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Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 4:05:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		On another forum that I participate on someone stated that a friend of theirs experiences subdrop that doesn't begin until a couple of weeks after play. It is apparently something that happens suddenly and is so profound that if they are driving they have to pull off the road. I have never heard of such a thing happening and from a biochemical viewpoint it just doesn't make any sense to me at all. While I can certainly understand that someone may have an emotional event that far out after play. I am of the understanding that actual subdrop is, at least in part, a physical response. I just don't know if it's possible to have an actual subdrop experience that far out. I was just wondering if anyone else has ever heard of or experienced this. I was also wondering if someone who has a really good understanding of biochemistry could explain how this might happen. I have studied a pretty fair amount about the subject myself but I don't recall ever reading anything that would explain why it would be delayed for weeks before onset.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 4:29:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Erin,

It sounds to me like a form of anxiety attack which may (or may not) be emotionally linked to playing. Without knowing the person we have no idea what inner emotions might be triggered, setting off a physiological response (the anxiety attack).

It sounds unusual but I suppose it is possible.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 4:37:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anxiety attack was the first thing that came to my mind also. But I certainly wouldn't classify an anxiety attack as a form of subdrop so I thought I must be way off.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 4:48:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		It may be easier for them to classify whatever is happening as subdrop because of their perceived stigma that surrounds whatever is happening.  Panik attack, depression, PTSD and many other mental events may have more of a stigma attached to them than subdrop.  It may be easier to handle subdrop because that is related to this really cool/fun thing that I did a couple weeks ago...

Just an idea from a silly girl who has been awake since 4:30 AM on a Saturday morning....  I have been looking forward to sleeping in all week and here I am wide awake and the rest of the house is asleep....

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 5:08:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kyra...you and me both kid. You would think that i would be asleep in the first quiet moments of the day....but nooo, i HAVE to blog (of all godawful things)...go figgur.

In answer to the question at hand, keeping in mind that every person responds differently to every stimuli, i still have to stand by the idea that this is NOT subdrop. In my limited opinion, i dont see how a body could drop so far out from the scene. Anxiety attack seems to be more likely. Mild, but more probable.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 6:23:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would not call that subdrop, though it does sound like a biochemical response of some kind.  I used to get those sensations before a major depression, where it would be *there* without warning.  I would recommend your friend look at her other symptoms and the events surrounding her attack.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 6:29:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pulling off the road days later?  I'm with the majority here ... 

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 7:05:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have always experienced it two to three days later, so while a couple weeks seems like an extraordinary amount of time, I do not think anyone can set a time limit on what someone else feels and when -- just from my own experience.

The drop and a panic attack are completely different for me -- vastly different, emotionally and physically.  There would never be any doubt in my mind which is which.

(This reminds of male doctor visits where you mention that one particular issue keeps occuring at a certain time of the month and he responds with, "Oh, it has nothing to do with that."  Then he hands you a list of 20 tests to get done while you mentally cross him off the Keeper list.)

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 8:19:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I would have to go with Kyra and the others- perhaps it's some other negative experience and it's just being associated with drop, or it's one of those things where you get upset and then start dragging up every little thing that's happened in the past six months to pile on?  I've been able to push drop for a week before when necessary, but it required work on my part and made it worse in the end. 

Either way, it's certainly something I'd work on improving over time- I don't want to have to worry about aftercare over a single scene weeks or months later.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 8:24:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think that it is at all like those doctor visits. 24 to 72 hours is the normal time frame for the onset of subdrop. I can not see the chemistry of the brain being affected 3 weeks after the event. I would have to say, along the lines of everyone else here, that it points to something else. Not to say it isn't biochemically related...just not biochemically related to subdrop. It sounds more to me like as has been mentioned...an anxiety attack or possibly a manic/depressive cycle change. Now one may attribute such to the play....but I'd like to see it explained if that is possible. I guess that now that I think of it, I haven't heard those who have mental illnesses say that the after effects of play can trigger such swings or problems in them. If that is the case, I can't imagine why they would choose to engage in such play.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 8:32:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		sounds like wishful thinking on the part of the party.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/9/2008 9:29:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mistoferin, I am bi-polar and I also have obsessive compulsive disorder. I have only experienced subdrop once, early on with my Master. It happened within 12 hours. Master and I both believe that the reason it happened then was that my body was cycling into a depressed state at the time. Since being with Master, I've only had that one cycle of depression, and we have been together for over a year now. Master likes to tease me about getting all loving after a session now. That to us isnt subdrop as I'm not depressed, but very happy. My OCD has also gotten much better too. Master noticed it before I did. I've not been on any medications for years because I didnt like the way I felt on them, all dopey. I'm of the mind with everyone else that it isnt subdrop, but something else going on. 

