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Aneirin -> The Secret (8/10/2008 9:00:10 AM)
In a world of so many events, sometimes it is good to be reminded of the secret ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j_Vj779yqE

pahunkboy -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 9:52:24 AM)
very nice. THANK you!

NuevaVida -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 10:30:50 AM)
Awesome video! That was a good book which had a positive affect on me and brought me into some great conversations with some really cool people. We can indeed control our thoughts and moods and attract goodness into ourselves. Thanks for sharing that!

Raechard -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 10:44:44 AM)
Nice film but not one scene in it relating to the joys of office work. I know I should have base jumped off a cliff yesterday I'm running a bit behind schedule.

Aneirin -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 10:54:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard Nice film but not one scene in it relating to the joys of office work. I know I should have base jumped off a cliff yesterday I'm running a bit behind schedule. If the, '' Joys of office work '', are not to your liking, only you have the power to change that.

Raechard -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:01:35 AM)
With life comes responsibilities. It's not always within your power to change when you have people who depend on you to stay the same. Nice thought though.

Aneirin -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:06:13 AM)
True, but responsibilities to those dependant on you does not mean you have to endure something that is detrimental to your health in whatever way that manifests. You could look towards another direction or a way out of the office to what is tolerable, even fulfilling to you.

NuevaVida -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:19:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin True, but responsibilities to those dependant on you does not mean you have to endure something that is detrimental to your health in whatever way that manifests. You could look towards another direction or a way out of the office to what is tolerable, even fulfilling to you. It goes back to attitude and willingness. I worked with a woman who hated her office job, so she would bike ride in the evenings and weekends to get her yaya's out and refresh her mind. Another co-worker put together an impressive proposal to allow employees one work day a month of volunteer/community services, and it was approved, and spread like wildfire. Soon office conversation transitioned from how shitty it was there, to what project is everyone working on, and how it is going. Another guy I knew played in a band on weekends. My sister in law worked in convalescent care for a long time and it drained the life out of her, so she began learning pottery, which allowed her to meditate on "life" again. Now she has her own wheel and kiln in her home, moved to a much better job, and is full of life. She brings her pots to the convalescent homes now, and donates them to patients, or donates/sells them for charity. There are ways to turn a mindset around, no matter one's circumstances. I know this from personal experience. If that doesn't convince you, read "Man's Search for Meaning" by Victor Frankl. You just have to want to.

Raechard -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:20:03 AM)
It depends if concerns for your own health come second to those you care about. Some people work their entire lives to ensure their children don't have to do the jobs they did, it brings them little joy only the sense of comfort that the work is meaningful in that respect. Not everyone can better themselves, some will always work for others because of the commitments they have elsewhere, there is 24 hours in the day, 8 to earn a living excluding O/T, 8 to sleep, 8 for everything else you need to do. -2 hours travelling time to work, 6 hours left, 2x30 minutes in the bathroom, 5 hours left I've got to eat -1 hour for that in the evening and 30 minutes in the morning for breakfast, leaving me 3.5 for my benefit. Damn you Eastenders and coronation street you brain murdering scum -1 hours for those. 2.5; just enough time for a pottery class.[:D]

NuevaVida -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:21:32 AM)
Do you work on weekends, too?

Raechard -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:23:02 AM)
Sometimes, if you don't see me here I'm there[:D]

Aneirin -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:28:06 AM)
Raechard, I totally sympathise, for I have been in a similar situation myself and it is perhaps a bit rich for me to suggest you can find a way out if you are not happy, I understand and I know this can be very difficult if not nigh on impossible, So to this all I can say is the best of luck and good health to you.

NuevaVida -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:29:08 AM)
With your 3.5 "free" hours Monday through Friday (equals 17.5 hours) and assuming you work on average one day per weekend, giving you 3.5 "free" hours Saturday and 8 "free" hours Sunday (equals 11.5 hours)....you have an average total of 29 hours per week to do something beneficial for your mind and spirit and attitude. The question is, do you want to?

Raechard -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:30:23 AM)
This isn't about me though; I'm saying some people have made their choices in life and have to stick to them now regardless of if they are happy of not. We all have many choices at the start and fewer as life goes on, that's just the way it is and pretending everyone can live life to the full 100% ignores all those people that are existing to support others and is a bit like saying "It's your fault if you are miserable because you have no gumption or will to change your life." I can spend it all on round the world trips but how am I going to exist when I retire?

Alumbrado -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:34:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin True, but responsibilities to those dependant on you does not mean you have to endure something that is detrimental to your health in whatever way that manifests. You could look towards another direction or a way out of the office to what is tolerable, even fulfilling to you. It goes back to attitude and willingness. I worked with a woman who hated her office job, so she would bike ride in the evenings and weekends to get her yaya's out and refresh her mind. Another co-worker put together an impressive proposal to allow employees one work day a month of volunteer/community services, and it was approved, and spread like wildfire. Soon office conversation transitioned from how shitty it was there, to what project is everyone working on, and how it is going. Another guy I knew played in a band on weekends. My sister in law worked in convalescent care for a long time and it drained the life out of her, so she began learning pottery, which allowed her to meditate on "life" again. Now she has her own wheel and kiln in her home, moved to a much better job, and is full of life. She brings her pots to the convalescent homes now, and donates them to patients, or donates/sells them for charity. There are ways to turn a mindset around, no matter one's circumstances. I know this from personal experience. If that doesn't convince you, read "Man's Search for Meaning" by Victor Frankl. You just have to want to. Frankl didn't say that 'just wanting to' was enough for the concentration camp inhabitants to turn their mindsets around. He specifically noted that once someone has conditioned their mindset to taking the easy way out, for some people it becomes impossible to change, even to save their lives.... particularly when conditions around them go very wrong.

