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update UK "violent porn" and police consultation - 8/13/2008 4:59:07 AM   
LadyEllen


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Very busy with work lately, but just prior to going on holiday here is the latest on the legislation and my consultations with the police.

Basically, they're extremely cagey about saying anything about interpretation and application. Their view is that the courts will decide - which I have pointed out is far too late since lives will already be ruined by then if cases are thrown out or not guilty verdicts are returned and lawsuits for compensation will follow in cases where people have been ruined by poor application.

I am pushing it hard to get some sort of response from them which will be of use. I have distilled it all down to two simple questions which shouldnt be too difficult in my opinion!


6) An extreme image is an image of any of the following-
a)     an act which threatens or appears to threaten a person’s life
b)     an act which results in or appears to result (or be likely to result) in serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals
c)    
d)      
 
Where (in each case) any such act, person or ........... depicted in the image is or appears to be real.
 
The questions are;
 
a) in relation to (a) - how proximate and immediate must the threat to life be?
b) in relation to (b) - what is "serious injury" and how will an injury be determined to be "serious" - consistent with common assault? ABH? GBH? other?
 
More as I get it
 
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RE: update UK "violent porn" and police consu... - 8/13/2008 5:17:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Hi All

Very busy with work lately, but just prior to going on holiday here is the latest on the legislation and my consultations with the police.

Basically, they're extremely cagey about saying anything about interpretation and application. Their view is that the courts will decide - which I have pointed out is far too late since lives will already be ruined by then if cases are thrown out or not guilty verdicts are returned and lawsuits for compensation will follow in cases where people have been ruined by poor application.

I am pushing it hard to get some sort of response from them which will be of use. I have distilled it all down to two simple questions which shouldnt be too difficult in my opinion!


6) An extreme image is an image of any of the following-
a)     an act which threatens or appears to threaten a person’s life
b)     an act which results in or appears to result (or be likely to result) in serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals
c)    
d)      
 
Where (in each case) any such act, person or ........... depicted in the image is or appears to be real.
 
The questions are;
 
a) in relation to (a) - how proximate and immediate must the threat to life be?
b) in relation to (b) - what is "serious injury" and how will an injury be determined to be "serious" - consistent with common assault? ABH? GBH? other?
 
More as I get it
 
E

Appears to result in....or appears likely to result in?
wtf does that mean?
OK so thereby everyone with delayed drop (say like a post traumatic stress disorder) approximately five years after the scene gets to make a claim??????
Am i in la-la land here?


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RE: update UK "violent porn" and police consu... - 8/13/2008 5:25:02 AM   
softness


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We need some bloody clarity on these issues, and soon.

But it does mean at least we can all continue happily taking pictures of say .. blunt instrument trauma over the kidneys ... but a pair of nipple clamps is naughty, cos yanno ... you might upset someone.

Go The Government!

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RE: update UK "violent porn" and police consu... - 8/13/2008 5:44:00 AM   
Daddystouch


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Status: offline 		You find this with every bullshit law the Ministry of Fuckwits pumps out. They are always written poorly, not to mention vaguely. This leaves us citizens not knowing what is legal and what is not. How can "ignorance of the law" not be a defence when it is impossible not to be ignorant of the law? Even a lawyer can't tell you what is and isn't illegal until there's a court case with the power to set precedent, and even then there usually remains ambiguity.

Then, neither the government's paramilitary wing nor the bureau (now split in two) that controls it and the legal system (we have a legal system, not a justice system) will tell us what is and is not illegal. To find out, we need to gamble large sums of money and our very freedom. Nobody is willing to do this, so we all end up living in fear of the most opressive interpreation of the law we consider feasible.

It is important, however, to remember that this law (and other laws like it) are not bad because they are poorly written. They are unjust, detrimental and illegitimate laws in and of themselves.

< Message edited by Daddystouch -- 8/13/2008 5:45:00 AM >

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RE: update UK "violent porn" and police consu... - 8/13/2008 6:09:08 AM   
Prinsexx


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ORIGINAL: Daddystouch
How can "ignorance of the law" not be a defence when it is impossible not to be ignorant of the law? Even a lawyer can't tell you what is and isn't illegal until there's a court case with the power to set precedent, and even then there usually remains ambiguity.


I would have to simply plead insanity....which is pretty bloody ironic for a start........or is there any other women out there who like being bitten, bruised and bull-whipped? Oh i geddit my insanity lay in the fact that i thought i was the only one? Now why didn't somebody tell me before they found me in the park pushing all my own bdsm kit around in a Tesco trolley repeating paranoid phrases like; but you don't understand, somebody took picture of me and keeps trying to take me to court????????


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RE: update UK "violent porn" and police consu... - 8/13/2008 6:59:04 AM   
GreedyTop


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I'll be interested to hear if you can get any response. 

Although, my guess is that you'll likely get a bunch of people not wanting to touch it and pointing the next guy saying "I dunno.. ask HIM!"

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RE: update UK "violent porn" and police consu... - 8/13/2008 8:29:19 AM   
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RE: update UK "violent porn" and police consu... - 8/13/2008 3:30:13 PM   
StrongSpirit


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Status: offline 		They write that kind of stuff on purpose.

Honestly, they don't really expect to stop  violent porn.  They know the internet can not stop that kind of thing.

What they want is a weapon to use against people.  As such, they need a law that is generic enough to get as many possible people as they can, but not so generic that a judge will laugh at their stupidity and throw out the law


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