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/10/2008 7:57:26 PM   
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Kyra...you and me both kid. You would think that i would be asleep in the first quiet moments of the day....but nooo, i HAVE to blog (of all godawful things)...go figgur.


*g*  Just after I posted this, he came and found me and I went back to bed for some early morning sex.  Then the whole house was up and we were on the road.  We drove into Edmonton for a play party and had lots of fun. 

If all the mornings I was awake at 4:30 AM ended like that, I might become a morning person, lol.

Knight's Kyra 

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/10/2008 11:06:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I don't think that it is at all like those doctor visits. 24 to 72 hours is the normal time frame for the onset of subdrop. I can not see the chemistry of the brain being affected 3 weeks after the event. I would have to say, along the lines of everyone else here, that it points to something else. Not to say it isn't biochemically related...just not biochemically related to subdrop. It sounds more to me like as has been mentioned...an anxiety attack or possibly a manic/depressive cycle change. Now one may attribute such to the play....but I'd like to see it explained if that is possible. I guess that now that I think of it, I haven't heard those who have mental illnesses say that the after effects of play can trigger such swings or problems in them. If that is the case, I can't imagine why they would choose to engage in such play.


Coming at it from a biopych view, no it's most likely not subdrop. Processes in the brain are pretty rapid, neuronal activity pretty on-target, fight or flight and all that. IF she was taking some kind of reuptake inhibiting drug, or some kind of drug that blocks the docking of neurotransmitters, and then suddenly stopped taking it ... maybe it's something like drop, but more likely a side effect of ending the meds. Could be a hormone fluctuation. Could be anything, but doubtfully subdrop.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/11/2008 3:42:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having read that thread on said site i am calling BULLSHIT loud and clear.
 
The person who answered you with the three week delayed subdrop thing appeared to me to be pulling the " i am more experienced, older and smarter than you" card.
 
When you called them on it they came back with a, to me, very lame, "oh i'll check on it with the person who told me story".
 
If it happened at all it was some sort of panic attack. Subdrop is emotional but it is mainly chemical and simply does not happen after three weeks. 

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/11/2008 2:53:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I got back from my trip out to meet DV I dropped pretty hard the day I cam home, combination of usual drop plus jet lag. We had predicted that and had made sure I had people coming over to take me out and keep me busy (was in fact the day I met missturbation in person for the first time). I expected that to be it and next day was totally fine, missing Him, but fine.

Couple of weeks later one day I woke up and just dropped. Literally BAM as I was making my breakfast. IT was really horrible, I was tearful, fearful, and irrational. In fact it took me several days to admit to DV that it had happened. I felt so silly dropping so long after I was home.

Guess sometimes our hearts and minds are only ready to deal with something when they are ready. First day back I had a normal physical drop as my body evened itself out again. My psyche was obviously not ready to give it up for another couple of weeks.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/12/2008 3:36:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: softness

Couple of weeks later one day I woke up and just dropped. Literally BAM as I was making my breakfast. IT was really horrible, I was tearful, fearful, and irrational. In fact it took me several days to admit to DV that it had happened. I felt so silly dropping so long after I was home.


Was it time for your normal female cycle? Because that i have seen happen. Everything is under control, the hormones kick in and something from weeks or even months ago pop out.
 
But i am fairly sure the subbie who claimed drop after all that time was a male. And it was stated he claimed it was so bad he had to stop his car.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/12/2008 4:00:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hiya twice,
That poster did end up coming back saying that she had talked to him and that it wasn't a case of subdrop at all. Something to do with hypnosis and triggers is what she ended up attributing it to. Supposedly the guy is her mentor who has 48 years experience, so I'm not sure why he had originally told her it was subdrop. I don't know enough about hypnosis to say if such a thing is possible or not. I tried hypnosis years ago for help in dealing with chronic pain...but it only made me relaxed for a little bit while they were doing it...I didn't have any kind of lingering negative effects that popped up weeks later though.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/12/2008 10:06:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds more like withdrawals from the endorphin high instead of classic sub drop.

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RE: Very delayed subdrop? - 8/13/2008 5:09:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Hiya twice,
That poster did end up coming back saying that she had talked to him and that it wasn't a case of subdrop at all.


WEG.....i know i read the whole thread, i was just about ready to jump her butt for being so snarky with you when she came back and apologized.
 
 I just get the feeling it was one of those "i've been at this for 220 million years therefore i am smart and you are an idiot" type posts. Then it kinda backfired on the poster.

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