NuevaVida -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:40:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard This isn't about me though; I'm saying some people have made their choices in life and have to stick to them now regardless of if they are happy of not. We all have many choices at the start and fewer as life goes on, that's just the way it is and pretending everyone can live life to the full 100% ignores all those people that are existing to support others and is a bit like saying "It's your fault if you are miserable because you have no gumption or will to change your life." I can spend it all on round the world trips but how am I going to exist when I retire? You're right, this isn't about you, and I apologize for focusing on that. I was just trying to demonstrate that we can find a few hours out of the week to do something that feeds our spirit.

Aneirin -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:44:18 AM)
I don't intend to retire, but keep on going as long as my health will allow. Too many people whom I have known who have worked hard all their life, building up a small business only to retire and die within the next few years. That is not for me for I shall keep going, my own enterprise will ensure that away from the state suggestions of an age when we can all stop working and resign ourselves to the seemingly, unwanted. After having been there and done that with the work situation, I now adopt a more realistic approach to life and favour the everything in moderation approach, meaning that I have a life. Perhaps I am different, as I live cheap, I have no need for many of the fripparies of modern life, the things we all seem not able to live without. Things are just things, I prefer to live. I once heard on the radio about a death on a farm, not a farming incident as such, but an eighty five year old farm machinery mechanic who on the job had a heart attack and fell into the machine he was repairing. To me, what a way to go, useful till the end. What was it, that saying in the film; '' Highlander ''; It is better to burn out than fade away.

NuevaVida -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 11:44:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Frankl didn't say that 'just wanting to' was enough for the concentration camp inhabitants to turn their mindsets around. He specifically noted that once someone has conditioned their mindset to taking the easy way out, for some people it becomes impossible to change, even to save their lives.... particularly when conditions around them go very wrong. True, but he also demonstrated how finding a purpose in doing something fulfilling (for him it was finishing his book) and focusing on that can give a person meaning in life - - enough so to perservere through the most difficult of circumstances, when those without such purpose and conviction could not. While it is true that some people are so conditioned they can not save themselves, this is not a universal truth for everyone, so it would be beneficial, I think, to share that knowledge in the event someone benefits from it.

Raechard -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 12:14:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin I don't intend to retire, but keep on going as long as my health will allow. Too many people whom I have known who have worked hard all their life, building up a small business only to retire and die within the next few years. That is not for me for I shall keep going, my own enterprise will ensure that away from the state suggestions of an age when we can all stop working and resign ourselves to the seemingly, unwanted. That's the problem there isn't it, we are all focused on the joys of retirement and the need to build up our nest egg to get there but retirement is a small proportion of our entire life. We want money for security but not huge sums that we should have spent earlier in life to help us experience life more evenly. I don't know how we get that balance I think society has shifted too far towards total capitalism and people are only useful if they are helping a huge corporation increase it's dividends to shareholders (pensions groups that we let sell us the dream of retirement). In the past people had trades and bartered with people for services they required; they didn't have to worry about financial security because they always had a skill that would get them by. Now people work all their lives in offices and at the end of it the only skills they have is how to fix a paper jam. So instead they must build up a store of financial security that they will depend on when they retire but they lose sight of the fact they are doing something they hate for a dream they could have had anyway their entire lives if only they had skills others needed or wanted to buy from them, an individual rather than a gleaming professional corporation. Don't get a carpenter to make your furniture go to IKEA and save yourself some money which can then go towards your retirement nest egg all the traditional carpenters will just have to work for IKEA in the office doing telephone sales. Think you can be a corgi registered plumber on your own? Most will not trust you because you don't work for Bristish Gas because they have Engineers not Plumbers although they do the same job Centrica sell the occupation better and sell the high standards they set their employees. They would therefore be fools to go it alone and give up that membership card. Some get paid to do the thing they are good at Some get paid to do the thing they enjoy Few get paid to do the thing they are both good at and enjoy.

Alumbrado -> RE: The Secret (8/10/2008 12:20:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Frankl didn't say that 'just wanting to' was enough for the concentration camp inhabitants to turn their mindsets around. He specifically noted that once someone has conditioned their mindset to taking the easy way out, for some people it becomes impossible to change, even to save their lives.... particularly when conditions around them go very wrong. True, but he also demonstrated how finding a purpose in doing something fulfilling (for him it was finishing his book) and focusing on that can give a person meaning in life - - enough so to perservere through the most difficult of circumstances, when those without such purpose and conviction could not. While it is true that some people are so conditioned they can not save themselves, this is not a universal truth for everyone, so it would be beneficial, I think, to share that knowledge in the event someone benefits from it. Agreed, and I agree with the OP that leaving a comfort zone, even a comfort zone one loathes, requires one to act at some point. Not everyone gets to that point, and many people paint themselves into a corner where change becomes effectively impossible...

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