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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 4:37:42 AM

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this article, (or should i say the title of it), seems ridiculous to me. assuming a healthy heart because of thinness is ridiculous. there are things to consider like diet, family history etc. there are no gaurantees with anything. thinness doesn't equate health...thin and fit are not the same things.

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 4:40:55 AM

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Going to any extreme is generally unhealthy. In most if not all things. Too much of a good thing is generally bad, no matter which way one dices it. Take alcohol. Good for various health benefits in small doses, drink a ton all the time and you end up with all sorts of problems. The difficulty is in striking a balance with things.

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 4:41:54 AM

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Ice cream doesn't walk away deeply hurt if you say its flavor is gross.

I think thats the difference, here. I want someone who is capable of having some compassion towards others.

oh i know lol. i was looking for a fairly...innocent example.

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 7:57:21 AM

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there have been definite times that i've wanted to whip out my medical records, but from the reverse of this situation. i'm tired of people telling me that i'm obviously ill or going to get ill when all of my tests show otherwise, just because i'm not a size 2.

if you really don't like me at my present weight, just come out and say it, don't patronize me with 'concerns about my health' when you don't even know me or my health history.

You couldn't be more right. I'm proof: my doc says that I am one of those people who drop dead in their 40s and being thin or not overeating or any of that makes any difference. My last blood pressure reading was 189/120!!!

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 8:09:01 AM

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But isn't this the same as saying, not every smoker will get lung cancer and some non-smokers who've never been around smokers still develop lung cancer? Being ultra skinny when your body isn't made to be that way is as harmful as being ultra heavy, that doesn't take research to figure out. And being overweight (not talking 10-20 lbs here talking seriously so) carries more risks than just heart trouble. For each pound of (over) weight lost, you reduce the pounds of pressure on your knees by three. I have joint issues, this is a huge concern for me. I can stay at my body's ideal weight, which is NOT a size 2 and never should be, and due to family genes I will still have heart issues/blood pressure/what not but by staying in the weight range MY body is made to be in (not some chart's range) I'm not going to cause a cascade of other issues.

And I'm going to disagree that this is the worst time to be overweight that its ever been. As more people in the US (can't speak for other countries I don't live there) slip into the overweight catagory, it has become more accepted. I had friends as a child who were morbidly overweight. I'm talking ten years old and two hundred pounds scary overweight. They were teased as badly as the kids who were just 'husky'. God help you if you were a little plump and wore a shirt that was a bit too tight and you could see a fat roll the adults and the kids would rip you to small shreds. Now, walk through a mall and it's filled with teen girls in skin tight clothes who are way heavier than the poor kids who used to be teased mercilessly. Is it easy? No, being bullied as an adult or child is never easy, but I think it's a bit much to say it's the worst it's ever been as a general statement.

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 8:36:28 AM

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Checking the manual....

How to judge if a woman is attractive or not...

1. Ugliness is only a light switch away.
2. No woman is unattractive when you dick is in her mouth.
3. If the above rules do not apply, drink another 6 pack and reevaluate.

I find women of all shapes and sizes attractive, some I would not consider sleeping with because of obvious (well at least to me) things. Like a woman that is so thin that I know I am going to be black and blue for a week from hitting her pelvic bone, or a woman that I have to search to find the opening because of a few too many channels running horizontally and vertically.

Healthy folks are found in all of the colors of the weight spectrum. No surprise there.

Just my thoughts,
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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 9:37:02 AM

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assuming a healthy heart because of thinness

since most heart diseases are congenital. mine is....

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 9:59:09 AM

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... or a woman that I have to search to find the opening because of a few too many channels running horizontally and vertically ...

Just my thoughts,
Thadius

-giggles-

Just gives you more options. :)

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 10:43:34 AM

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assuming a healthy heart because of thinness

since most heart diseases are congenital. mine is....

I'm inclined to agree that genes are one of the most important elements in a long life, that and luck. My great uncle smoked 40 cigarettes a day for 87 years, spent three years in the trenches in WWI, his house was bombed with him in it in WWII, like his whiskey and had a string of lovers right up to his death at 99. The family doctor joked when he died, I'm not sure which got him, the drink, the cigarettes, the women or old age. Two of my grandparents lived till they were 99, the other two well into their 90s. My father is in his 80s and has a lover younger than me and smokes the same 40 cigarettes a day. I'm hoping my genes win through. There is no guarantee but hey, you only live once, you have to make the most of it.

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 10:52:38 AM

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I wonder how many people consider standards of beauty as a thing separate from pure chemical attraction when forming relationships. I may have no real control over the way my psyche has encoded what visual components I will find attractive sexually, but it is certainly not the end-all-be-all of what I find beautiful. Even health is not really any indicator of either beauty or sexual attraction. I am not one to reject someone simply because they have health problems unless I think those problems will affect me or others I care for adversely enough to make that necessary and while I know such people are out there who would, I doubt they are more than a small minority.

