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Covenants of care and protection - 11/18/2005 3:28:58 AM   
subaltern1


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Can someone tell me what exactly these are ?
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Covenants of Care and Protection - 11/18/2005 4:57:44 AM   
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Well, I expect you will get a multiplicity of responses, but my understanding and interpretation is that is somewhere between collaring and acquaintanceship.

For example, a Dom may extend a covenant of care and protection to a new sub or someone who is vulnerable. They provide a waching brief over the purpose, and act in the same way as a benevolent BDSM uncle I suppose. There are far looser ties, and there is sometimes a mentorship aspect to it.

I think I have a couple of these relationships. One to a woman of 18 who is vulnerable, adorable, but has been open to unscrupulous predation by Doms who have exploited her very badly. I counsel her (in a non-psychotherapeutic sense), advise her, and ensure that her progress and experience are positive. She lives in another country, but with time zones we have regular Q and A sessions and kind of theoretical training. I encourage her to have a range of play experiences in a relatively sheltered context.
However, if she wants to develop a relationship or a play connection with someone outside of a playparty, I am the filter. Usually I will agree readily because most people are genuine and OK, but she needs to be "managed" a little, and I need to protect and nurture her.

The second example is a much older woman who has returned to BSDM after a long time away and only a short stint. She got involved with a UK Dom who was an absolute asshole and deceived her very badly. She got herself involved in a very intense online relationship but came to me asking if I though the Dom she was involved with was acting appropriately. He was clearly not, and was clearly inexperienced and probably married and almost certainly a good groomer and liar.
I basically introduced her to a local scene where she could draw from a richer pool of knowledge from experiences Doms and Subs. I have less to do with her decision-making but she will consult me over various issues and I advise as best I can.
She is still finding her feet but has enjoyed a more solid platform. THose newest to BDSM communities are the most susceptible to predators.

In terms of your question, neither is formalised, and perhaps only the former is a good exampe of what I think you might mean.

Anyway, xxxx, I hope that helps.

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RE: Covenants of care and protection - 11/18/2005 5:47:13 AM   
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Romantic fluffy words that make someone seem all important and really won't change anything.

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RE: Covenants of care and protection - 11/18/2005 6:15:38 AM   
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neither does misdirected cynicism and unyielding dystopianism

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RE: Covenants of care and protection - 11/18/2005 6:39:28 AM   
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quote:

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neither does misdirected cynicism and unyielding dystopianism

My comment was neither misdirected nor cynical. It may have been slightly sardonic however.

Just because I'm not a fan of fluffy empty words (when not in bed with a lover at least) that hardly equates to unyielding dystopianism.

This little albatross never stops flying.

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RE: Covenants of care and protection - 11/18/2005 6:42:11 AM   
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Shoot! I had to break out my dictionary for ALL these words! hehe



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RE: Covenants of care and protection - 11/18/2005 6:49:33 AM   
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fair enough but I misinterpreted you too.

It came across like the statement of a hard bitch, but then his response was unnecessary too.



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RE: Covenants of care and protection - 11/18/2005 7:10:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jacques1000
neither does misdirected cynicism and unyielding dystopianism

My comment was neither misdirected nor cynical. It may have been slightly sardonic however.

Just because I'm not a fan of fluffy empty words (when not in bed with a lover at least) that hardly equates to unyielding dystopianism.

This little albatross never stops flying.


[grin] Nice return, hard and just over the net [applause]

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RE: Covenants of care and protection - 11/18/2005 7:20:22 AM   
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It came across like the statement of a hard bitch, but then his response was unnecessary too.

I can understand that. But I hope beyond that you saw the truth of it.

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RE: Covenants of care and protection - 11/18/2005 7:32:55 AM   
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I never implied it was either. I was simply stating my own belief.

(and since when are flying albatrosses little)

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RE: Covenants of care and protection - 11/18/2005 11:30:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subaltern1


Can someone tell me what exactly these are ?


Convenants of care and protection.... make them what you want.. but the fact is they are just empty words without the actual behaviors that would demonstrate the expectations of the convenant. Secondly, realistic expectations of the convenants are much more effective and fullfilling than unrealistec romantic thoughts of utlimate care and protection.


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RE: Covenants of care and protection - 11/19/2005 4:21:41 PM   
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greetings subalterns
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coverns of care and protections dont know but they have some media ...somewhere
i hope

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