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LotusSong -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 8:40:03 PM)
Let's change some words around.. and see if it still fits... quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic In less than three weeks, barring some dramatic development, Senator McCain will take the podium in a packed football stadium, to accept the Republican nomination for President of the United States. It will be the most important speech he has ever given. He knocked it out of the park in '04, catapulting himself to this point. Can he do it again? The purpose of this speech will be very different from that one. Getting people's attention is not the same as unifying them. He's really good at the big puffs of air called oratory. That, and a giant blank canvas of "change," made him a star then. Now he has to unify the crowd by giving them a common vision of a common enemy. He has to start building a wave of support among the independents that won't crest until the October debates. This time, he has to define the obstacle. George Bush (the Second) isn't going to win him any more converts. So who, or what, is it going to be? Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil. Eric Hoffer, The True Believer. Johnny doesn't have to go that way. He might even squeek out a win just close enough to make his presidency a failure, instead of just his candidacy. I doubt that, though. This crop of Democrats are a lot better at winning the nailbiters, than the Republicans. Who will Johnny pick to be his devil? Or, if he ignores realpolitik, what means will he use to draw the 10% he needs into the fold, and keep them there? You see.. the same thing could be used to slam the other side.. and no one would be able to tell the difference. Rich.. we can always count on you to out-whine McCain :) I think you should be be the next Republican candidate. (That would keep the Democrats in the White House for another 4 years) You have what it takes.. insults, finger pointing and no solutions.

LotusSong -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 8:44:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy You insisting on calling Barak Obama "Barry" makes you look snarky and petty. ... psssssst.. cloudboy.. it's the Republican way....

celticlord2112 -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 8:50:12 PM)
quote: You have what it takes.. insults, finger pointing and no solutions. Sounds like Obama to me.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 9:01:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: Will Obama be able to sell a sensible Federal Fiscal Policy. That one's easy to answer: No--he doesn't have a sensible policy. All sorts of new spending and new taxes is a nonsensical policy. As opposed to cutting taxes while prosecuting two wars? And yet, strangely enough, the economy did ok until Pelosi and Reid took over Congress in 2006.

MistressNew -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 9:03:00 PM)
Hate, I don't get. Disdain and laughter, however, seem to come quickly.

Owner59 -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 9:05:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: You have what it takes.. insults, finger pointing and no solutions. Sounds like Obama to me. Examples of Obama doing these things?

celticlord2112 -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 9:09:35 PM)
quote: Disdain and laughter, however, seem to come quickly. That is only natural--what else but disdain and laughter can there be for Obama's cluelessness and pathetic pontifications on how he is the saint who will save America from itself?

celticlord2112 -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 9:21:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: You have what it takes.. insults, finger pointing and no solutions. Sounds like Obama to me. Examples of Obama doing these things? Reread his "A More Perfect Union" speech. Or do you approve of a candidate throwing his own grandmother under the bus? His comments about clinging to "guns and religion" which I've posted for you elsewhere. His snide remarks about Americans and their SUVs. Hell, pick any three of his speeches. Give Obama enough words and he'll talk down to everybody, while not having a single solid implementable idea of his own.

slvemike4u -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 9:37:39 PM)
We may be reading the same speeches,but obviously the interpretation is different!

TheHeretic -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 11:14:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy You insisting on calling Barak Obama "Barry" makes you look snarky and petty. If he wins the White House, I will refer to him with the same sort of respectful terminology the current occupant gets. Until then, Cloud, deal with it.

TheHeretic -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 11:29:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong Let's change some words around.. You should really bold the changes, Lotus, if you are going to take that approach. It's the classier thing to do. I'm sure that matters to your "twue-ist" sensibilities. And no, the comparison didn't hold. As for me being a candidate, thanks for the endorsement, but the Repubs don't much care for my positions on abortion rights, First Amendment issues, immigration, crime, or public spending priorities, to name a few. You're welcome to send a donation to my campaign, though.

TheHeretic -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 11:38:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Using/exploiting the fear and hate of commies,gays,liberals,immigrants,Muslims,etc. to unite, is a republican thing. Is this from the same source where you learned that Vietnam wasn't an issue in the '72 election? You really ought to delete that bookmark. These tactics are ubiquitous.

Owner59 -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/9/2008 11:49:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Using/exploiting the fear and hate of commies,gays,liberals,immigrants,Muslims,etc. to unite, is a republican thing. Is this from the same source where you learned that Vietnam wasn't an issue in the '72 election? You really ought to delete that bookmark. These tactics are ubiquitous. aww, that hurt...sorry bout that...But when didn`t the truth hurt? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ When and where did I say that? Did you bookmark it? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The man can`t stay on topic in his own thread.lol