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 10:56:43 AM

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That's a really tough call to make though, don't you think? Whether or not one's health problems will affect you adversely enough to not engage with them?

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 11:45:35 AM

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Ice cream doesn't walk away deeply hurt if you say its flavor is gross.

I think thats the difference, here. I want someone who is capable of having some compassion towards others.

I bite the heads off of gummy bears and goldfish crackers. I have no compassion whatsoever. But I think Thadius does. :-)

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 11:51:26 AM

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Damn, you are going to ruin my reputation...

Now I have to go drown some stuffed animals or something.

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 12:01:53 PM

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Being skinny is no guarantee ...

I stopped worrying about published medical 'breakthroughs' when they decided that amnionic fluid is a carcinogen.

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 12:56:51 PM

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I think thicker girls are sexier... They are WOMEN to me. I mean I dont have issues with thinner girls or anything, but I like a girl with ass and titties HAHA! Being a bigger girl myself I have had many a negative comments on my body. Its rude but whatever they just are miserable. As for my weight and my health, well my weight hasnt affected my health at all really... I have medical issues but not caused by my weight. If some dude thinks Im a fat cow than ok... I know my husband loves my jiggles and thats all thats important to me. Everyone just needs to find the one who loves them for everything that they are, and everything that they arent; atleast thats what I always say. :D

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 1:51:30 PM

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That's a really tough call to make though, don't you think? Whether or not one's health problems will affect you adversely enough to not engage with them?

Hmmm... It is a case-by-case thing. If the condition is contagious or if it leads to erratic bahaviour that might disrupt our lives significantly, those might be a good reason. But someone with say, Diabetes, or Epilepsy, or Chrons Disease or any number of other problems that have an impact on those around them that is relatively limited are certianly not reasonably bad off enough in themselves to avoid involvement. We had a kitten once that died of congenital FIP after we had her only a few months. It was heartbreaking, but had we the chance to do it again, even knowing she would die, we still would have adopted her. No amount of time is enough... it is all too short, but that is no reason to avoid having people in your life. Quality of life over quantity.

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 2:02:04 PM

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You know, I'm a smaller girl and I absolutely hate it when I am approached by men based on the fact that I'm not a "BBW". I understand that people like what they like and so on but I don't think thats any excuse to be hateful about it or make a big deal of it. You can tell me I'm pretty without comparing me to someone else.

Very interesting topic!
This probably will turn into a "fat thread", sorry.
Any thread that talks about weight, etc. usually turns into a
"fat thread" around these parts.

I think being over or under weight {anorexic/rail thin or moderately/morbidly obese} is normally not healthy in the long run for most of us.
I have been 25-30 pounds smaller and 25 pounds heavier, and I feel and function great
right smack in the middle.

In the end, it is about trying to take care of your body and mind, exercising and trying to be as active and healthy as you can, at whatever weight you are.

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 2:25:57 PM

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maxwell, your points on health issues are very well taken by me.

TheEngineer got a stupid the other night and decided to check my blood sugar. it was 550. i already have other health issues that we were waiting on addressing till i was on his insurance, but this just isnt waitable. and so i spent the whole next day sick with stress about it... and he told me he was keeping me anyway. *whew*

some health issues you can do something about. diabetes is one of them. chronic pain is something that just *is* and sometimes not a whole lot you can do about it (the last word for me was possible MS.) its all what you decide you can deal with in your partner, i suppose. and while a few extra pounds of padding are there on me, its genetic predisposition more than anything that put me here. (parents and one grandparent are diabetic, type 2, along with a few cousins.)

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 3:01:29 PM

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Hmmm... It is a case-by-case thing. If the condition is contagious or if it leads to erratic bahaviour that might disrupt our lives significantly, those might be a good reason. But someone with say, Diabetes, or Epilepsy, or Chrons Disease or any number of other problems that have an impact on those around them that is relatively limited are certianly not reasonably bad off enough in themselves to avoid involvement. We had a kitten once that died of congenital FIP after we had her only a few months. It was heartbreaking, but had we the chance to do it again, even knowing she would die, we still would have adopted her. No amount of time is enough... it is all too short, but that is no reason to avoid having people in your life. Quality of life over quantity.

That's very cool...I wonder, though, if the kitty would also choose (were she able) to do it again, knowing how much hurt it caused when she died... would you, if I may ask?

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RE: -Not- another fat thread ... No, really. - 8/13/2008 3:11:08 PM

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By -that- standard, not much of anything actually matters.

I just found it amusing, personally. I've read a lot of the "fat threads" on this forum and the usual suspects always claim that they are NOT shallow and they don't like slender women (its generally targeted at women) because of cosmetic reasons but because a slender woman is a healthy woman.

Yeah, I know ... Dead horse. This is me taking a couple whacks before I move on.

Oh please.....if a guy has the hots for a woman, her health has nothing to do with it. I know guys who would bang an asthmatic leper if she was "hawwwwwwt!"

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