 PM >
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