Thadius -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/10/2008 12:19:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Using/exploiting the fear and hate of commies,gays,liberals,immigrants,Muslims,etc. to unite, is a republican thing. Is this from the same source where you learned that Vietnam wasn't an issue in the '72 election? You really ought to delete that bookmark. These tactics are ubiquitous. aww, that hurt...sorry bout that...But when didn`t the truth hurt? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ When and where did I say that? Did you bookmark it? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The man can`t stay on topic in his own thread.lol OF course you never said that... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2036709 quote: Obviously......over 40. We`ll learn ya..... Note,Obama says he`d rather have only 5 dollars and someone`s vote,rather than a bigger donation. It`ll be interesting to see if young folks sit this one out. There was no Iraq/Viet Nam thing, going on in '72'. We just imagine you saying stuff, as you are the pillar of accurate statements. --------------- Anyways, to the topic of the thread. I wouldn't call it hate, although with some of the extreme elements of both parties it might be classified that way. The groundwork has already been laid for how he is going to play this out. Just take a look at the newest ads, claiming that McCain is just a photocopy of the current administration. It is an obvious play on the dislike for Bush. Both sides are going to compare and contrast each other to the most disliked elements of the other side. Nothing new there. It just amazes me to see folks try to pretend that one side has a patent on the dirty play book.

Politesub53 -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/10/2008 2:34:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 This may be your opinion but i think its total nonsense. I dont really know what else to say, its as an absurd position on people and politics as Owners seems to be. What else to say? Say what makes it nonsensical. If you believe love and hate are not opposite sides of the same coin, explain how this is not so. If you believe hate is not the necessary adjunct of unity say how unity can occur without hatred. What else to say? Say the logic that leads to your conclusion of "nonsense". That is what you should say. Can you say? Show me how love and hatred are two sides of the same coin ? Show me how hatred is a necessary adjunt of unity ? Both statements are nonsense and here is why. You dont need to hate someone, just to show love in your life. Do you really hate any friends or family that vote democrat ? ....Really ? My opinion is that hatred and love are opposing emotions, but that both can and do exist, without the other being present or indeed necessary. Do you really need to hate, to be unified ? Can you not be unified as a family or group, without hating others ? Do you need to hate outsiders, without showing tolerance because they may be different ? If so, thats sad. You speak of living without government, yet i dont think mankind has ever existed, or could, without the concept of a unified group. Initially this was done out of a need to co-operate, and for any group to live in harmony there needs to be rules or at least protocols. Why did hunter gatherers first start living in groups ? Simply to survive, it was easier to work and hunt as a unit, hatred didnt enter the equasion.

cloudboy -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/10/2008 7:26:59 AM)
Don't worry about me, your use of it is a reflection of you.

Owner59 -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/10/2008 8:36:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thadius quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Using/exploiting the fear and hate of commies,gays,liberals,immigrants,Muslims,etc. to unite, is a republican thing. Is this from the same source where you learned that Vietnam wasn't an issue in the '72 election? You really ought to delete that bookmark. These tactics are ubiquitous. aww, that hurt...sorry bout that...But when didn`t the truth hurt? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ When and where did I say that? Did you bookmark it? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The man can`t stay on topic in his own thread.lol OF course you never said that... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2036709 quote: Obviously......over 40. We`ll learn ya..... Note,Obama says he`d rather have only 5 dollars and someone`s vote,rather than a bigger donation. It`ll be interesting to see if young folks sit this one out. There was no Iraq/Viet Nam thing, going on in '72'. We just imagine you saying stuff, as you are the pillar of accurate statements. --------------- Anyways, to the topic of the thread. I wouldn't call it hate, although with some of the extreme elements of both parties it might be classified that way. The groundwork has already been laid for how he is going to play this out. Just take a look at the newest ads, claiming that McCain is just a photocopy of the current administration. It is an obvious play on the dislike for Bush. Both sides are going to compare and contrast each other to the most disliked elements of the other side. Nothing new there. It just amazes me to see folks try to pretend that one side has a patent on the dirty play book. I meant that folks weren`t being sent there and that the draft wasn`t an issue as such.I should have been clearer. We were winding down and withdrawing troops in 72,not talking about a never ending escalation and sending more troops there. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

TheHeretic -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/10/2008 9:01:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u I reject the tittle of the thread or the politics of hate.The message of Obama's campaign has been change and that message alone, change from the failed policy's of the last 7 1/2 years is an appealing enough message, without the need for a bogeyman above and beyond the policy's of the Republican party...that is message enough Reject away, Mike. If you prefer to operate with blinders on your political outlook and strategy, feel free to keep right on losing. The premise is not mine, or anything like new. I even provided a source in the OP to the most readable book on the subject ever written (IMO). Blank "change" is not enough, in this case. Not with the hurdles Barry has to get over. So what method do you figure Obama will go with to meet the goals of his acceptance speech? How is he going to bring the undecided voters in front of their televisions to his side, and keep them there until November?

TheHeretic -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/10/2008 9:21:32 AM)
I would welcome your thoughts on the bigger picture, Celt, so let me rephrase the question from the position you have taken. What negative force will Barry personify in McCain, to draw the lines of good/bad? I don't think the same old crapola is going to be effective.

TheHeretic -> RE: Who is Barry going to hate? (8/10/2008 9:42:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I meant that folks weren`t being sent there and that the draft wasn`t an issue as such.I should have been clearer. The draft didn't end until 1973, O59. Care to clarify your clarification?

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